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    POTUS Trump Says America Has Always Affirmed That Liberty Comes From “Our Creator” (VIDEO)

    POTUS Trump Says America Has Always Affirmed That Liberty Comes From “Our Creator”

    Matt Miller Jul 2nd, 2017 12:13 pm

    Washington D.C. – President Trump held a “Celebrate Freedom Rally” at the Kennedy Center Saturday, celebrating the great servicemen and women of America.

    President Trump said in his speech, “Since the signing of the Declaration of Independence, America has always affirmed that liberty comes from our Creator”. Finally! A President unafraid to stand for veterans and God!



    The President’s powerful speech is a positive message to military veterans and civilians alike. “Since the signing of the Declaration of Independence, America has always affirmed that liberty comes from our Creator,… no earthly force can ever take those rights away.”

    Trump’s America is a nation that remembers where it came from and promises to uphold the values and principles that made it great in the first place. Boldly stating the Judaeo-Christian origins of American liberty instead of apologizing for them, as Obama did, is an honest affirmation of American greatness.

    In contrast, Obama once compared Christians to ISIS, referencing the Crusades that occurred centuries ago as a RESPONSE to Islamic armies butchering their way across nations.



    A change in attitude towards Christians and God in the White House is a big step in the right direction.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...zen.yandex.com
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Delicious, delicious propaganda. Continue pumping out that wonderfully delicious bull crap to keep the masses distracted and consumed with meaningless garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Delicious, delicious propaganda. Continue pumping out that wonderfully delicious bull crap to keep the masses distracted and consumed with meaningless garbage.
    You are free to speak your mind. I disagree with it, nevertheless.

    Trump just signed an EO eliminating the Johnson Amendment. I am very happy to see that. The pastors (Black Robe Regiment) were a critical turning point in the 1770's. That so-called tax exemption literally put a gag order on every pastor in our country.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Trump just signed an EO eliminating the Johnson Amendment. I am very happy to see that. The pastors (Black Robe Regiment) were a critical turning point in the 1770's. That so-called tax exemption literally put a gag order on every pastor in our country.
    Pastors are free to preach about social and political issues all they want. What they can't do is use their pulpit to promote candidates for federal offices while being subsidized by the taxpayers. The same applies to all other 501(c)(3) nonprofits, such as universities.
    Last edited by Sonny Tufts; 07-03-2017 at 08:22 AM.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
    Erwin N. Griswold

    Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
    Anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Pastors are free to preach about social and political issues all they want. What they can't do is use their pulpit to promote candidates for federal offices while being subsidized by the taxpayers. The same applies to all other 501(c)(3) nonprofits, such as universities.
    What Happens When The Church Is Not Free?

    by: Pastor Garrett Lear



    “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32 KJV). O.K., I confess, I love The Lord Jesus Christ. I love and trust God’s Word (The Holy Bible) pure and unadulterated straight up and in your face! You see I have tested it and I know it is true. I am certainly not the only person in this world who has had this same attitude or a Biblical worldview. I am also not the only American who has loved God and taken Him at His Word either. The Founding Fathers of America did.

    I will also confess that I love this land America, my native land…the land of my birth. I must admit, though, that I am struggling with a high degree of disappointment over the direction that this, my favorite country is heading in. When you grow up in a historical town, Lexington Massachusetts, like I did… when you walk by the Minuteman statue practically everyday during your formative years and watch yearly reenactments of The Battle Of Lexington something profound happens to you. My appetite for freedom was whet very early in my life. Also set early in my life was a love for God and to this day, I do not see any conflict between being a devoted Christian and being a true American patriot. Our Founders did not have a conflict between their love for God and their love for America either…for me that is good company to stand with.

    The greatest traitors that our country, in fact, the whole world must deal with, are those black hearted people I call “revisionist historians”. They are those pseudo scholars that alter the truth to meet their desired ends. In America, this brood of vipers has kept many of our countrymen from knowing the truth about the founding of this Nation as “One Nation under God”… and what happens when the church is not free.

    How many “modern” Americans know that those much maligned and slandered Pilgrim/Puritans who landed at what is now Plymouth Massachusetts signed a sacred covenant with The Lord called The Mayflower Compact (America’s “birth certificate”)? How many know that the primary “slogan” of The War For American Independence (some call the Revolutionary War) was … ”We will have no other king but King Jesus”? How many know that of the majority of the signers of that marvelous cornerstone of American liberty, The Declaration Of American Independence, were devote, baptized, open, consecrated Christians? Let me give you the answer… not many and certainly not enough! What happens when the church is not free?

