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  1. #61
    "Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular."

    --Thomas Jefferson to Hugh White, 1801. ME 10:258
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If I walk across a line on a map to seek a job or to try to sell you something or to buy something from you, am I invading? Or do I need to have a gun?
    When 20 million foreigners walk across that line and stay here, and breed like rats at the expense of American taxpaying Citizens, every thinking person would say that is an invasion which our federal government is charged with protecting us against.



    JWK


    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    When 20 million foreigners walk across that line and stay here, and breed like rats at the expense of American taxpaying Citizens, every thinking person would say that is an invasion which our federal government is charged with protecting us against.



    JWK
    So let's get 20 million more police and military (More government! Yay!!!) and search every house and every business and check the papers of every citizen and non- citizen until we find every last one of them! Then Liberty will be restored (or lost)! What did you say your address was? PS- we will need to increase your taxes to pay for it all.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So let's get 20 million more police and military (More government! Yay!!!) and search every house and every business and check the papers of every citizen and non- citizen until we find every last one of them! Then Liberty will be restored (or lost)! What did you say your address was? PS- we will need to increase your taxes to pay for it all.
    Or we can have a proportional response.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Here's an article that argues that the federal government's power over immigration is based on the Law of Nations Clause in Article I, Section 8, Clause 10:

    https://i2i.org/where-congresss-powe...on-comes-from/

    https://www.constitution.org/cmt/law_of_nations.htm

    The meaning of "Offenses against the Law of Nations"

    Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 10 of the Constitution for the United States delegates the power to Congress to "define and punish ... Offenses against the Law of Nations". It is important to understand what is and is not included in the term of art "law of nations", and not confuse it with "international law". They are not the same thing. The phrase "law of nations" is a direct translation of the Latin jus gentium, which means the underlying principles of right and justice among nations, and during the founding era was not considered the same as the "laws", that is, the body of treaties and conventions between nations, the jus inter gentes, which, combined with jus gentium, comprise the field of "international law". The distinction goes back to ancient Roman Law.

    Briefly, the Law of Nations at the point of ratification in 1788 included the following general elements, taken from Blackstone's Commentaries, and prosecution of those who might violate them:

    (1) No attacks on foreign nations, their citizens, or shipping, without either a declaration of war or letters of marque and reprisal.

    (2) Honoring of the flag of truce, peace treaties, and boundary treaties. No entry across national borders without permission of national authorities.

    (3) Protection of wrecked ships, their passengers and crew, and their cargo, from depredation by those who might find them.

    (4) Prosecution of piracy by whomever might be able to capture the pirates, even if those making the capture or their nations had not been victims.

    (5) Care and decent treatment of prisoners of war.

    (6) Protection of foreign embassies, ambassadors, and diplomats, and of foreign ships and their passengers, crew, and cargo while in domestic waters or in port.

    (7) Honoring of extradition treaties for criminals who committed crimes in a nation with whom one has such a treaty who escape to one's territory or are found on the high seas established with all nations in 1788,

    (8) Prohibition of enslavement of foreign nationals and international trading in slaves.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Or we can have a proportional response.
    Are you suggesting even more police state? Or is the problem not that bad?

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Are you suggesting even more police state? Or is the problem not that bad?
    What do you think?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What do you think?
    More government! Yay!

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    More government! Yay!
    Of course YOU think that.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Of course YOU think that.
    I did not think you would say it was the other option- that the problem wasn't that bad. Since you want more security at the border you favor more government spending.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-17-2018 at 11:39 AM.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I did not think you would say it was the other option- that the problem wasn't that bad.
    It isn't bad enough to nuke Mexico either but that doesn't mean it isn't very bad.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Seems to me, somebody has been blurring the line between immigration and illegal immigration.

    So often, folks like to omit the illegal part of the later and call it all immigration.

    One is like inviting someone to live with us and the other is just letting someone who broke in to live with us.
    BINGO.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    BINGO.
    Most of those presently here illegally came legally. Should we search every business and household to try to find them and kick them out? Maybe we could get some sort of national biometric ID card to root out the ones using fake IDs. Papers please!

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Most of those presently here illegally came legally. Should we search every business and household to try to find them and kick them out? Maybe we could get some sort of national biometric ID card to root out the ones using fake IDs. Papers please!
    Your point, atop your histrionic head notwithstanding, is taken.

    Were the world different, I'd be on board. It's not. Welfare states attract vermin. Powerful, wealthy lands in conflict with other nations, rightly or otherwise, are vulnerable through borders. If one is serious about defense against malefactors coming across those borders, then he must control them. These are just two of the $#@!ty realities of a world infested with insane people. Half the world would like to eat us. Maybe we deserve that sentiment, maybe not. We either defend against those who would damage us or we lay down. That is the positive reality we face. Which would you rather?
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Your point, atop your histrionic head notwithstanding, is taken.

