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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Come on, I've been a member of Ron Paul forums since 2008 and your talking to me like I just fell off a turnip truck. What in the world gave you the impression that I didn't already know that the government does corrupt things like that, and that marijuana is perfectly safe? (and your grandmother is not better looking than me! )

    You're lucky everyone in your family is healthy but it's probably due more to your genes, than anything else - just the luck of the draw. Some of us are born predisposed to certain diseases and there aren't always steps one can take which will alter that course.

    Guys, I've read all the classic herbals, newer herbals, a couple recent books on herbal medicines, a bunch of old "materia medica"/Formulary/Dispensatory type books from the late 1800's/early 1900s, and looked into essential oils. I like the idea of natural medicines, but nothing in these books treats the kind of pain I'm thinking about.

    When the pain is due to irreparable damage - when the disks in your spine finally flatten completely and dry up, and your vertabrae start growing osteophytes which choke your spinal cord and the nerves that branch off of it to other parts of your body - only an opiate helps. I'll settle for having only 1 or 2 (maybe 3?) good days out of the week if it keeps me from getting addicted.
    The disks in your spine do not have to flatten if you know how to take care of yourself and it's more than just herbs for illness.

    Many diseases, including cancer, are caused from lack of oxygen. Almost everyone in the western world breathes backwards- w/o correct breathing your body cannot use oxygen as it is meant to.

    And my grandmother is probably better looking than you- most people think she's 40- and she's also brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    We're probably not talking about the same idea in the matter of "prevention" and maintaining good health. I've known some pretty decent doctors but I have yet to see one teach how to naturally prevent anything.

    And, the gov stops many "alternative" treatments. Like the Amish guy going to jail for 6 years for a slave that has hurt no one.

    And Peace backatcha.
    Yeah, I should have said "no people are stopping you other than the goonerment goonsquad"... We have no argument here as to what a bunch of sheitheads they are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    I just did a search on largest lawsuits and guess what?? They weren't pharma related... Where do you get this stuff?? The "top 20" pharma lawsuits don't even add up to the tobacco suit...
    The following is a list of the 20 largest settlements reached between the United States Department of Justice and pharmaceutical companies from 1991 to 2012, ordered by the size of the total settlement. The settlement amount includes both the civil (False Claims Act) settlement and criminal fine. Glaxo's $3 billion settlement included the largest civil, False Claims Act settlement on record,[1] and Pfizer’s $2.3 billion settlement including a record-breaking $1.3 billion criminal fine.[2]
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    Pharmaceutical Companies Causing 106,000 Deaths a Year

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    In fact, the drug industry now tops all other industries in the total amount of fraud payments for actions against the federal government under the False Claims Act.

    In August of last year, the Bureau of Investigative Journalists also shed some much needed light on the vast corruption within the pharmaceutical industry. A large number of pharmaceutical companies are guilty of fraud, cover-ups of fatal side effects, and huge kickbacks paid to doctors.

    A total of 19 drug companies also made AllBusiness.com’s Top 100 Corporate Criminals List for the 1990s. Charges run the gamut from international price-setting, illegal marketing, false claims, hiding serious problems with their drugs and, in one case (Ortho, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson), obstruction of justice and eight counts of persuading employees to destroy documents in a federal investigation.

    Between those three sources alone, there’s no longer a shred of doubt that the pharmaceutical industry is officially the most crime-infested and crooked industry on the planet—at least in terms of criminal activities that are actually being caught, pursued and prosecuted. (For a running list of the most recent news on False Claims Act cases, see the Taxpayers Against Fraud site.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Wait... I just used that same list of 20 pharma lawsuits in my last post to prove you wrong. Now you are trying to use it to prove you right??? Did you even read my post?? I stated that this list of 20 "largest" is not the largest suits in the world. Not even close. Add them all together and they don't even equal the ONE lawsuit against big tobacco. (You must have missed this point...)

    But wait... One can claim they are the biggest "among pharma companies"... Yes, what exactly does that prove? I can present a list of biggest lawsuits against railroad operators. That's nothing more a list against railroad operators...

    Without actually doing any research on it, I'd say the biggest crooks are the banking industry... but that's just me...

    P.S. your deaths in 10 years graphic is "sourcing" JAMA 1998. Do you know that?? First I would question the "study" and second, that's some pretty old data...
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    Attorney Tells All: How the U.S. Courts Shield Big Pharma from Liability


    It’s not easy to sue Big Pharma. But, legal firm Baum Hedlund has been doing it for years. Unfortunately, as pharmaceutical deceit and side-effects grow, it’s getting exponentially more difficult. After all, using prescription drugs as prescribed is the top killer in the USA. I reached out to attorney Michael Baum to get a behind-the-scenes look at how this growing monster is shielded from liability by our court system. Baum generously agreed to share his candid insights. If you or a loved one are taking prescription meds — make sure you read this interview closely.