    Today, this country spends billions of dollars on “education” but what have we gotten for these tax-extracted dollars? We have gotten a general population that is ignorant of some of the most important parts of our heritage. One of our founders was empathetic in noting that “ ignorant and free can never be”. Can you see now why I chose the Scripture verse I did to began this writing?

    In the town of Lexington is a well preserved (thank God and some patriots) two story colonial house called The Hancock-Clark house named for two great Christians of the founding era…two great patriots, John Hancock and Jonas Clark. Most people are more familiar with Hancock than they are with Clark.

    Please allow me to introduce him to you… people meet Pastor Jonas Clark. Are you shocked? You mean some one who was a clergyman, a church leader and a pulpit preacher got involved with “politics” and the cause of liberty? Can you imagine he had the “audacity” to harbor the known “criminals” John Hancock and Samuel Adams in the parsonage (church property)? Just before the British troops arrived in Lexington for that battle of note (“the shot heard around the world”), Pastor Clark delivered a rousing and inspirational message from Judges 6-8 encouraging the local militiamen to (the minutemen) fight fiercely for God and country. He knew what would happen if the church was not free. Now, stay with me, as I further lay out my case.

    Is there any one in America today that would say that the church is really like what it was in the first century? Does any one care that it isn’t? I care. If you are a Christian, you will care too! Many will argue that the world is so vastly different than the first century but is it really? Jesus Christ began the church, that He expected to follow Him through the ages, in the Roman Empire. I certainly wouldn’t insult your intelligence to say that those times were the same as ours in areas of technology but do not be deceived, governmentally, socially, morally, behaviorally, they were very similar. I wish it were not so.

    The beginning of the true New Testament Church was on The Day of Pentecost as recorded in the Book of Acts. Jesus declared His church (His Father’s House) not be a “ a house of merchandize…but a house of prayer”. He said His Kingdom was not of this world and emphasized the distinctions between His followers and the rest of the population. All of the early church leaders were martyred (killed) for their refusal to put devotion to Caesar (government) above devotion to God. They knew and understood the Ten Commandments (not the Ten Suggestions) and had the mind of Christ in regards to the proper role of civil government. A “mind set” we desperately need today. What happens when the church is not free?

    Many casual Bible readers have been put off by the “difficulties” of the Book of Revelation. Let me offer an explanation for its symbolism… the Roman government! If the Apostle John, as the “secretary” for The Holy Sprit writing it, had clearly spelled out what He wanted the readers to do concerning civil disobedience, the Romans would never have let those writings leave the island of Patmos (remind you of any other times in history). Believe it or not the Romans did have “ freedom of religion”… if … you accepted Caesar as God and took a license for your “church”… neither of which, the early New Testament Christians, in good conscience, could or would do! It was considered blasphemy and the way of destroying the truth of The Gospel. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

    It is amazing what one can learn reading someone’s diary. When we read the Bible, we are reading the way the Creator (The One mentioned in The Declaration of American Independence) wants life to be for us. When we read the writings of the Founders of the Plymouth colony and the writings of the Founders of America, we find out how educated these people were in tyranny. They were willing to die (and many did) to avoid it like the black plague. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

    The U.S. Constitution was crafted by men who did not want to repeat the atrocities of the state run church…(they had read about the “whore of Babylon and the mark of the beast”) such as was the case through out Europe and certainly in England. King George was both king of the civil government and head of the Anglican Church. Opposition to George was tantamount, in his thinking, to opposing God… although, he personally cared little what God thought about his actions. He knew what would happen if the church was not free. He did his level best to make sure it was not!

    Beginning in the-mid 1770s, preachers began to deliver sermons critical of the abuses of the British rule in the American colonies. Many colonists were stirred up in a similar way that had happened in England with the Puritans/Pilgrims in pre-Plymouth colony days. The truth was told and freedom was prized… but, as with all such situations throughout man’s history, not without a heavy price.

    By the time of the War for American Independence, those preachers had a bounty on their heads… and for what? Preaching the truth…opposing tyranny…teaching the colonial citizens to stand up for their God given -freedoms and take responsibility for their walk with Christ. It became a capitol crime and preachers and their families were executed. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

    Most Americans know the famous speech delivered by Virginian Patrick Henry (a very committed Christian and a lawyer)… “Give me liberty or give me death!”. Very few people, however, know why he said it. Henry had witnessed the flogging of a colonist by British troops. He, the young lawyer, inquired as to what this man’s crime was… he was told “preaching with out a license”. King George offered some very handsome rewards for the heads of the members of “ The Black Regiment” … the unlicensed, unregistered, “free church” preachers who knew the proper Biblical relationship between church and state… and who the true Sovereign over the church was. They understood when Jesus said; you can not serve two masters, what He meant. They had read and correctly interpreted Romans chapter 13… God gives us limited civil government… not that government gives us God. They loved and feared The Lord and understood what happens when Jesus Christ is not Sovereign over His Church.