    Were the world different, I'd be on board. It's not. Welfare states attract vermin. Powerful, wealthy lands in conflict with other nations, rightly or otherwise, are vulnerable through borders. If one is serious about defense against malefactors coming across those borders, then he must control them. These are just two of the $#@!ty realities of a world infested with insane people. Half the world would like to eat us. Maybe we deserve that sentiment, maybe not. We either defend against those who would damage us or we lay down. That is the positive reality we face. Which would you rather?
    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Federal forms of welfare- like food stamps, Medicare, and Social Security. Legal immigrants are prohibited for their first five years in the country. It is less of a draw than the opportunity to make a better life is.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Are you suggesting even more police state?
    There is a fundamental difference between defense of the realm and police state, just as there is one between killing in self defense and murder. The acts are superficially indistinguishable, one from the other. But context is king. I shoot the ghost from a man entering my home, uninvited, at 2 AM and I am golden. I shoot the ghost from a man, take his wallet, car keys, and drive off with his Aston Martin, chances are I'm a murderer.

    I believe a "proportional response" was called for, not "more police state". You do this sort of strawman-ish thing a lot, leaving me wondering what is the deal.

    Or is the problem not that bad?
    The "problem" is plenty bad, but I don't think it is nearly what you seem to think it is.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Federal forms of welfare- like food stamps, Medicare, and Social Security. Legal immigrants are prohibited for their first five years in the country. It is less of a draw than the opportunity to make a better life is.
    People cheat and "refugees" get welfare immediately.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Most of those presently here illegally came legally. Should we search every business and household to try to find them and kick them out? Maybe we could get some sort of national biometric ID card to root out the ones using fake IDs. Papers please!
    We don't have to turn into a police state to have enough enforcement to minimize the problem.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    There is a fundamental difference between defense of the realm and police state, just as there is one between killing in self defense and murder. The acts are superficially indistinguishable, one from the other. But context is king. I shoot the ghost from a man entering my home, uninvited, at 2 AM and I am golden. I shoot the ghost from a man, take his wallet, car keys, and drive off with his Aston Martin, chances are I'm a murderer.

    I believe a "proportional response" was called for, not "more police state". You do this sort of strawman-ish thing a lot, leaving me wondering what is the deal.



    The "problem" is plenty bad, but I don't think it is nearly what you seem to think it is.
    I live in a large border city with many immigrants and the busiest border crossing in the world.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb...forum-20120201

    "I believe Hispanics have been used as scapegoats, to say, they're the problem instead of being a symptom maybe of a problem with the welfare state," Paul told the group. "In Nazi Germany they had to have scapegoats to blame and they turned on the Jews.

    "Now there's a lot of antagonism and resentment turned just automatically on immigrants," he continued. "You say, no not immigrants, it's just illegal immigrants. I do believe in legal immigration. I want to have a provision to obey those laws. You have to understand this in the context of the economy."

    Paul said he's not one of those politicians who believes that "barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems." That's not, he said, the American way. And he doesn't think that a national identification card is the way to go.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I live in a large border city with many immigrants and the busiest border crossing in the world.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb...forum-20120201
    OK, so quoting LA Time is even less credible that NY Times, much less The Enquirer, so you lose point on that bit.

    There are valid reasons for defending a border. Those who cannot or do not acknowledge this are either bereft of sufficient intellect or have unpublished agenda items.

    Rumor has it there are 100K Chinese troops camped in the mountains of MX. I have no idea whether this is true, but if we assume so for entertainment purposes, were tens of thousands of Chinese to begin pouring across the MX border, would you assert that we should simply allow them to pass, unchallenged? Serious question to which I would like an actual answer and not some deflection. Give it a whirl.
    Last edited by osan; 11-14-2018 at 01:50 AM.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    OK, so quoting LA Time is even less credible that NY Times, much less The Enquirer, so you lose point on that bit.

    There are valid reasons for defending a border. Those who cannot or do not acknowledge this are either bereft of sufficient intellect or have unpublished agenda items.

    Rumor has it there are 100K Chinese troops camped in the mountains of MX. I have no idea whether this is true, but if we assume so for entertainment purposes, were tens of thousands of Chinese to begin pouring across the MX border, would you assert that we should simply allow them to pass, unchallenged? Serious question to which I would like an actual answer and not some deflection. Give it a whirl.
    Forget the Chinese. We already have middle-easterners crossing. From Yemen specifically. The country we are supporting the Sauds bombing the $#@! out of.

    Jordanian Man Arrested for Smuggling Illegal Aliens From Yemen Across the U.S.-Mexico Border

    The Department of Justice announced Monday afternoon a Jordanian national has been arrested after allegedly smuggling a number of special interest illegal aliens from Yemen into the United States through the southern border with Mexico. Special interest aliens come from countries with ties to terrorism and pose a significant risk to the safety of Americans.

    Moayad Heider Mohammad Aldairi, who lives in Mexico, was arrested at JFK airport in New York. Aldairi is accused of being paid in 2017 to work as a human smuggler and trafficking six illegal aliens into the U.S. through Texas. Accrording to prosecutors, Aldairi worked with others on the scheme.