    TPC #1: Does the court system protect the pharmaceutical industry from liability? If so, how?
    Mr. Baum: Yes. The court system has made it very expensive for claims to be made against pharmaceutical companies for injuries. For instance, drug lawsuits require expert testimony from a person with a related PhD and/or MD level education. Otherwise, the case may be thrown out before going to trial.

    This makes suing drug companies pricey because the experts charge high hourly rates to offset the “cost” of going up against the same entities that pay for grants, lucrative industry jobs and coveted academic positions.

    Furthermore, many judges now have gate-keeping authority to reject cutting-edge science that goes against the status-quo — what the rest of the scientific community “believes.” Drug companies are able to foster “established beliefs” with hundreds of millions of dollars in marketing aimed at physicians, medical journals, academic opinion leaders, and professional organizations of scientists. Once those marketed messages become pervasive, use of the drug becomes the standard of care. So overcoming that impression is like convincing a court the emperor is not wearing new clothes, which can be very difficult.

    TPC #2: What are the ramifications of this conflict, on the average U.S. citizen?
    Mr. Baum: The expense itself can make bringing an individual case prohibitive. We now have to combine cases to spread the cost. Unfortunately, courts (and legislative actions) have whittled away using these class actions for drug injuries.They now say that each person’s damage is unique and not common across a class, even if they suffer the same injury, e.g. a heart attack.

    Combining many claimants into lawsuits is still possible, but it requires enough similarly injured people to justify a consolidated action. Finding lawyers qualified and willing to take on the detailed investigation and pay out the expense of engaging experts is itself a big hurdle. Drug companies can afford to make lawsuits long and difficult, so financing such litigation with qualified, available lawyers can be a barrier to an average U.S. citizen pursuing a drug case.

    There’s also the pill-popping culture that causes an additional barrier. Many injuries occur after a person has been prescribed a number of drugs. Separating out one drug’s effect from another adds another level of complication. Thus, many law firms and courts will reject cases unless it is clear that the likely culprit is one particular drug.

    TPC #3: If a drug has been proven ineffective and dangerous in a court of law, why is it still on the market?
    Mr. Baum: A court is not the FDA, so it does not have the power to recall a drug. An individual court finding that the drug was not effective and harmful to one person may not indicate that there are others that may benefit from the drug. So court cases are not used to dictate what can or can’t be on the market.

    Most drugs are essentially dangerous chemicals that have benefits that outweigh their risks. If court trials show that a warning was not adequate, labeling can be modified to address that.

    In the context of pediatric prescribing of an antidepressant like Paxil or Celexa, litigation showed that the drugs did not out-perform placebo. It also showed that they doubled the risk of suicidal behavior. Eventually, the FDA required a black box warning about the risks, but the marketing and clinical experience of the placebo effect convinced many doctors to keep prescribing them. Plus, the studies proven false in litigation don’t necessarily end up getting corrected or withdrawn.

    One such infamous study, Paxil 329, is still published and cited by other studies in favor of the drug, despite widespread recognition that it was ghostwritten and contained false information. Again, the marketing created the impression of safety and efficacy. A counter-marketing campaign has not occurred to correct the mis-impressions created by the initial marketing and ghostwritten articles.

    TPC #4: How do drug companies get away with false advertising? Has a pharmaceutical company ever been convicted in court for false advertising?
    Mr. Baum: I guess the short answer is they get away with it until they get caught. Whistleblower cases and product liability lawsuits have exposed many fraudulent campaigns, resulting in large fines or verdicts. I think many of the methods used during the 90’s and up till recently (ghostwriting, bribing with dinners, entertainment tickets, trips, or opinion leader status) have been curtailed to some degree by such lawsuits.

    As with many frauds, they are coated with some truth — they used self-funded and ghostwritten or controlled study results to promote benefits and minimize risks. Once published by cooperative journals, the studies can be circulated by sales representatives to physicians. It takes a while for the courts and scientific community to catch up with these tricks, if ever.

    TPC #5: In your experiencing suing drug companies (whose dangerous drugs are APPROVED by the FDA) — would you say the FDA is doing its job at protecting patients?
    Mr. Baum: There are some elements of the FDA that are trying to protect consumers. Other factions consider the pharmaceutical companies to be their “clients” since the FDA is partially funded by the companies through the Prescription Drug User Fee Act (PDUFA).

