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    Britain to ban sale of all diesel and petrol cars and vans from 2040

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vans-from-2040

    Plans follow French commitment to take polluting vehicles off the road owing to effect of poor air quality on people’s health

    The decision was hailed as the beginning of the end for the internal combustion engine’s dominance of motor transport after more than a century.

    Tuesday 25 July 2017 17.38 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 25 July 2017 18.51 EDT

    As part of a government strategy to improve air quality, Britain is to ban all new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2040 amid fears that rising levels of nitrogen oxide pose a major risk to public health.

    The commitment, which follows a similar pledge in France, is part of the government’s much-anticipated clean air plan, which has been at the heart of a protracted high court legal battle.

    The government warned that the move, which will also take in hybrid vehicles, was needed because of the unnecessary and avoidable impact that poor air quality was having on people’s health. Ministers believe it poses the largest environment risk to public health in the UK, costing up to £2.7bn in lost productivity in one recent year.

    Ministers have been urged to introduce charges for vehicles to enter a series of “clean air zones” (CAZ). However, the government only wants taxes to be considered as a final resort amid a backlash against any move that punishes motorists.

    “Poor air quality is the biggest environmental risk to public health in the UK and this government is determined to take strong action in the shortest time possible,” a government spokesman said.

    “That is why we are providing councils with new funding to accelerate development of local plans, as part of an ambitious £3bn programme to clean up dirty air around our roads.”

    The final plan, which was due by the end of July, comes after a draft report that environmental lawyers described as “much weaker than hoped for”.

    The environment secretary, Michael Gove, will be hoping for a better reception when he publishes the final document on Wednesday following months of legal wrangling.

    A briefing on parts of the plan, seen by the Guardian, repeats the heavy focus on the steps that can be taken to help councils improve air quality in specific areas where emissions have breached EU thresholds.

    Measures to be urgently brought in by local authorities that have repeatedly breached EU rules include retrofitting buses and other public transport, changing road layouts and altering features such as roundabouts and speed humps.

    Reprogramming traffic lights will also be included in local plans, with councils being given £255m to help accelerate their efforts. Local emissions hotspots will be required to layout their plans by March 2018 and finalise them by the end of the year. A targeted scrappage scheme is also expected to be included.

    Some want the country-wide initiative to follow in the footsteps of London, which is introducing a £10 toxic “T-charge” that will be levied on up to 10,000 of the oldest, most polluting vehicles every weekday.

    Sources insisted that while the idea of charges were on the table, there was no plan to force councils to introduce them, and that other measures would be exhausted first.

    They hope the centrepiece of Wednesday’s strategy to be put forward by Gove will be the plan to ban diesel and petrol sales completely by 2040, in line with Emmanuel Macron’s efforts across the Channel.

    The French president took the steps to help his country meet its targets under the Paris climate accord, in an announcement that came a day after Volvo said it would only make fully electric or hybrid cars from 2019 onwards.

    That decision was hailed as the beginning of the end for the internal combustion engine’s dominance of motor transport after more than a century.

    Prof David Bailey, an automotive industry expert at Aston University, said: “The timescale involved here is sufficiently long term to be taken seriously. If enacted it would send a very clear signal to manufacturers and consumers of the direction of travel and may accelerate a transition to electric cars.”

    Britain’s air quality package also includes £1bn in ultra-low emissions vehicles including investing nearly £100m in the UK’s charging infrastructure and funding the Plug in Car and Plug in Grant schemes.

    There will also be £290m for the national productivity investment fund, which will go towards the retrofitting, and money towards low emission taxis.

    The report will also include an air quality grant for councils, a green bus fund for low carbon vehicles, £1.2bn for cycling and walking and £100m to help air quality on the roads.

    The strategy comes amid warnings that the UK’s high level of air pollution could be be responsible for 40,000 premature deaths a year.

    A judge had said the government’s original plans on tackling the issue, which included five clean air zones, were so poor as to be unlawful. The government had been asked to present a new draft policy to tackle air pollution from diesel traffic before the election.

    The government was then called to court to explain why it had made a last-minute application late last Friday to delay publication of a draft policy to tackle air pollution until after the election.

    James Eadie QC, representing the government, said the policy was ready to be published but it would be controversial and should therefore be withheld until after the election.

    “If you publish a draft plan, it drops all the issues of controversy into the election … like dropping a controversial bomb,” he said, adding that it could risk breaching rules about civil service neutrality and lead to the policy being labelled a Tory plan.

    However, judges said the government did have to publish a draft plan with the final version needed by the end of July.

    May’s draft contained few concrete proposals and did not specify the cities and towns where polluting vehicles might face charges, the level of any charges or the scope or value of any scrappage scheme.

    Instead, the plan puts the onus for action on local authorities: “Local authorities are already responsible for improving air quality in their area, but will now be expected to develop new and creative solutions to reduce emissions as quickly as possible, while avoiding undue impact on the motorist.”