    “Aldairi allegedly smuggled six Yemeni citizens across the Mexican border and into the United States,” Assistant Attorney General Benczkowski released in a statement. “Alien smuggling puts our national security at risk, and the Criminal Division is dedicated to enforcing our immigration laws and disrupting the flow of illegal aliens into the United States.”
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...order-n2505382

    Now, had these Yemeni caused some real civilian destruction in a shopping mall or amusement park I wonder if the open borders crowd would just shrug and say "We'll, that's the cost of freedom of travel."

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    OK, so quoting LA Time is even less credible that NY Times, much less The Enquirer, so you lose point on that bit.

    There are valid reasons for defending a border. Those who cannot or do not acknowledge this are either bereft of sufficient intellect or have unpublished agenda items.

    Rumor has it there are 100K Chinese troops camped in the mountains of MX. I have no idea whether this is true, but if we assume so for entertainment purposes, were tens of thousands of Chinese to begin pouring across the MX border, would you assert that we should simply allow them to pass, unchallenged? Serious question to which I would like an actual answer and not some deflection. Give it a whirl.
    The quote was Ron Paul. I can find other publications quoting it if you like. Tens of thousands of armed people are not the same as a handful of unarmed people looking for a better life (and I do not say we should allow all of them in- just that they are getting a very disproportional fear to any threat they actually pose).

    We do need to be afraid of somebody I suppose. Politicians say we do and they promise to protect us from those if you vote for them. Fear is a very good motivator- works much better than logic. I notice Trump has been pretty quiet on the topic since the election ended. On the campaign trail it was his #1 topic. I wonder why he doesn't talk about it much now. Perhaps it was less urgent than he tried to make it seem. He doesn't have to scare the voters anymore.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-14-2018 at 01:03 PM.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The quote was Ron Paul. I can find other publications quoting it if you like. Tens of thousands of armed people are not the same as a handful of unarmed people looking for a better life (and I do not say we should allow all of them in- just that they are getting a very disproportional fear to any threat they actually pose).

    We do need to be afraid of somebody I suppose. Politicians say we do and they promise to protect us from those if you vote for them. Fear is a very good motivator- works much better than logic. I notice Trump has been pretty quiet on the topic since the election ended. On the campaign trail it was his #1 topic. I wonder why he doesn't talk about it much now. Perhaps it was less urgent than he tried to make it seem. He doesn't have to scare the voters anymore.
    A constant trickle of invaders is actually more deadly than a single army, if they came all at once or in a few large groups we would never have let 20+ Million of them in and nobody would be agitating to give them amnesty.

    The caravans are a gamble to see if we have grown so stupid that they can start coming in ever larger numbers but they are failing because the large groups are waking people up to the threat.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The quote was Ron Paul.
    I don't care if it was said by Jesus, hopping up and down with his hair on fire. I respect Dr Paul much. That doesn't mean I fall on my face, wailing "all HAIL!" every time his name is mentioned. I reserve that for Peter Ross. Look him up.

    Tens of thousands of armed people are not the same as...
    Pity's sake man, use your imagination... those men would likely cross unarmed, pieemeal, only to be rearmed on OUR side of the border. THINK, then type.

    Weaponry could be easily arranged on the US side. The weapons are not the primary concern, but rather the TRAINING and objectives pursuant to which said training has been undertaken.

    ...a handful of unarmed people looking for a better life
    You're calling 10K people a handful? Shirley you jest.

    MX has offered them asylum. They have mostly refused. If a better life, free from whatever oppressions they purport to flee, has been made available and yet they refuse, I can only conclude that they are not nearly so dire of circumstance as someone, somewhere, is claiming. When my parents came across the Austrian border, fleeing the Soviets and Hungarian secret police, they didn't make a fuss when they were placed in a refugee camp outside of Innsbruck. They kissed the ground on which they trod, thankful to be free of the forces that would have seen them imprisoned or murdered. I was there, though yet unborn, so you can say that I am a first hand witness to what it means to be an actual and true refugee of things that merit one's flight.

    Now consider you this, Oh Juan!, and I suspect you've missed it: pray you tell us how, out of nowhere and so all of a suddenly, do ten thousands of people just come together by "coincidence" and decide to march their ways to America? For one thing, there has been no news from their corner of the world indicating anything extraordinary is afoot there, politically speaking. So the first question you should be asking yourself is "why?", or more particularly, "why NOW?" Seriously now, ask yourself that question with the expectation of an answer.

    Now, having been intimately involved with statistics for about three millions of years, I have developed a fair to middling sense of the statistical nature of many things, including most of all, human behavior, which for the most part is almost perfectly predictable along certain lines of consideration. Among those lines would be events such as that which we now see, ambling its way up the MX penninsula toward America the Beautiful.

    Generally speaking, you can't get six people to agree on where to eat lunch. How did ten thousand people agree to come to America all at once? I cannot say how it has come to be, but I can tell you without equivocation how it didn't: by mere chance or circumstance. Unless every news outlet on the planet is remaining silent WRT some major political upheaval in Guatemala, Honduras, or both, there is nothing going on in those places worthy of note. No mass incarcerations, disappearances, or what have you. Life appears as normal. Therefore, it would appear that the sudden congealing of ten thousand souls on the road to the USA represents a fourth-sigma statistical freak show occurrence. So sorry pal, but that dog don't hunt; not for a second.

