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    Congress reaches Russia sanctions deal

    Congress reaches Russia sanctions deal



    (CNN)The House and Senate reached a deal Saturday
    to slap Russia with fresh sanctions and give Congress new veto power
    to block any easing of those sanctions --
    an agreement that could send a new bill to President Donald Trump's desk
    before the end of the month.

    House and Senate negotiators announced an agreement was reached Saturday morning
    for a bill that would include new sanctions against Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

    Despite the White House lobbying for changes to the measure,
    the legislation will give Congress a new ability to block the administration from easing sanctions on Moscow.

    Democrats and some Republicans have expressed concerns
    that Trump is considering giving Russia back two compounds in Maryland and New York
    that were seized by the Obama administration in December.

    "Given the many transgressions of Russia,
    and President Trump's seeming inability to deal with them,
    a strong sanctions bill such as the one Democrats and Republicans have just agreed to is essential,"
    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said.

    The House will vote on the bill on Tuesday

    Senate leaders haven't said when they will bring it to the floor.

    They expect Trump will sign the bill
    because it will likely pass both chambers
    with strong, veto-proof majorities.

    The bill was also changed
    to ensure that it didn't affect a major pipeline
    used to transport oil from Kazakhstan through Russia to Ukraine
    as well as
    a natural gas pipeline that goes between Russia and Germany.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 07-22-2017 at 11:45 AM.



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    He needs to give them back those compounds now, and roll back as many sanctions as possible before this passes, then he should veto it and make them vote to override.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He needs to give them back those compounds now, and roll back as many sanctions as possible before this passes, then he should veto it and make them vote to override.
    Sanctions are an act of war, if Trump is truly not wanting to make war with Russia he should veto it. Even if they override the veto it would seem like at least the American people elected someone to President who doesn't want to make war with Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He needs to give them back those compounds now, and roll back as many sanctions as possible before this passes, then he should veto it and make them vote to override.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Sanctions are an act of war, if Trump is truly not wanting to make war with Russia he should veto it. Even if they override the veto it would seem like at least the American people elected someone to President who doesn't want to make war with Russia.
    Yep 100%.. the best move on the board with bully pulpit non-stop tweeting and 'fireside chats'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He needs to give them back those compounds now, and roll back as many sanctions as possible before this passes, then he should veto it and make them vote to override.
    This would prove his ties with Russia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He needs to give them back those compounds now, and roll back as many sanctions as possible before this passes, then he should veto it and make them vote to override.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=48679702

    Russians leave meeting without their seized US compounds

    Russia and the Trump administration are still at odds after a high-level meeting over two Russian diplomatic compounds that the U.S. seized last year, a Kremlin official said today, while the United States was mum on the issue.

    Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov met Monday evening in Washington with Tom Shannon, the U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs — the highest-level meeting since the two countries' presidents, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, met at the G-20 summit in Germany this month — as the Trump administration faces intense pressure from Russia on one side and the U.S. Congress on the other over the fate of the two compounds, or dachas, in New York and Maryland.

    "It would be an exaggeration to say that we are on the verge of finding a solution and resolving this situation," Ryabkov told Russian news agency Tass today, adding that the meeting "went off predictably" and that the two sides came up with "a number of ideas on how to achieve a visible and tangible improvement in relations."

    Asked after the meeting whether the two countries are close to a deal on the compounds, Ryabkov said with a smile, "Almost, almost."

    But in a statement released today, the State Department made no mention of the compounds — only a joint commitment to restart arms control talks. "The conversation was tough, forthright and deliberate, reflecting both parties' commitment to a resolution," it read. "It is clear that more work needs to be done."

    The Obama administration cut off Russia's access to the dachas in December and expelled 35 Russian diplomats in response to Russia's interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    Russia has been losing patience with the Trump administration over the issue, threatening to retaliate if the compounds are not returned soon. Ryabkov reiterated that threat today.

