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Jefferson didn't seem to think that was the correct interpretation:
"Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease." --Thomas Jefferson to William H. Crawford, 1816. ME 15:28
He stated that the government had the power, and the government only gets it's powers from the constitution.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Franklin didn't like German immigrants. Yet, he didn't want to limit their migration, only that they should be
assimilated.
"Yet I am not for refusing entirely to admit them into our Colonies: all that seems
to be necessary is, to distribute them more equally, mix them with the English,
establish English schools where they are now too thick settled"
Washington...
"My opinion, with respect to emigration, is, that except of useful Mechanics and some particular descriptions of
men or professions, there is no need of encouragement: while the policy or advantage of its taking place in a
body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the Language,
habits and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants,
get assimilated to our customs, measures and laws: in a word, soon become one people."
Washington also wrote...
“The bosom of America is open to receive not only the
Opulent and respectable Stranger, but the oppressed and persecuted of all Nations and
Religions.”
He also wrote that he...
"hoped that this land might become a safe and agreeable Asylum to the virtuous and persecuted
part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong.”
and this....
“the advantage of
[immigration and settlement] taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a
body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the Language, habits, and
principles (good or bad) which they bring with them.”
The founders, in more than one writing, expressed the belief that they did not wish to encourage emigration, but that they did not
wish to discourage it. The main goal was naturalization and assimilation.
Which is exactly what our government has not done. Individuals like @Swordsmyth wish to blame those who wish to
immigrate here.
The blame lies fully on the government for those that seek to build a wall. It's policy drives them into sanctuary cities where
instead of assimilation they form their own communities for protection. It induces them with a liberal welfare program.
The founders believed that immigrants needed to be educated in Republican values. Look at our education system today. Does it inculcate the Republican values of our founders?
So, IMHO, energy should be spent in correcting that which has become of this Republic through liberal Democratic forces.
Not at those that if given the opportunity, for opportunity is what the majority want, to escape a repressive regime and would be receptive to the founders principles if they hadn't been demonized.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
It's still not clear to me that he was giving an objective explanation of the Constitution, contra merely expressing his own political views.
Anyway, I think we may just have to agree to disagree: not sure there is a slam dunk case one way or the other.
Suffice it say, even if the Constitution does authorize restrictions, that's no justification for them.
Bull$#@!. It's already been explained to you the meaning of Article 1 Section 9. YOU may chose to disbelieve both liberal and conservative think tanks, but you're just pissing up a rope. The evidence is there but your predilection will not allow you to see otherwise. This is the definition of ignorance.
No, as they are no longer able to cross a border thanks to a wall, and laws that prevent them from getting anything for "free".
Also immigration harms freedom/rights. http://www.thesocialcontract.com/art...3-vinson.shtml
Maybe we would not have the Patriot Act if we did not allow in muzzies seeing how they always wage jihad. But hey, It guess its better we fall on our sword because "MUH principals" rather then swing them at the necks of our enemies because "MUH NAP".
How many? Who exactly? What nationalities? The Latinos I have met and employed went through a lot of $#@! to get here. Because they believe that here, in America, if they worked their ass off they could live above the minimal sustenance level they were afforded in their former country.
Last edited by phill4paul; 07-25-2017 at 07:42 PM.
Holy God you are a liar, http://humanevents.com/2007/07/20/fo...tion-skeptics/
And you can spreg out all you want,meanwhile the walls go out, hostiles are kept out and you enjoy the benefits while railing against it because you are a virtue signaling.
Yeah, those with something to protect, protect it. If you dont not like it, leave America and live in the 3rd world you adore so much, its not like they dont value the somethings that you do? Right?
No physical barrier has ever held. Go ahead and believe wasting billions on one that it will change things. I've outlined my beliefs in a previous post #154. The problem is not with immigrants it is with Americans and the government they believe they have as opposed to what they have. Hell, I might be one of the last true Colonialists that challenges the Crowns assertions of subservience. Because I believe that if you come here to work hard, then you are a brother. If you believe that despite draconian rules, regulations and taxation, imposed by a formerly Republican government, that has so polluted the ideals of our founders, you simply wish to have an opportunity, not a guarantee, of a better life, then I consider you more of a brother than all the politicians and functionaries that eat out our substance.
I've made my point. Immigrants are not your problem. Immigrants would actually find the Republican principles of our founding appealing. If they could be assimilated into a society that held these principles close. The problem is your fellow Americunts. The immigrants just want to come here, work hard, and have a better life than what they experienced under their former regime. Americunts just want the government to regulate and tax for their particular offence. Are immigrants your personal offence? Do you want government to regulate and tax for your particular offence? If so you might be an Ameri$#@!.
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