    That means that those folks have been incentivized by other means. THERE is your $64 question. Who would endeavor to make it worthwhile to ten thousand people to WALK all the way the hell from Honduras to the US border? What would be the payoff for them? Those are the questions that you should be asking yourself, if you are honest and diligent pursuant to knowing the truth.

    There are several credible possibilities, but one that stands out to me is that of setting a precedent. Consider for a moment how this little human caravan resembles those that cross Europe from the Middle East. This one is far smaller, but that is an irrelevant detail, because what counts is the aforementioned precedent. Once we officially say "OK, what the hell, you can come in without any scrutiny", which is precisely that the "left" wants, the flood gates will then have to remain open in perpetuity, effectively eliminating the national boundaries of the United States. Once opened, it will be nearly impossible to close them again without the concurrence of the international "community". Why? Because that is how things like this roll these days. It has been what, nearly three years since Brexit, and UK is still bound to the EU, and that after having gone through the proper formalities. There are no defined formalities for the American situation, meaning that the world can make noises from the point of closing our borders until the sun goes nova. The troubles it would cause stand to be enormous, and that alone is all the reason we need to make sure the precedent is never set. I am, in fact, rather surprised that Obama was not called to face this caravan, as I am pretty confident he would have laid down and opened his legs as he has done so many times in the past. My only explanation is that Trump was truly unanticipated by Themme and perhaps it had been planned to have Hillary do the honors. Being white and born in America, the same objections that would have been raised with Obama's having done so could not be raised with Clinton. It's the only thing that makes sense to me, anyhow.

    (and I do not say we should allow all of them in- just that they are getting a very disproportional fear to any threat they actually pose).
    THEY are not the actual threat, but rather the precedent, particularly given that the "left" wants every one of them admitted without challenge, including José Rosa Miguel Vaya Con Dios Marisol Duarte Nosotros Tenemos Las Ebolas Santiago Rodriguez who, as his majestic name suggests, is carrying hemorrhagic fever. For the idiots who compose the so-called "left", it's all good to let them in and RAYcis to turn away even a single soul, though he carry one of several forms of deadly contagion.

    The loss of sovereignty, such as it may be, is the threat pal, not ten thousands of people of questionable motive and integrity. Loss of effective sovereignty, even if only in a comparatively small nibble, is the threat America faces through the loss of our prerogatives to decide who comes in and who remains at the door. Screw that noise.

    I would also point out that if the abstract constructs of nationality can be defeated in this manner, then so can the more tangible ones of individual claims. Giving in to the demands of those who would see America destroyed, whether through direct and intentional malice or simply the ill results of well intended ignorance, is potentially tantamount to renouncing the individual's fundamental rights. It is a VERY short step from "nation" to "individual" in this instance. You and the rest of the people here who are so eager to dismantle "the state" from one minute to the next, need to take a moment to step back and reconsider the practical implications of your lust. I am 100% in favor of autodiathism, the central column upon which anarchy rests. But it is not even remotely possible to achieve such an enlightened state of existence from out current fare through sudden means, barring a reset event, which puts all bets off.

    The world is hella pooched at this time, the minds of most men poisoned with the most deeply toxic fallacies and lies imaginable. One doesn't just come to clarity from one second to the next - not often anyhow. Therefore, the only means of getting to a better state of mind comes only with time and an implacable determination that drives constant pressure in a given direction. We see this today with the "left". They have been at it for 100 years and have done a fabulous job of corrupting each new generation. Unless they really blow it big time, those coming up as toddlers today will be so corrupted with false beliefs - those that destroy rather than affirm life - that we the old farts will not recognize them as human and will therefore be glad to shed our respective coils in escape from the bowels of this monster some of us refer to as the "prison planet".

    Make no mistake - the "left" is going to win almost certainly. Why? Because they have entropy on their side, especially that of attitude. Why work diligently when the man over there, the authority, tells me it's OK to be slacker? And is it not ever so easy to accept those as authorities who tell us the things that we think will make us happy? Something for nothing. No need to work. Don't worry, be happy. Oh $#@! IT. Time to get laid... and so on down the line?

    Let us also not forget the Brain, whose goal is to take over the world. The Brain no longer denies this objective publicly, but trumpets it proudly enough to the deaf ears of a public not wanting to hear, or no longer caring. Pursuant to that goal is the necessary step of the dissolution of independent sovereign states, not to mention the mongrelization of their populations pursuant to the destruction of the respective national cultures and with that, the identities of a people AS a people, thereby weakening the whole to the point it no longer exists effectively as such, but is nothing more than a conglomeration of individuals with no real sense of identity, thereby rendering the mass eminently and easily manipulable.


    We do need to be afraid of somebody I suppose. Politicians say we do and they promise to protect us from those if you vote for them.
    This is a valid point, but it cuts all ways, which you have failed to acknowledge. Bad Juan. Bad, BAD Juan. No soup for you!

    Similarly, spouting what you have spewed here can also mislead people into a false sense of "don't worry, be happy".