    "Retaliation measures will follow" unless those two compounds are returned unconditionally, he told Tass.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov took a slightly softer tone Monday, telling reporters that Russia hopes the White House can find the "political wisdom and political will" to return the dachas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This would prove his ties with Russia.

    Russian salad dressing would 'prove' collusion to those folks. He needs to not give a single $#@!.



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    The very nerve that Trump has to fear the media is absurd. Even Putin balked at him are those the ones that are hurting you hahahaha. He can't do anything without the media crying that he is in league with the Russians so he might as well do the right thing.

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    EU "Sounds Alarm" Over New US Sanctions On Russia; Germany Threatens Retaliation

    Late on Friday, Congressional negotiators reached a deal to advance a bill that would punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 election and restrict the president’s power to remove sanctions on Moscow, according to the WSJ. The measure, if signed into law, will also give Congress veto powers to block any easing of Russian sanctions by the president. And while it remained unclear if President Donald Trump would sign the bill if it reaches his desk, which is now likely, the loudest complaint about the bill to date has emerged noe from the Oval Office, but from Brussels, after the EU once again urged (and warned, and threatened) US lawmakers to coordinate their anti-Russia actions with European partners, or else.

    As Reuters reports, the European Union "sounded an alarm on Saturday" about moves in the U.S. Congress to step up U.S. sanctions on Russia, urging Washington to keep coordinating with its G7 partners. In a statement by a spokeswoman after Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. Congress reached a deal that could see new legislation pass, the European Commission warned of possibly "wide and indiscriminate" "unintended consequences", especially on the EU's efforts to diversify energy sources away from Russia, adding that "unilateral measures" by the US could undermine transatlantic unity.

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    This is certainly high on the priorities of everybody that voted in the 2016 elections. Good to see congress finally doing something real Americans care and worry about every day, instead of nonsense like tax relief and simplification, jobs, and healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    EU "Sounds Alarm" Over New US Sanctions On Russia; Germany Threatens Retaliation

    Late on Friday, Congressional negotiators reached a deal to advance a bill that would punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 election and restrict the president’s power to remove sanctions on Moscow, according to the WSJ. The measure, if signed into law, will also give Congress veto powers to block any easing of Russian sanctions by the president. And while it remained unclear if President Donald Trump would sign the bill if it reaches his desk, which is now likely, the loudest complaint about the bill to date has emerged noe from the Oval Office, but from Brussels, after the EU once again urged (and warned, and threatened) US lawmakers to coordinate their anti-Russia actions with European partners, or else.

    As Reuters reports, the European Union "sounded an alarm on Saturday" about moves in the U.S. Congress to step up U.S. sanctions on Russia, urging Washington to keep coordinating with its G7 partners. In a statement by a spokeswoman after Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. Congress reached a deal that could see new legislation pass, the European Commission warned of possibly "wide and indiscriminate" "unintended consequences", especially on the EU's efforts to diversify energy sources away from Russia, adding that "unilateral measures" by the US could undermine transatlantic unity.
    Trumps supposed to just say no to the congress because of a foreign governments objection? This just sounds like Germany is trying to punch above its weight class because they are trying to assert themselves as a super power. They have been pushing this narrative ever since Trumps administration came in and said they didn't want to go to war with Russia.

    My guess is this is some sort of mental trickery so they can goad Trump into doing it in spite of them. I think they would love to send us to war with Russia, and I think the whole Brexit thing was actually a way for them to disavow themselves from their foreign policy so they don't make us their enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Trumps supposed to just say no to the congress because of a foreign governments objection? This just sounds like Germany is trying to punch above its weight class because they are trying to assert themselves as a super power. They have been pushing this narrative ever since Trumps administration came in and said they didn't want to go to war with Russia.