    The volume of work the FDA must do to monitor the risks — with all the drugs already on the market, plus the drugs trying to get on the market — can result in subtle problems getting masked by “summaries” of data provided by the companies. In other words, an overworked FDA can end up simply relaying information spoon fed to them by Big Pharma. This is counter to what the FDA was set up for, which was to act as a non-biased third party to business interests.

    TPC #6: Does a black box warning really have much influence over whether or not people choose to take the drug? (Does anyone even bother to READ those warnings?)
    Mr. Baum: A black box warning is a good step in the right direction. But it may not be enough to overcome the misimpression created by the massive marketing campaigns that preceded the black box warnings. This is a clear case of Mark Twain’s observation, “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

    TPC #7: Is the lack of sufficient warning on medications the biggest problem here? Or is it that drug makers are allowed to sell products that require such warnings in the first place?
    Mr. Baum: Any medication may have risks that are worth taking for the needed benefits — antibiotics can prevent an infection from becoming fatal, but they adversely affect other useful bacteria in the gut. Adequate warnings with appropriate guidance make it possible for drugs with some harmful side effects to be used effectively and safely.


    The problem I see is the excess influence of pharmaceutical money in the marketing, medical education, professional publications, public media direct-to-consumer advertising, political donations, and lobbyists. These have resulted in a system that enables drug dangers to go uncorrected too long at the expense of public health.

    TPC #8: What do you personally believe needs to CHANGE about the pharmaceutical drug industry as a whole?
    Mr. Baum: I think it would be useful to stop direct-to-consumer advertising. The current media are too dependent on Pharma marketing dollars. Therefore, they are unable and unwilling to critically analyze proclaimed benefits and potential harms of drugs. This has crushed unbiased reporting and journalism. Intrepid reporters’ stories can end up not getting aired to protect the advertising income.

    Further, pharmaceutical companies should not be allowed to fund “educational” dinners, seminars, or continuing medical education on drugs they have a profit motive to positively influence.

    Ghostwriting of clinical trial results needs to be exposed. The patient data from clinical trials (with patient identifying information protected) should be available so that scientists can see what actually happened, not just the spin that the pharmaceutical marketing departments were able to maneuver into print.

    Lobbyist armies should be curtailed to prevent excessive legislative influence. Approval boards and advisory committees should not have members on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies, directly or indirectly. Company documents obtained in litigation should be more easily made public, especially when they don’t involve actual trade secrets and would affect public safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    I stated that this list of 20 "largest" is not the largest suits in the world. Not even close. Add them all together and they don't even equal the ONE lawsuit against big tobacco. (You must have missed this point...)
    Actually, you apparently missed this statement (or chose to ignore it):

    Glaxo's $3 billion settlement included the largest civil, False Claims Act settlement on record,[1] and Pfizer’s $2.3 billion settlement including a record-breaking $1.3 billion criminal fine.[2]
    If you think a single lawsuit against a tobacco company, or railroad, etc. was larger and contradicts this, then supply the link/evidence.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    P.S. your deaths in 10 years graphic is "sourcing" JAMA 1998. Do you know that?? First I would question the "study" and second, that's some pretty old data...
    Yes, it is old. It is much larger today. Hospital deaths due to medical errors alone is the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S. according to multiple sources, so if you include deaths due to prescription drugs, the medical system is easily the leading cause of death in the U.S. today.

    Hospital Errors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in U.S.

    Death of Americans: The Medical System is Now the Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S.

    Could Your Hospital be Killing You?

    Is Medicine Really the Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, or the First?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Actually, you apparently missed this statement (or chose to ignore it):



    If you think a single lawsuit against a tobacco company, or railroad, etc. was larger and contradicts this, then supply the link/evidence.




    Yes, it is old. It is much larger today. Hospital deaths due to medical errors alone is the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S. according to multiple sources, so if you include deaths due to prescription drugs, the medical system is easily the leading cause of death in the U.S. today.

    Hospital Errors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in U.S.

    Death of Americans: The Medical System is Now the Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S.

    Could Your Hospital be Killing You?

    Is Medicine Really the Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, or the First?
    26 Billion against R.J. Reynolds Tobacco comes to mind. You add all 20 of your pharma cases above and they don't even come close. If you want to specify only "criminal" then the Glaxo one above was (something like) 1.6 billion for criminal penalty (but who's counting?) There are so many more cases in the billions all you have to do is google it if you want more...