    FAIL

    Fear is a very good motivator- works much better than logic.
    True, and it is often valid. Other times, it is not. Here you are attempting to imply the latter when in fact it is likely you have no idea whether it is so.

    The likely case is that none of us know the deeper truths. I am certain we are being manipulated by all sides, but the questions of degree, motivation, and who is telling the greater net truth remains occluded. Therefore, your post fails the smell test every bit as much as do those items of which you have written here.

    But one thing I feel is nearly certain: our national identity, right or wrong, is being challenged in a most deep manner with this little inorganic stunt. Once gone, it will not be returning any time soon. Curse nationalism if it pleases you, but it is not inherently evil, but only when taken too far, which is admittedly often the case. But just because the bathwater has gone fetid with too many bodies in it, one does not toss the infant out the window along with it, eh?

    Simplistic solutions are no solutions at all.



    ETA: Whence the sustenance of these intrepid caravaners? Water? Food? Showers? Etc.? My understanding is that they are po' folk sans pot in which to pee. So how, then, are they surviving for months as they trek across the desert and through the grim Sonora to America? SOMEONE is paying for their provisions. One doesn't carry months worth of provisions on their backs for five seconds, much less months, while trudging ever northward.

    So who, exactly, is footing this bill? Oh, and why, if these people are so abused, do so many of them have cell phones? Whence the funding for months of continued cell service? Or have AT&T and Verizon gone soft?

    Questions. Many many questions, and no clear answers.

    Your apparent position on this matter, it would seem, needs much reconsideration.
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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    "[N]o endeavor should be spared to detect and suppress (the immigrant who would cause) the fraudulent usurpation of our flag; an abuse which brings so much embarrassment and loss on the genuine citizen, and so much danger to the nation of being involved in war" - "The Writings of Thomas Jefferson," Volume 3, p. 338

    To parse Jefferson's 19th century legalese here:

    "The government should spare no expense to prohibit immigrants would turn the country upside down, promote internal warfare and cause damage to the native citizens."
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    I have taken the term of four millions and a half of inhabitants for example's sake only. Yet I am persuaded it is a greater number than the country spoken of, considering how much inarrable land it contains, can clothe and feed, without a material change in the quality of their diet. But are there no inconveniences to be thrown into the scale against the advantage expected from a multiplication of numbers by the importation of foreigners? It is for the happiness of those united in society to harmonize as much as possible in matters which they must of necessity transact together. Civil government being the sole object of forming societies, its administration must be conducted by common consent. Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours perhaps are more peculiar than those of any other in the universe. It is a composition of the freest principles of the English constitution, with others derived from natural right and natural reason. To these nothing can be more opposed than the maxims of absolute monarchies. Yet, from such, we are to expect the greatest number of emigrants. They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass. I may appeal to experience, during the present contest, for a verification of these conjectures. But, if they be not certain in event, are they not possible, are they not probable? Is it not safer to wait with patience 27 years and three months longer, for the attainment of any degree of population desired, or expected? May not our government be more homogeneous, more peaceable, more durable? Suppose 20 millions of republican Americans thrown all of a sudden into France, what would be the condition of that kingdom? If it would be more turbulent, less happy, less strong, we may believe that the addition of half a million of foreigners to our present numbers would produce a similar effect here. If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements. I mean not that these doubts should be extended to the importation of useful artificers. The policy of that measure depends on very different considerations. Spare no expence in obtaining them. They will after a while go to the plough and the hoe; but, in the mean time, they will teach us something we do not know. It is not so in agriculture. The indifferent state of that among us does not proceed from a want of knowledge merely; it is from our having such quantities of land to waste as we please. In Europe the object is to make the most of their land, labour being abundant: here it is to make the most of our labour, land being abundant.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    The Posse Comitatus Act does not prohibit US Military on our borders.


    US Military is allowed as authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress
    This is from Carlton Meyer’s new book: The Spectrum of Future Warfare.
    http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm
    Myth #1 The US Constitution prohibits posting US troops on the border.
    The US Constitution says no such thing. In fact, Article IV states:
    Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
    So the US Constitution clearly requires the federal government to protect states from invasion. Almost a million aliens illegally pouring across the border into states each year is clearly an invasion.
    Myth #2 The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits US troops from guarding US borders.
    This 1878 act was enacted to prevent Union troops from continuing to enforce federal laws in the defeated South after the American Civil war. Here is the text as modified by Congress in recent years:
    Sec. 1385. – Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
    Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
    Guarding US borders from foreign invasion is not “law enforcement.”
    The US Army exists to defend the US from foreign invasion, which is expressly authorized by the US Constitution. Guarding the Mexican border was the Army’s primary peacetime mission until 1940, and no one ever declared this was in violation of this 1878 act. The US Border Patrol wasn’t even formed until 1924, so claiming the intent of this law was to prevent US Army troops from guarding the border is absurd. The map at left shows US Army forts in Texas in the late 1880s when the entire US Army had fewer than 40,000 soldiers; it has 500,000 today. Clearly, defending the US border was a primary mission of the US Army for decades after this act was passed.
    Some may argue that Chapter 18, Section 375 of Title 10 US Code prevents military personnel from direct participation in law enforcement. However, defending US borders from foreign invaders is not law enforcement, it’s the basic purpose of the US military. While defending these United States from invasion, civilian law enforcement may be called upon to assist the US military. Does anyone believe the Border Patrol must operate fighter aircraft because the US Air Force can’t intercept aircraft crossing into the US because that’s “law enforcement”?
    When you read about proposals in Congress to put US troops on the border, those are not proposals to allow US troops on the border, but proposals to force the President to put troops back on the border. However, recent Presidents have listened to their corporate advisors and their slogans and ignored the threat of unsecured US borders.
    Myth #3 The National Guard should guard the border, not active duty troops.
    The National Guard is an organized militia to deal with state and national emergencies. Guarding the US border is a full-time mission that the federal government is required to perform by Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution. The few states along the border shouldn’t be expected to defend the entire country from invasion. This myth is also spread by imperial minded Generals who prefer to rule an empire overseas than to defend their own citizens. Whenever citizens demand the Army protect their nation, Generals dodge this issue by stating that it may be a mission for the National Guard, so as not to waste resources of the US Army.
    This is absurd; the primary mission of the US Army is to protect US citizens, and the US Constitution requires the federal government to protect states from invasion.
    If there is a major war and the Army would like to deploy its border troops overseas, then National Guard troops from any state can be mobilized to guard the border until the war ends.