    My guess is this is some sort of mental trickery so they can goad Trump into doing it in spite of them. I think they would love to send us to war with Russia, and I think the whole Brexit thing was actually a way for them to disavow themselves from their foreign policy so they don't make us their enemies.
    Well...
    Germany speaking out (original Senate version) was obvious: US blatant attempt to sabotage/scuttle the Nordstream 2 pipeline,
    forcing Europe to buy expensive US shipped LNG. (supposedly the House 'revised' version omits/corrects this)
    Why Brussels is suddenly speaking out probably has more to do with pandering to populist anti-US sentiment. (imo)
    Last edited by goldenequity; 07-23-2017 at 10:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Well...
    Germany speaking out (original Senate version) was obvious: US blatant attempt to sabotage/scuttle the Nordstream 2 pipeline,
    forcing Europe to buy expensive US shipped LNG. (supposedly the House 'revised' version omits/corrects this)
    Why Brussels is suddenly speaking out probably has more to do with pandering to populist anti-US sentiment. (imo)
    Its basically just a geopolitical win-win because it makes America look like he capitulated if he vetoes it and they force super majority and it makes America do what they want us to do if he signs it without comment. You should understand the context of the fear they have from Russia.

    Their governments are destabilizing and possibly collapsing because of their foreign policy against Russia and Russia retaliation. Right now they fear Russia will just keep expanding its borders indefinitely, and when Trump came into office saying that he wouldn't go to war with Russia they started making plans of their own, no matter how little their ability to fight for their sovereignty without us they will, and when Germany gets desperate like this you get a world war traditionally.

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    “The administration is supportive of being tough on Russia, particularly in putting these sanctions in place,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who was promoted to press secretary on Friday, said on “This Week” on ABC News. “The original piece of legislation was poorly written, but we were able to work with the House and Senate, and the administration is happy with the ability to do that and make those changes that were necessary and we support where the legislation is now.”
    White House Signals Acceptance of Russia Sanctions Bill
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/u...sanctions.html
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    He's clearly dodging a neocon bullet.


    S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 Sponsor: Sen. Graham, Lindsey [R-SC] (Introduced 02/08/2017)


    Two senior administration officials said they could not imagine
    Mr. Trump vetoing the measure in the current political atmosphere,
    even if he regards it as interfering with his executive authority
    to conduct foreign policy.


    Under the wording in the legislative deal, it would be difficult, but not impossible,
    for the president to undercut sanctions without congressional approval:
    The administration could stall in identifying individuals and companies subject to new sanctions.


    House version of the bill includes a small number of changes, technical and substantive, from the Senate legislation,
    including some made in response to concerns raised by American energy companies. (who fear deal killing blowback by EU/Rus)

    Those tweaks — and the addition of North Korea sanctions to a Senate package that included only Russia and Iran,
    months after the House approved sanctions against North Korea by a vote of 419 to 1 —
    helped end the impasse.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 07-23-2017 at 01:55 PM.



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    FinancialTimes
    EU ready to retaliate against US sanctions on Russia

    Jean-Claude Juncker was particularly concerned the sanctions would neglect the interests of European companies. Juncker said Brussels “should stand ready to act within days” if sanctions on Russia are “adopted without EU concerns being taken into account,”

    “the measures could impact a potentially large number of European companies doing legitimate business under EU measures with Russian entities in the railways, financial, shipping or mining sectors, among others.”






    RT
    ‘Double damage’: Russian senator warns Trump over new sanctions


    “If Trump signs the sanctions bill, he will not calm down his enemies – they desire his impeachment. But he will inflict double damage – to relations with Russia and the European Union at the same time,” Aleksey Pushkov

    “New sanctions against Russia will never become a success story for Trump’s administration – they will only put it at loggerheads with the EU and block any normalization of relations with Russia,”




    RIA
    Cooling US-EU Ties Over Russia Sanctions Leading to Collapse of Anti-Russia Bloc


    Brussels' threats of 'retaliation' against Washington are a sign that the growing economic competition between the EU and the US
    may factually result in a split in Western sanctions policy, and the Western 'anti-Russia' bloc itself.

