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    US Urges All Nationals In North Korea To "Depart Immediately", Bans Tourists From Visiting

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...rists-visiting

    Dennis Rodman will be disappointed to learn that the US is set to ban all citizens from traveling to North Korea, according to two agencies that operate tours there. Koryo Tours and Young Pioneer Tours said the ban would be announced on 27 July to come into effect 30 days later, the BBC reported. "After the 30-day grace period any US national that travels to North Korea will have their passport invalidated by their government." The ban comes one month after US student Otto Warmbier died following his imprisonment by the Kim regime.

    China-based Young Pioneer Tours, which had taken Warmbier to North Korea, and Koryo Tours said the ban will come into force on July 27 - the anniversary of the end of the Korean War - with a 30-day grace period. Koryo Tours added that the Swedish embassy in Pyongyang, which handles consular affairs for the United States in the North, informed it of the ban, but did not say how long it would last. The U.S. embassy in the South Korean capital, Seoul, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Rowan Beard said that the 30-day grace period would "give leeway for any [Americans] currently in the country as tourists or on humanitarian work". Simon Cockerill, of Koryo Tours, said: "It remains to be seen what the exact text is, but the indication is it's just a straight up ban on Americans going." Mr Cockerill told the BBC the agency would still conduct tours and take Americans until the ban came into effect.

    Additionally, Rowan Beard of Young Pioneer Tours, told the BBC the embassy was urging all US nationals to depart immediately. He said the embassy was trying to check on the number of US tourists left in the country.

    For now there has been no official confirmation from the US: the state department continues to have an alert dated 9 May strongly warning US citizens not to travel to North Korea.

    As the BBC adds, there has been movement towards a ban for a while in the US, which increased with the Warmbier death.

    In May, two congressmen introduced the North Korea Travel Control bill to cut off the foreign currency the country earns from American tourists. The House foreign affairs subcommittee is scheduled to take up the draft legislation on 27 July but it would still have to go to the Senate. So there could be an executive order. Last month, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said: "We have been evaluating whether we should put some type of travel visa restriction to North Korea. We have not come to a final conclusion, but we are considering it." Apart from the treatment of Americans in North Korea, tension has been increasing over Pyongyang's nuclear programme.

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    I guess we are most definitely maybe going to war with North Korea?
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    This could be a precursor to military action or just precautionary after they tortured and killed that college kid.
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    Where is a federal judge to block this to protect my rights to go to NK?

    Oh, that's right, they only care about preserving the rights of foreigners to come here and murder people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    This could be a precursor to military action or just precautionary after they tortured and killed that college kid.
    The initial medical reports from the US MDs said there was no sign of physical trauma. Have we seen an autopsy? I'm not big on conspiracy stuff but the silence about his cause of death is deafening.

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    Hawaii battening down hatches:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/haw...D=ansmsnnews11

    The Hawaii Emergency Management Agency is kicking off an educational campaign aimed at helping residents and visitors figure out what to do if the state is targeted in a nuclear missile attack from North Korea, reports CBS Honolulu affiliate KGMB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Where is a federal judge to block this to protect my rights to go to NK?
    This is not a new thing. I was born overseas. I was added to my mother's passport for travel to the US. On that passport it plainly states that a traveler holding a passport who had been to North Korea (and some other places) would not be granted admission to the US.

    I don't think this will stop Dennis Rodman from going wherever he wants, but there you go.
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    Basically, Russia and China now standing back-to-back is the message/push back against
    US sabre rattling.
    Both NATO aggression on Russian doorstep
    and
    military policy in S. China sea and Pacific fleet including Norks.

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    A travel embargo telling Americans where they cannot go - because it worked so well with Cuba.
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    Let Americans Go to North Korea
    Enforced Isolationism Benefits No One.


    The Kim regime is acting out of weakness, not strength, in seeking a nuclear deterrent against U.S. military action. What has American officials so concerned is that Pyongyang’s action threatens to prevent them from freely intervening around the globe. The DPRK is threatening to turn the U.S.-South Korea alliance on its head. … Threatening the North simply reinforces the case for building them. …

    Another policy that won’t help is banning travel to the North. … The State Department already discourages travel to the North. … Whether imposed by executive fiat or statute, a ban is a bad idea. …

    Further isolating the DPRK won’t help. … even tourist excursions can play a positive role. … Visitors should keep their wits about them and remember where they are. The North will enforce its rules. …

    While the DPRK is unique, it is hardly alone in holding, often brutally, foreigners accountable for violating local laws and practices. A non-Muslim better not show up in Mecca or Medina. Don’t visit Pakistan and insult the Prophet: a mob will probably dispose of you before you are even arrested, let alone tried. Trashing a Koran might yield the same result. … Smuggling drugs has gotten Western tourists executed in countries such as Indonesia. Try being a Christian missionary in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or Maldives. … Then there are war zones. Americans can and do travel to Afghanistan, Syria, Burma, Turkey, Pakistan, Iraq, and other nations where conflicts rage and guerrillas operate …

    Is there some other reason to ban travel … Tourism offers the Kim regime some financial benefit, but not much. Travelers bring in relatively small amounts of cash compared to the amount necessary to build nuclear weapons. At most, individual tourists are thought spend a couple thousand dollars or so in the North. Reducing the number of American travelers might not even change the total number of visitors that much, to the extent that their absence opened space for others.

    Equally important, the U.S. would have no way to police the prohibition. For years Americans traveled to Cuba illegally through either Canada or Jamaica and Cuba did not stamp their passports. Going to the North illegally through China would be equally easy: Speaking from experience, the North Koreans provide stand-alone visas to Americans that are taken upon exit, and do not stamp Americans’ passports. Except for the photos I took there would have been no evidence for U.S. officials that I was in the DPRK. Ironically, the ban would make the destination seem even more exotic and thus attractive to some. …

    Nor does tourism raise the North’s international stature. To the contrary, seeing the country removes any illusions that visitors could have about such a system. …

    With the Kim dynasty so far intransigent and resilient, the best hope over time may be for internal transformation. Given the power structure and totalitarian controls, no one expects an imminent “Korean Spring.” But general attitudes may shift over time, creating pressure for liberalization even within the elite. .

    The border with China has grown more permeable in recent years and outside information increasingly seeps in. Pyongyang looks very different from a quarter century ago, with private cars, cell phones, stylish clothing, and more Westerners behaving in ways inconsistent with the regime’s traditional message. Dealing with foreigners likely offers another revealing contact with the outside world. In some cases personal relationships form, especially with repeat visitors. The useful result is to provide information and arouse curiosity. …

    Even a bit of perestroika and glasnost would help, and those having some contact with the West might become agents of at least modest change. … unscripted moments offer important insight into a system that to most people justifies the traditional label “Hermit Kingdom.” In fact, that term no longer applies to the DPRK, in part because of tourism. My British friend was planning helicopter and micro-light tours over the North Korean capital. That would have been inconceivable not many years ago. No one gains from an attempt by Washington to return the North to its more isolated past.

    Finally, there’s the basic issue of individual liberty. ... Americans should be allowed to explore the world, make friends, take risks, gain experiences, and more—even if doing so inconveniences Washington. … Most Americans will never go, or even want to go, to North Korea. Allow the few
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