    Myth #4 The US Army hasn’t the resources for border troops.

    The active duty army has 500,000 full-time troops supported by over 300,000 civilians. The Border Patrol has 9700 agents. Certainly, the Army can form a infantry division of 10,000 troops to actually defend the USA, or Congress can authorize more troops. This G2mil article: Cut Surplus Army Units identifies more than 10,000 unneeded positions in the US Army that can be cut to form an infantry division. There are several US military bases along the border that can host an infantry battalion for border security: NAS Whidbey Island, WA; Minot AFB, SD; Selfridge ARNG base, MI; Fort Drum, NY; Laughlin AFB, TX; Fort Bliss, TX; Fort Huachuca, AZ, Yuma Proving Grounds, AZ; and NAS El Centro, CA; plus several military facilities in the San Diego area. Some Army officers may express concern that border duty will hurt readiness for Army missions overseas. They don’t understand that defending the USA is their primary mission!

    Myth #5 Soldiers aren’t trained for such missions
    Soldiers are ideally trained to guard remote areas of the border. All they need are a few days of orientation training and to learn some Spanish or French phrases they can shout into a bullhorn: “Stop, you cannot enter the United States here, go back!” They will not process arrestees, fill out paperwork, search houses, run checkpoints, appear in court, or conduct investigations. They will just confront people who they directly view invading the USA. They will insist that foreign intruders turn back or face arrest by the Border Patrol.
    This will prevent odd incidents like in 1997 when a marine on drug war duty near the border shot a local goat herder who had fired in his direction. Some suspect this young man was paid by drug dealers to provoke an incident in hopes of getting the marines removed. He succeeded, but didn’t expect to die. The marines were there because the President had authorized their use after Army Generals refused. The Marine shooter was there on temporary duty and did not view the goat herder entering the USA illegally. The establishment of orientation training and strict rules of engagement can ensure that US troops have no contact with US citizens.

    Myth #6 Illegal immigration cannot be stopped
    Of course it can. There is no illegal immigration from North to South Korea because that border is heavily guarded. Perhaps some of the 20,000 US troops there can transfer to the US border. Guarding the border will not stop the hundreds of thousands of visitors who overstay their visas in the USA, but at least they were checked and inspected prior to arrival. The Border Patrol estimates that 700,000 unknown persons slipped past them last year, cutting that to 7000 a year is not unrealistic. Some claim that illegals will just find another way to cross. However, most illegals cannot obtain a visa or shopping pass because they haven’t an address and job.

    The Border Patrol Needs Help
    While the corporate media keeps Americans confused with slogans, it rarely reports on the problems of illegal immigration, except for Bill O’Reily and Lou Dobbs. As a result, few Americans know that most of the US border is not guarded and vehicles routinely drive across. In May 2002, the US Immigration and Naturalization Service was required to pay back wages and cancel suspension and demotion orders for two Border Patrol agents who told a newspaper about security problems along the US-Canadian border. The agents, assigned to the INS field office in Detroit, were recommended for discipline after they told the Detroit Free Press that Michigan’s border lacked the resources to adequately protect the country from terrorists. Agents Mark Hall and Robert Lindemann said the 804 miles of shoreline border were guarded by 28 field agents, one working in a boat, several damaged electronic sensors and one broken remote camera. Keep in mind that these 28 field agents must cover that804 miles of border 24 hours a day, seven days a week, plus days off for vacation or illness. So there are only about six on duty at any given time, or three teams of two. Then when a team catches someone, they must transport and book him, so they’re gone for hours.