    Your JAMA reference is totally worthless. They give a number claiming "deaths" but the don't specifically say that the "deaths" came about by patients using their prescribed medicine AS DIRECTED or were people purposely using drugs not prescribed to them and dosing higher than instructions say?? I suspect these are very cooked numbers and the number of deaths attributed to drugs used as directed by a doctor are pretty small. We have over 15,000 patients and we know of no such cases. We have a "free" subscription to JAMA that comes to our office every month. It goes straight to the trash. There just isn't much good info there...

    Hospital deaths due to medical errors the 3rd leading cause in the US?? Common sense tells you this is a fabricated number. "Based on an analysis of prior research, the Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors."... That sounds like another way of saying "Hell, we don't know but I'll shoot this huge number out there so we can get some press"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    26 Billion against R.J. Reynolds Tobacco comes to mind. You add all 20 of your pharma cases above and they don't even come close. .
    Here is again. I know this is hard for you to understand:

    Glaxo's $3 billion settlement included the largest civil, False Claims Act settlement on record,[1] and Pfizer’s $2.3 billion settlement including a record-breaking $1.3 billion criminal fine.[2]
    These are single cases - not an entire industry. But if you wanted to change the argument to entire industries, I think you would come up short there as well.

    So if you have a single lawsuit settlement larger than either one of these, please provide it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Hospital deaths due to medical errors the 3rd leading cause in the US?? Common sense tells you this is a fabricated number.
    Depends how you define "common sense" then I suppose. I prefer facts.

    These facts about hospital deaths are not even in dispute. Many sources have published them, and the one interviewed on the daytime TV show "The Doctors" at this link provided above, is with surgeon Martin Makary, M.D., M.P.H who serves as the co-director of The Johns Hopkins Quality and Safety Research Group (QSRG), and details his findings in his book Unaccountable: What Hospitals Won’t Tell You and How Transparency Can Revolutionize Health Care. Click on the link, watch the interview, and learn just how useless your "common sense" is.

    You have provided no evidence whatsoever to back up your beliefs and "common sense," so continuing this discussion with your circular reasoning is fruitless.
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    Statin Cholesterol-Lowering Drugs A Giant Hoax; Add Just Four Days To Your Life

    By Bill Sardi

    July 17, 2017

    What we now observe is a blistering condemnation of cholesterol-lowering statin drugs coming out of news sources in Great Britain with absolute silence on the subject from US-based news agencies.

    The scathing denunciation of statin drugs emanates from The Pharmaceutical Journal in the UK that declares the cholesterol hypothesis of cardiovascular disease is “dead.”

    The prevalent mantra that statins are “life-savers” and that “people will die” if they discontinue statins, as well as advice “everyone over 50 should be on a statin drug,” is based upon “cherry-picking” of the data say investigators. A review of 44 published trials of statin drugs finds among subjects taking statins to prevent heart attacks, these pills only add 4 days to one’s life!

    Even the newly introduced evolocumab (Repatha), which is an injected drug that reduces circulating cholesterol by a whopping 60% only reduced the incidence of non-fatal heart attacks by 1.5%.

    Hoax on humanity

    The revelation that Big Pharma and its minions of medical journal editors and medical journalists have pulled off a giant hoax on humanity is an example of the growing realization of a cabal that continues to perpetrate medical falsehoods under the guise of science.

    French researchers conclude it is possible “nobody benefits from statins.”

    The Cochrane global network of researchers who analyze the risks and benefits of medicines calls for a “do not resuscitate” order on cholesterol as the cause of heart disease.” This means, bury the cholesterol paradigm now and forever. But again, this clarion call is coming from British-based news press.

    Don’t expect a U turn anytime soon

    Certainly such a ruse represents a whopper of a lie. About a quarter of Americans over 45 years of age take statins as pharmaceutical companies rake in billions of dollars in sales.

    Will any of the recent revelations about statin drugs change the course of modern medicine? Will guidelines for medical care of patients who have experienced heart attacks and those who are at higher risk (primary prevention) be scrapped?

    Investigators write in The Pharmaceutical Journal: “When looking at the totality of the evidence, the sobering results of these studies have left many doctors wondering whether the directive to lower LDL-C aggressively using pharmacotherapy has been misguided. ‘Big Pharma’ has certainly triumphed, yet the patients have not… Furthermore, contrary to reports about stopping statins as a consequence of media How Statin Drugs Reall... James B. and Hannah Yo... Best Price: $11.18 Buy New $14.97 scare stories about side effects resulting in thousands of heart attacks and deaths, there is no scientific evidence from registry data of a single person suffering such a fate.”

    These investigators suggest the abandonment of cholesterol as the prevailing paradigm in modern medicine and replacement with “insulin resistance” as the true culprit behind cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity.