    "Perhaps the most important effect from the possible introduction of sanctions is that the united bloc of Russia's opponents
    is being destroyed," Shapovalov said.
    "US sanctions policy, which had [previously] been consistently supported by the EU,
    now threatens to turn into a sanctions policy directed against the EU itself."

    "At the heart of this package of sanctions are specific measures against those companies
    which will invest in Russian energy companies, and this above all, means European companies."

    If before, "the US, the EU and their allies acted as a united front [against Russia],
    at the moment we're seeing the opposite situation.
    The US, by introducing this package of sanctions, is fighting not so much against Russia as they are against the EU.
    Factually, this is an economic competition between the US and the EU,
    and Washington is putting European countries in a very disadvantageous position."
    Last edited by goldenequity; 07-24-2017 at 10:22 AM.

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    Analysis:
    Turkey-Germany Rift: Why Russia is the 'One to Win'?


    EU GAS VIA TURKEY
    (SouthStream vs NordStream)

    The Turkish-German aggravation will help Moscow in its dialogue with Europe on the gas issue.

    Russian experts and public officials tried to convince Europeans
    that Turkish suggestions are very unreliable
    and that Turkey would use the gas transit as a political leverage.
    However neither Berlin nor Brussels listened to them while being too obsessed by an idea of diversification.

    Now it is only too clear to Germans (not to Poles however) that Turkey has become very unreliable and something should be done about it.

    "The only solution is the Nord Stream 2 project, which Russia is constructing jointly with Germany.
    And if the conflict between Germany and Turkey is not going to die down,
    Germans will be even more interested in its success and will push it through Brussels,
    while turning a deaf ear to any political wailing of its Eastern European neighbors,

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    ...but, but... it's ok Nikki.. it's ok... see the pretty birdies? Aren't they cute?? That's right. It'll be ok.....


    Russian, European lawmakers to visit Syria


    (TASS) A delegation from the Russian State Duma’s lower parliament house
    plans to visit Syria jointly with European lawmakers in the near future, probably before the year-end,
    Leonid Slutsky, the chairman of the Duma’s international committee, said on Monday.

    “Naturally, we plan [to visit Syria – TASS] with foreign colleagues.
    Europe needs to know the truth about what is going on in Syria and who is really fighting against terrorists there.”

    However he refrained from disclosing details of the future visit.

    “I would prefer not to tell when. You will learn about it in detail in due time. Probably, very soon,” he said.

    In Syria, Russia is fighting against international terrorism, “but not against anybody else,” Slutsky stressed.

    “Back in Europe after the visit, and I think there can be more than just one such visit,
    our colleagues will tell the truth to their voters, to the European information and political community.”

    The Russia lawmaker pledged such visits would be organized on a regular basis
    and cooperation between the two countries’ parliaments would be continued.

    “It is important to consolidate anti-terrorism efforts at all levels and in all areas.
    There could not be a more important task,” he underscored.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 07-24-2017 at 12:11 PM.

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    ***neocons gnashing teeth, low growling***




    Russia ready to help mediate in Qatar row if asked


    MOSCOW, July 24 - Russia is ready to help mediate in the dispute between Qatar and Arab states if approached,
    \Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an interview released on Monday.

    Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Egypt have cut ties and imposed sanctions on Qatar,
    accusing it of supporting terrorism. Doha denies the charges.

    "We are interested in this crisis being overcome, taking into account mutual concerns
    and finding solutions which will be acceptable for all participants of this process," Lavrov told Kurdish television channel Rudaw,
    according to a transcript of the interview published on the foreign ministry's website.

    "We support the mediating efforts which are being made by the Emir of Kuwait ...
    If as part of those efforts or in addition to them all sides think that Russia could also do something useful,
    we will be ready to respond to such appeals," Lavrov said, according to the transcript.

    The Russian foreign minister also said that creating a Russian-U.S. cyber-security group was still relevant.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 07-24-2017 at 12:08 PM.