    Analysis in the documents showed increasing the number of CAZs from the current six planned to 27 would make by far the greatest impact in cutting pollution and provide cost benefits of over £1bn. The CAZ policy would cut more than 1,000 times more NO2 than a scrappage scheme, even if that scheme required old diesels to be replaced by electric cars.

    But it required local authorities to exhaust all other options before introducing CAZ charging for diesel vehicles such as removing speed bumps and retrofitting buses.

    At the time Thornton said: “The plan looks much weaker than we had hoped for. The court ordered the government to take this public health issue seriously and while the government says that pollution is the largest environmental risk to public health, we will still be faced with illegal air quality for years to come under these proposals.”

    The coalition government had already set out a vision for almost every car and van to be ultra-low emission by 2050 – a move which the government acknowledged would require “almost all new cars and vans sold to be near-zero emission at the tailpipe by 2040”. So it is unclear to what extent the new pledge will further boost Britain’s ability to achieve air quality requirements.

    ClientEarth, the campaign group that has successfully pursued the government through the courts over the UK’s air pollution crisis, gave a cautious welcome to the announcement but said ministers must take action now to tackle the UK’s air pollution crisis.

    “The government has trumpeted some promising measures with its air quality plans, but we need to see the detail,” said CEO James Thornton. “A clear policy to move people towards cleaner vehicles by banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars and vans after 2040 is welcome, as is more funding for local authorities.

    “However, the law says ministers must bring down illegal levels of air pollution as soon as possible, so any measures announced in this plan must be focused on doing that.”

    London mayor Sadiq Khan has been calling for tougher measures to tackle air pollution which kills 9,000 people a year in the capital.

    A City Hall source was sceptical about the government’s announcement.”We need to look at the full details but what Londoners suffering from the terrible health impacts of air pollution desperately need is a fully-funded diesel scrappage fund – and they need it right now.”

    Areeba Hamid, clean air campaigner at Greenpeace, said: “The high court was clear that the government must bring down toxic air pollution in the UK in the shortest possible time. This plan is still miles away from that.

    The government cannot shy away any longer from the issue of diesel cars clogging up and polluting our cities, and must now provide real solutions, not just gimmicks. That means proper clean air zones and funding to support local authorities to tackle illegal and unsafe pollution.”
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-25-2017 at 06:58 PM.
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    Well , that should fix that low unemployment problem they have in UK .
    Do something Danke

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    He has expressed his view that the state should generally not interfere in domestic affairs and attests to have campaigned for economic freedom in certain matters. Gove has argued that "the only sustainable ethical foundation for society is a belief in the innate worth and dignity of every individual."
    Except when it comes to how people wish to move around.

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    Told you all so...and some folks laughed five, ten years ago when I said this was coming.

    This future world will be hell on earth, and individual liberty will be as dead as Julius Caesar.

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    The current regime will not last long enough to enforce this, reality is already nipping at their heels. (that goes for the whole world)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Told you all so...and some folks laughed five, ten years ago when I said this was coming.

    This future world will be hell on earth, and individual liberty will be as dead as Julius Caesar.
    That may be true but at least our last breath will be clean air. Hip Hip Hooray!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Except when it comes to how people wish to move around.
    Double entendre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Well , that should fix that low unemployment problem they have in UK .
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Except when it comes to how people wish to move around.


    No, wait, I'm wrong...

    Last edited by phill4paul; 07-25-2017 at 11:10 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Except when it comes to how people wish to move around.
    Told you so.

    They will not stop until we are all riding Comrade Mao bicycles and living in 400 square foot stack a prole boxes and living on Soylent green.

    Then they will kill us.

    Keep in mind, the numbers that are thrown around by the green fascists are all bull$#@!.

    The causal link to any of these is tenuous at best, non existent at worst.

    They massage the numbers in the same way the anti smoking fascists do: you smoked thirty five years ago? Oh, that's what caused your heart attack.



    Electric cars are not the answer to air pollution, says top UK adviser

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...of-frank-kelly

    Friday 4 August 2017 07.10 EDT

    Last modified on Friday 4 August 2017 17.39 EDT

    Cars must be driven out of cities to tackle the UK’s air pollution crisis, not just replaced with electric vehicles, according to the UK government’s top adviser.

    Prof Frank Kelly said that while electric vehicles emit no exhaust fumes, they still produce large amounts of tiny pollution particles from brake and tyre dust, for which the government already accepts there is no safe limit.

    Toxic air causes 40,000 early deaths a year in the UK, and the environment secretary, Michael Gove, recently announced that the sale of new diesel and petrol cars will be banned from 2040, with only electric vehicles available after that. But faced with rising anger from some motorists, the plan made the use of charges to deter dirty diesel cars from polluted areas a measure of last resort only.