    They claim correction of insulin resistance could prevent 42% of heart attacks. They put the blame on dietary practices, namely intake of refined sugars and refined carbohydrates (bread, pasta, cereals and rice). They lambast public health authorities for misdirected dietary guidelines.

    The one Health journalist who dared to reveal all about statin drugs, Dr. Maryanne Demasi, was attacked for questioning the statin/cholesterol propaganda. Obviously, other intimidated journalists decided to fall in line and not speak out.

    Statin drug profits

    Statins as a class represent the world’s most successful selling drug. The first 14.5 years of marketing Lipitor, the world’s leading statin drug, generated $125 billion in sales. Lipitor was introduced in 1997.

    Did the weight of the scientific evidence carry statin drugs to the top of the list in drug sales? Or was it influence peddling by the drug industry that buoyed statin drugs on Wall Street?

    The prescription drug industry is reported to have spent $5.2 billion on advertising drugs directly to consumers in 2015. Lipitor: Thief of Memo... M.D. Duane Graveline Best Price: $6.88 Buy New $15.49

    While conflict of interest disclosures are required for authors of published studies, the news media, which is the recipient of billions of dollars of advertising dollars from Big Pharma, has obvious conflicts of interest that go undisclosed, especially by ignoring the present breaking news emanating out of Great Britain over the ineffectiveness of statin drug.

    The evening news on television in the US is virtually owned by pharmaceutical companies.

    Should direct-to-consumer drug ads be banned?

    The American Medical Association did call for a complete ban on direct-to-consumer advertising of drugs in 2015.

    National Public Radio characterized direct-to-consumer drug advertising as “selling sickness.”

    A recent article in the Los Angeles Times says direct-to-consumer drug advertising is a “bad idea that is about to get worse.” The article says burgeoning health care costs coincided with the green light given by the FDA in 1997 for these ads.

    There has been talk in Congress for a couple of years now of eliminating financial incentives doctors have for prescribing the most expensive drugs, but nothing substantial has been done. Congress is likely to grandstand hearings but stop short of outlawing direct-to-consumer advertising altogether.

    With Big Pharma spending $2.6 billion on lobbying Congressional representatives between 1998 thru 2012, bribery is alive and well in Washington DC. Do Congressmen recuse themselves from voting on pharmaceutical drugs or even disclose during hearings of their The Statin Damage Crisis Dr. Duane Graveline M.... acceptance of donations from the pharmaceutical lobby? Hell no! Congressmen ought to wear hats emblazoned with the names of their sponsors like winners of auto races do.

    Big Pharma has also enlisted big-time professors at major medical institutions to endorse their products. For example, experts at top universities have been active in promoting new $1000/day cures for hepatitis C.

    Recently it was revealed how drug companies gouge insurance pools. For example, a compound drug for gastroesophageal reflux that sells for $9027 was found be comprised of individual elements that cost $20. The two components for a $1471 anti-migraine drug were found to cost only $37 when purchased individually.

    It’s even been suggested that the US government buy out a drug company to save money.

    Will investment advisors begin to advise their clients to bet against Big Pharma’s stocks as Congress considers restrictions on the industry? Just wait till Big Pharma enters the marijuana market. Imagine the direct-to-consumer ads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Here is again. I know this is hard for you to understand:



    These are single cases - not an entire industry. But if you wanted to change the argument to entire industries, I think you would come up short there as well.

    So if you have a single lawsuit settlement larger than either one of these, please provide it.



    Depends how you define "common sense" then I suppose. I prefer facts.

    These facts about hospital deaths are not even in dispute. Many sources have published them, and the one interviewed on the daytime TV show "The Doctors" at this link provided above, is with surgeon Martin Makary, M.D., M.P.H who serves as the co-director of The Johns Hopkins Quality and Safety Research Group (QSRG), and details his findings in his book Unaccountable: What Hospitals Won’t Tell You and How Transparency Can Revolutionize Health Care. Click on the link, watch the interview, and learn just how useless your "common sense" is.

    You have provided no evidence whatsoever to back up your beliefs and "common sense," so continuing this discussion with your circular reasoning is fruitless.
    I don't understand how a "liberty" type person can be so closed minded!! I cited a "single case" (R.J Reynolds - you even quoted it). Don't bother (again) quoting your 3 (three) cases that pale in comparison to it. Use a good search engine and you will find many many more.

    You say you prefer "facts" and I've provided our own experience with thousands of patients over a period of 14 years (that's "facts"). Experiences are facts and someone who understands the fight against our liberty should be well aware of the tricks used in publications (like JAMA) to twist facts into propaganda. If you are so afraid of dying in the hospital I suggest that if you are injured and bleeding you don't go there... You will be so much safer...
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