    Another major problem is that guarding remote areas of the border is a tough mission, which is not compatible with the unionized Border Patrol. They prefer to work 8-hour shifts and their union contract requires the government to provide them with proper meals and lodging when away from home. Since it can take hours to reach remote areas from the nearest Border Patrol station, it’s not practical to guard vast areas of the border. As a result, agents set up roadblocks or cruise around roadways rounding up who they can. This is much more interesting than standing a post along the border all day. However, the effort becomes pointless as it requires hours for the Border Patrol to process each arrested alien, who is then released on the other side of the border and walks back across for another try. In some urban sectors, the Border Patrol has focused on deterrence by placing most agents right on the border to stand guard. However, this becomes boring, which accounts for the high turnover rate among Border Patrol agents.

    Another reason much of the border is not patrolled is that it’s too dangerous. In 2002, six Mexican Army Hummers were two miles inside US territory when Mexican soldiers fired over 150 rounds from vehicle-mounted machine guns, and a dozen MK-19 40mm grenade rounds, at two US Border Patrol agents investigating narcotics trafficking in the Buenos Aires National Wildlife refuge north of Sasebe, Arizona. It is well known that some of the Mexican Army is involved in drug smuggling and Mexican troops are frequently encountered on the US side of the border in remote areas; see the great movie “Traffic” with Michael Douglas. In 2002, a US Park Ranger was killed when drug smugglers sprayed him with bullets from an AK-47, which struck him just below his bulletproof vest. With rogue Mexican army troops chasing off Border Patrol agents, Park Rangers wearing bulletproof vests, and thousands of recently deported criminal aliens walking back across, isn’t it time for the US Army to return to the border?

    Two-term Republican Rep. Rick Renzi, in a January 2006 letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, said reports of Mexican military units providing armed escorts to drug and alien smuggling operations represent “narco-terrorism in its purest form. Our borders are under attack by sophisticated organizations that have no qualms about firing on our Border Patrol units. As we get tougher and more committed, so do the organizations committed to smuggling death and terror across our borders.” Mr. Renzi said that during a tour of the Arizona border last month in a US Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE) helicopter, the pilot showed him military-style Humvees lining up at dusk just south of the border to move drugs into the USA. He said the preparations occur nightly, noting that 50 percent of the drugs coming into this country pass though the Arizona desert.
    Border Patrol agents are so busy rounding up aliens that they haven’t the time, equipment, nor motivation to conduct dangerous squad-size combat patrols into the wilderness. Most Border Patrol agents are hard working and dedicated, but the US Army is better organized for conducting combat patrols and continual surveillance along remote areas of the border. Once the Army sends squads to watch remote areas of the border, Army Generals will be shocked at the number of firefights that break out. Armed smugglers have used routes through remote areas for decades and will be surprised to encounter soldiers who are undeterred by their AK-47s.

    The Army will only guard rural border areas and only detain people they observe crossing illegally until Border Patrol agents arrive. This will allow the Border Patrol to focus on running checkpoints, guarding urban areas, and processing arrestees. This is no small task considering the Border Patrol has made over four million arrests since the 9-11 terror attacks, including thousands of Arabs.

    Squads of soldiers can deploy to the field for days at a time. A pattern of 72 hours in the field, 72 hours off duty, then 72 hours in garrison for admin and training will work great. This allows an infantry battalion with four line companies to rotate three of them so one is always guarding the border. Each company will go “off line” three months a year for leave, and some traditional infantry training to break up the routine. Since soldiers are transferred every three or four years, they will not face the boring prospect of watching the border for 30 years like Border Patrol agents.
    Each border infantry battalion should be supported by a helicopter detachment for emergency medivacs and to move a reaction squad to where shooting has broken out. Some areas may be so remote that helicopters will be needed to rotate squads every three days. However, in most cases troops will be deployed to screen the flanks of border crossings to thwart the common game of just walking around a checkpoint and meeting up with their driver down the road. Squads are likely to rotate to different posts each month to keep border duty interesting.
    This will provide great training for soldiers. Unlike canned peacetime exercises, the border is real and unpredictable. Border troops will become experts in map reading, surveillance, field living, and stealthy movement. Their goal will not be to arrest aliens, but to confront aliens near the border and turn them back. Anyone who is suspicious or uncooperative can be detained for the Border Patrol. Soldiers will enjoy the mission of actually protecting the USA, and probably engage in a few shoot outs during their border tour of duty. The first year of border duty will be especially chaotic as soldiers regain control of the wild frontier. Eventually, word will spread that crossing the US border is very difficult and problem will subside.

    Rules of Engagement
    Four rules of engagement can ensure that soldiers do not clash with innocent US citizens:
    1) Soldiers will not enter private property without permission of the landowner.
    The Border Patrol is legally allowed to enter private property along the border without permission. Most landowners are happy that someone is protecting their property. However, a few will protest if US troops camp out on their land, and radical groups will sue claiming 3rd Amendment rights are violated. So its best to leave those few alone and let the Border Patrol deal with each issue. There have been cases where smugglers purchased US property on the border to help their operations, so they’d object to US troops. Since a quarter of the land along the Mexican border is already federal property, US troops can stay busy just guarding federal lands. Patrolling American parks along the border has become so dangerous that park rangers are twice more likely to suffer injuries from an assault than DEA agents overseas.