    Kelly’s intervention heightens the government’s dilemma between protecting public health and avoiding politically difficult charges or bans on urban motorists. “The government’s plan does not go nearly far enough,” said Kelly, professor of environmental health at King’s College London and chair of the Committee on the Medical Effects of Air Pollutants, official expert advisers to the government. “Our cities need fewer cars, not just cleaner cars.”

    Ministers were forced to produce an air pollution plan after being sued twice in the courts over illegal levels, but it was criticised as “woefully inadequate” and “lacking urgency” by city leaders and “inexcusable” by leading doctors. The government’s own research showed the fastest and most cost-effective measure to cut the nitrogen dioxide (NO2) pollution largely caused by diesel engines is to charge dirty cars to enter urban areas.

    Electric vehicles emit no NO2 but do produce small particle pollution from the wear on brake discs and tyres and by throwing up dust from roads. A recent European commission research paper found that about half of all particulate matter comes from these sources.

    Swapping cars for bikes, not diesel for electric, is the best route to clean air


    “While governments don’t currently pay much attention to particulate matter, it is in fact highly polluting, with strong links to cardiopulmonary toxicity,” said Kelly in an article in the Guardian.

    The Royal College of Physicians estimates that 29,000 people die early each year from particle pollution, more than the 23,500 premature deaths attributed to NO2. The combined total is 40,000 because some people are harmed by both pollutants. NO2 levels are illegally high in most urban areas, allowing legal action to be taken, but small particle levels are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    for which the government already accepts there is no safe limit.
    If you build your theory on a false premise you are doomed.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you build your theory on a false premise you are doomed.
    Dust.

    That is what they are talking about.

    No safe limit for dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Dust.

    That is what they are talking about.

    No safe limit for dust.
    But it is special MAGIC dust that the filtration and repair systems of the human body can't deal with.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    But it is special MAGIC dust that the filtration and repair systems of the human body can't deal with.
    Actually, that stuff is pretty nasty and far more of a concern to me than tailpipe emissions.

    It's not like we can't come up with a better tech that solves the dust problem though.

    Consumables are the bread and butter however I imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    Actually, that stuff is pretty nasty and far more of a concern to me than tailpipe emissions.

    It's not like we can't come up with a better tech that solves the dust problem though.

    Consumables are the bread and butter however I imagine.
    If there was "No safe limit" we would all be dead by now.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If there was "No safe limit" we would all be dead by now.
    If there was an option for "dustless pads" that worked as well I would buy em simply because I save a decent amount of money by working on my own vehicles. And yes, the less brake dust I breathe the better.

    I guess I do have a dustless brake in my exhaust brake, way less dust accumulation too...

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    The end of the ICE car is in sight, worldwide.

    Not because of market forces or what people want, but by government fatwa and eco jihadism.


    China plans to ban cars that run on gasoline or diesel

    http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...911-story.html

    China plans to eventually ban vehicles powered by traditional fuels, such as gasoline and diesel, as the country looks to cast itself as a global leader of environmental initiatives and possibly become an auto-export powerhouse.

    Xin Guobin, vice minister of industry and information technology, offered no clear timeline when he announced the plan over the weekend at a forum in the eastern port city of Tianjin. But he said the ban would greatly affect the environment and development of China’s homegrown auto industry, according to the state-run New China News Agency.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping has become one of the most vocal advocates for the Paris accord, a 2016 global climate change initiative championed by President Obama. President Trump withdrew the U.S. from the deal this year.

    China — which is the biggest investor in renewable energy, even as it’s still the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases — has vowed to cap its carbon emissions by 2030. The streets of Taiyuan, a manufacturing city in the heart of China’s coal country, already are filled with electric taxis.

    California Gov. Jerry Brown, on a visit to China in June, rallied officials in private meetings and public events to focus on electric vehicles.

    California aims to put 4 million to 5 million electric cars on the road by 2030, Brown said at a green tech event in Nanjing. “We aren’t going to get there until Chinese businesspeople, Chinese government leaders make it a priority to develop batteries and electric cars,” he said.

    China, already the world’s largest car market, aims for annual sales of “new energy vehicles” — a category that includes electric, hybrid and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles — to reach 7 million by 2025.

    Some other countries have already announced bans similar to the one China is planning.

    In July, Britain said it would ban the sale of new gasoline- and diesel-powered vehicles beginning in 2040, though hybrids will still be allowed. France has said the same. India has the audacious goal of replacing or retrofitting all vehicles that have internal combustion engines by 2030. Mayors of cities including Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens have said they plan to ban diesel vehicles from their cities by 2025.



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    As part of a government strategy to improve air quality, Britain is to ban all new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2040 amid fears that rising levels of nitrogen oxide pose a major risk to public health.
    That would make perfect sense for a make-believe-government that has already solved so many problems and has never hurt a soul.
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