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    Senator Corker says no deal yet on Russia sanctions bill

    Long-delayed legislation to impose new sanctions on Russia hit another snag on Monday when the influential Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said the announcement of a deal to move the bill forward was premature."We still have a little work to do," Senator Bob Corker told reporters at the U.S. Senate. He said he expected differences could be resolved quickly but declined to give a specific timeframe.
    Republicans and Democrats in the House of Representatives and Senate Democrats had announced on Saturday that they had reached an agreement that would allow a vote on the sanctions bill in the House on Tuesday.
    House aides said the bill is expected to pass overwhelmingly.
    But Corker said the announcement of a deal "seemed somewhat premature."
    "It's not quite done, but it feels like it's moving to a good place," Corker said. He said issues included North Korea sanctions that were added to a bill including sanctions on Iran and Russia that passed the Senate overwhelmingly in June.
    He said Senate and House staff members were still discussing the measure. "It's very, very close," he said.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/senator-c...111235741.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    White House Signals Acceptance of Russia Sanctions Bill
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/u...sanctions.html
    I saw the white house spokeswoman (Mrs Sanders) on TV saying how satisfied the administration is with the sanctions and this morning, I listened to crosstalk (a RT American TV program) and they still believe that Trump doesn't really support the sanction. According to them, it is the fault of the republicans and the deep state who don't want Trump to realize his new friendship with Russia.

    These people at RT are more delusional than Danno. when it comes to Trump.

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    LAW vs 'policy'.

    Last edited by goldenequity; 07-27-2017 at 12:33 AM.

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    'Counter-sanctions possible, trade war between EU & US would be very bad' - German economy minister



    The EU had earlier warned Washington against the new bans, out of fear that they would adversely affect its new energy deals with Russia.

    In a clear message to Trump, EU President Jean-Claude Juncker
    said the bloc would act “within days” if the Trump administration failed to reassure its European allies
    about the potential impacts of the bans on their interests.

    “America first cannot mean that Europe’s interests come last,” he added.

    The EU fears that the new punitive measures might hit European companies involved in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project,
    which will be used to carry natural gas from Russia to Germany.

    Germany has also opposed the latest measures,
    calling them an “unacceptable” move that is likely “to serve the interests of US industry policies.”

    ==============

    Europe seeks to set global trade rules after Trump steps back
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1AC0KK

    EU trade talks
    http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx...1T3/index.html

    "If Donald Trump's ditching of a U.S.-led trade alliance with Pacific Rim nations wasn't a gift to the European Union,
    then it must be the next best thing."

    =============

    Finland: Putin helicopters into Savonlinna ahead of meeting with Finnish president



    Finland: Putin holds bilateral talks with Finnish president in Savonlinna

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    These people at RT are more delusional than Danno. when it comes to Trump.
    RT and dannno are both repeating the same propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    RT and dannno Soros and TheCount are both repeating the same propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I saw the white house spokeswoman (Mrs Sanders) on TV saying how satisfied the administration is with the sanctions and this morning, I listened to crosstalk (a RT American TV program) and they still believe that Trump doesn't really support the sanction. According to them, it is the fault of the republicans and the deep state who don't want Trump to realize his new friendship with Russia.

    These people at RT are more delusional than Danno. when it comes to Trump.
    Mooch says Trump may veto: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politi...ntv/index.html

    The idea RT are the delusional ones are silly. Who doubts that Trump would have good relations with Russia if it were up just up to him? Trump has never exhibited any anti-Russian sentiment in his life. The problem he has run in to is the cabal that firmly controls the US Government, Media, and World Financial system views a Christian and Capitalist Russia as public enemy #1. Trump has to defeat the cabal before he can accomplish much of anything, and I think Trump understands that which is why he focuses most of his time attacking the media and lowering its reputation among the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    These people at RT are more delusional than Danno. when it comes to Trump.
    Said by somebody that obviously does not read much RT.

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    ‘We gave him explanations’: Lavrov answers Tillerson on sanctions


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