    2) Soldiers will only conduct surveillance on Mexico, Canada, or international waters to detect persons entering the USA illegally. They will not conduct intelligence missions at targets within the USA, even at the request of law enforcement agencies.

    Many law enforcement agencies work along the border and may ask soldiers to keep an eye on a certain house or building or person they are investigating on the US side of the border. This may seem harmless, but it’s not a role for soldiers. If soldiers see a crime in progress, they should report that immediately and intervene if lives are at stake, but they must not become involved in law enforcement investigations or domestic surveillance.

    3) Soldiers will only confront or detain persons who they directly observe entering the USA illegally. They will not confront or detain persons who they suspect have crossed the border illegally.

    This will eliminate accidental confrontations between local citizens, unless a US citizen knowingly breaks the law by attempting to enter the US illegally, which is probably because he is involved in other illegal activities. Sometimes soldiers will spot a suspicious group of people on the US side who they didn’t observe crossing the border. They may be 99% certain this group slipped across the border, but they cannot be certain, so all they can do is to radio the information to the Border Patrol. This restriction will ensure soldiers have no contact with local citizens while on duty, except with property owners along the border who have given permission to guard their land.

    4) Soldiers will not directly assist other government agencies along the border on a routine basis.
    Some Army officers and government officials may decide that Army manpower can help guard the border by assisting other agencies. For example, helping search cars and trucks, guarding prisoners, or assisting in raids. However, this is not a role for the Army or soldiers. There will be occasional emergencies or natural disasters where soldiers help out like they do near all Army bases. However, soldiers should not be used as a federal manpower pool.
    Army Transformation
    While the Army bureaucracy churns out paperwork about “transformation” the greatest need is for the Army to defend the US border. While Americans were shocked when 3000 citizens were killed by the 9-11 terror attacks, more Americans have been killed by illegal aliens over the years. While they may not be more violent than US citizens, if they cannot cross the border they cannot harm Americans. Most people who illegally cross the border are desperate and they will do whatever it takes to survive. That may require fake IDs, identify theft, shoplifting, robbery, or the transport and sale of narcotics.
    As the US tracks international terrorists, restricts visas from certain countries, and tightens port security, future terrorists are more likely to just walk across the unguarded border. While some people worry about China’s military, they should worry about the thousands of former Chinese soldiers that slip across the border each year. Placing troops on the border will require orders from the US President, yet it is doubtful that Army Generals have made proposals. In contrast, Generals continue to spread the myths described in this article. The United States has the only army on Earth that thinks defending its nation from invasion is not their role. It is time for the US Army to transform and assign 2% of its manpower to its basic mission of defending the USA from invasion.

    Most Dangerous National Parks –

    On June 28, the U.S. Park Rangers Lodge of the Fraternal Order of Police released its third annual survey of the 10 Most Dangerous National Parks. The rangers cited increasing problems with illegal immigrants, drug smuggling, and potential terrorist threats.
    Arizona‘s Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument topped the rangers’ list for the third year in a row. Following is the list.

    1. Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument (Arizona): After the August 2002 murder of National Park Service Ranger Kris Eggle, the NPS bolstered its force at the monument with tactical teams, since removed, and has failed to restore staff levels to previous levels.

    2. Amistad National Recreation Area (Texas): Amistad shares the same problems of drug and alien smuggling as Organ Pipe. Seven rangers attempt to hold the line on 85 miles of an international border. With days off, it means that only one or two are on duty at any given hour of the day, and at night, the park is turned over to the smugglers.

    3. Big Bend National Park (Texas): This park, which has the largest boundary with Mexico, struggles with an overwhelming flow of illegal aliens. According to the rangers, the park has violated NPS orders to hire law enforcement staff before hiring other personnel, leaving the few remaining rangers understaffed.
    The corporate media in the USA is extremely powerful and dumbs down all Americans. They want cheap labor pouring across US borders to drive down wages, so they invent simple phrases to confuse Americans. “We are a nation of immigrants” is a meaningless phrase used to end rational discussion about what is best for the American people. England and Mexico are also nations of immigrants. In fact, most scientists agree that man originated from a spot in Africa, so every nation on Earth is a nation of immigrants and everyone’s ancestors were immigrants. Even the misnamed “native Americans” came from Asia, albeit a few thousand years before those from Europe.
    US citizens are not demanding new immigration laws, they just want the federal government to enforce existing laws. If the nation needs more immigrants, quotas can rise and those selected screened for diseases, criminal records, and motives. People who break the law by entering the US illegally, then break more laws by working illegally using false identification, do not qualify as potential good citizens. To keep the gates for cheap labor open, corporate television along with corporate sponsored politicians have used irrational slogans to convince many Americans that putting US troops on the border is unconstitutional, illegal, impractical, dangerous, and futile. This is why the few thousand “National Guardsmen” recently deployed to the border are prohibited from guarding the nation; they can only perform menial chores.
    This report has been prepared by Ron Bass and posted in the UPA (United Patriots of America) web site prior to 2011.
    The information in this report was extracted from various documents and the book mentioned at the beginning of the report. This is from Carlton Meyer’s new book: The Spectrum of Future Warfare.
    http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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