Why does libertarianism feel so 20th century?

[TheCount]

But libertarians are a minority, Atheism leads to statism because the average mans reaction to being told there is no GOD is to ignore his neighbors GOD given rights and seek to impose his will on everybody.

I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. There's a quite long history of the use of religion to impose the will of men upon other men.

[Swordsmyth]

I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. There's a quite long history of the use of religion to impose the will of men upon other men.

SOME religious societies have acted that way, ALL Atheistic societies have.

[Anti Federalist]

Why does libertarianism feel so 20th century?

Because liberty is as outdated and unwanted as a bowler hat or polyester disco suit.

People hate it and do not want it.

[heavenlyboy34]

Because liberty is as outdated and unwanted as a bowler hat or polyester disco suit.

People hate it and do not want it.

Best answer^^

[euphemia]

Libertarians are split on abortion, but most are against it in my experience

No they aren't. The party powerful keep putting up big government death candidates. We've had that conversation before.

[euphemia]

The problem is the libertarians themselves. Ron Paul was the last chance to have a reasoned, logical leader. Most libertarians would not agree on even a few issues to put a platform forward. The ship has sailed. Ther won't be smaller government and we will all be forced into dependency. Thanks a whole lot.

[Anti Federalist]

The problem is the libertarians themselves. Ron Paul was the last chance to have a reasoned, logical leader. Most libertarians would not agree on even a few issues to put a platform forward. The ship has sailed. Ther won't be smaller government and we will all be forced into dependency. Thanks a whole lot.

Nonsense.

Ron's candidacy brought disparate libertarian factions together and unified them in a united front like never before.

Ron himself was a, mostly, flawless messenger: sane, rational, accomplished, and personally upright. His only possible flaw as a candidate was a lack of powerful speaking skills.

"We" didn't do anything wrong.

Ron, and what he represented, was, and still is, rejected by the vast majority of people in this country.

[r3volution 3.0]

No they aren't. The party powerful keep putting up big government death candidates. We've had that conversation before.

I was referring to (l)ibertarians not (L)ibertarians. Most (l)ibertarians aren't (L)ibertarians.

The most influential (l)ibertarian in modern history, Ron Paul, is pro-life.

[Ender]

Nonsense.

Ron's candidacy brought disparate libertarian factions together and unified them in a united front like never before.

Ron himself was a, mostly, flawless messenger: sane, rational, accomplished, and personally upright. His only possible flaw as a candidate was a lack of powerful speaking skills.

"We" didn't do anything wrong.

Ron, and what he represented, was, and still is, rejected by the vast majority of people in this country.

^^THIS^^

[r3volution 3.0]

The problem is the libertarians themselves. Ron Paul was the last chance to have a reasoned, logical leader. Most libertarians would not agree on even a few issues to put a platform forward. The ship has sailed. Ther won't be smaller government and we will all be forced into dependency. Thanks a whole lot.

I'm not sure who you're complaining about.

I seem to recall you personally going ape$#@! over "a few issues" where Johnson was unlibertarian, even though he was only a protest vote.

Did you support Rand during the primaries?

[PierzStyx]

literally hitler

Sure. But Hitler muddies the waters because Nazism brings in the issue of racism. Fascism is certain extremely prejudicial, but that prejudice is built along nationalist lines instead of racial lines. Mussolini, for example, never had the hatred of Jews that Hitler did and round ups of Italian Jews only happened after Germany had occupied Northern and Central Italy.

Better examples of Fascism are Mussolini, Franco, and Peron. They were nationalists, which is one of the few features that defines Fascism as separate from Socialism, and they believed in cultural superiority. But they weren't necessarily racists.

[PierzStyx]

The problem is the libertarians themselves. Ron Paul was the last chance to have a reasoned, logical leader. Most libertarians would not agree on even a few issues to put a platform forward. The ship has sailed. Ther won't be smaller government and we will all be forced into dependency. Thanks a whole lot.

Nonsense. These leaders exist even now. The issue is that people are too wound up in their fears and miseducation to open their eyes.

[r3volution 3.0]

Sure. But Hitler muddies the waters because Nazism brings in the issue of racism. Fascism is certain extremely prejudicial, but that prejudice is built along nationalist lines instead of racial lines. Mussolini, for example, never had the hatred of Jews that Hitler did and round ups of Italian Jews only happened after Germany had occupied Northern and Central Italy.

Better examples of Fascism are Mussolini, Franco, and Peron. They were nationalists, which is one of the few features that defines Fascism as separate from Socialism, and they believed in cultural superiority. But they weren't necessarily racists.

Well said, but it's only a matter of degree.

[osan]

Cannot say I care for the author's style, but he did well enough to up to the point he asked who are the libertarians. At that point things went largely into the toilet.

[The Rebel Poet]

The OP has some decent points. But to use the 20th century analogy the libertarians could and should find where they can work with social/paleo-cons. The Alt Right, is not paleo-conservative, in fact the Alt Right does not stand for anything concrete. They are most comparable to a little pagan religion with their pantheon of minor gods , they sacrifice to Trump, Pepe, Milo, Kek, and so on. One day they might decry social liberal SJW's, the next they will whoop and holler about how the Alt Right is the real pro homosexuality movement because they love Milo, and the SJW's want to impose Sharia law. The main tenants of the alt right cult is immaturity, one can't have an alliance with them because they are brainless turds who know even less about how to succeed in politics than libertarians do.

Mature individuals from the old paleo-conservative Right like Pat Buchanan have something to offer. The Alt Right is nothing but reverse feminists and reverse antifa. Perhaps some of them will move towards liberty but right now they are hopeless.

+rep