    Until recently, you could not incorporate a church in the state of Virginia (the home state of; Patrick Henry; George Washington; Thomas Jefferson; and, James Madison). I have read the original intent of the crafters of our U.S. Constitution. These men knew what they were doing and I believe were guided by God’s hand to set a rule of law for a limited Constitutional Republic which would deliver to its citizens the most freedom, prosperity, and opportunity ever known to man. Eldredge Gerry and Fisher Ames, both fine Christian men, wrote the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, as part of the Bill of Rights. It was to guarantee many things and to protect Americans from the whim of some, humanistic, rogue government, or a meglo-maniacal king). The most precious of these freedoms, to me, is the freedom of religion, which I know they meant to be true Biblical orthodox New Testament Christianity! Not freedom from The Lord or His ways… not freedom from His Sovereignty and His loving guidance but freedom from government hindering The Truth that sets men free and keeps them free happy virtuous and prosperous. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

    What happens when the true Christian church is not free to speak out what needs to be said? Why not ask the Russians, the Romanians, the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Sudanese and the Iraqis. More close to home, what has happened to “One Nation under God”? Are we freer and better off than we were in say, 1953? It sickens me to see the moral and spiritual condition of this great land. America is soul sick. America is confused. America has lost its moral high ground. The church has been silent and we have been hurt because of it. We have lost the direction that comes from a right relationship with our Creator.

    I am not a critic of the true church of Jesus Christ. I am a critic and a repairer of her weaknesses. I am not a critic of America. I am a critic and a repairer of America’s weaknesses. I love America but I love my Lord and Savior more. As a preacher and church leader, the church I lead must be free to speak the truth in love… with out fear of government reprisal for not being politically correct. I need no licensing or official government recognition or empowerment… I have my calling from Jesus Christ and I say that in all humility. It is a big responsibility and a wonderful privilege. Jesus through His sacrifice bought me this freedom and the Founders of America in a blessed covenant with Almighty God secured it with their blood, their sweat and their tears. I will render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s but I will not give him, or any government agency, entity or officer what belongs to God alone. The church must be free or no one will be free. Someone must be there to remind Caesar that he is just a man under God like the rest of us.

    All too often, I have heard preachers say they can not speak out because of the loss of tax exemption or the fear of sanctions and law suits. Why do they voluntarily take on the unnecessary restrictions to free Christian speech, which the 501 c 3 recognition of tax exemption imposes? Yes, voluntarily, because Congress has a long standing recognition of the contribution to the well being of America that is made by the Christian church and the First Amendment “establishment” clause. It is documented that no church needs to apply for IRS recognition. All income to churches is tax “immune”; it is published in the IRS own documents. It seems that church leaders have, like Esau in The Bible, traded their “birthright for a morsel of bread”. What was once considered sacrilegious and not Christian has now become the standard for preachers and churches. Oh, if only they could realize how that displeases The Lord and how they are giving a way a great inheritance, which is secured even by the laws of this land.

    Why are Christian preachers, that have voluntarily taken the IRS stamp of approval (that is the same bureaucracy that calls the worship of satan a church) and state incorporation as non-profit religious businesses, reluctant to speak out against the many immoral and un-Biblical things that are happening in our country? They have signed an agreement saying that they would not speak out against any public policy. It is no wonder that the church in America has been largely silent about the grossest sins of our day and turns its back on the death of unborn children and adulterous presidents. Thank you Father that Jesus and the early church leaders and the Founders of America had the grace and courage to make the right stand. I am a beneficiary of their courage. I will keep the church I lead free and teach others to do the same. In time, America may be returned to her former greatness as the home of a truly free people who love, honor and worship God in spirit and in truth and teach the rest of the world to do the same. The Frenchman, Alexis DeTocqueville, was dispatched to America in the 19th century to find out why America was so strong. He traversed this country, taking note of what he experienced. He later reported that he had “discovered the secret” to America’s greatness. He said that he visited America’s Christian churches and “their pulpits were ablaze with righteousness … America is great because America is good… when America ceases to be good America will cease to be great”. He knew what would happen if the church in America should ever not be free. Alexis knew then, what some do not appear to know now, that it is the mission and responsibility of the true New Testament Church of Jesus Christ to be an ever constant reminder that ”Blessed is the nation whose God is The Lord”(Psalm 33:12).

    These are my strongly held “religious” convictions in my relationship with God as a follower of Christ. For today at least, in America, I am by The Father’s grace with some perseverance and courage on my part, “entitled” to live by them. I will have no other king but King Jesus.

    By Garrett Lear 2003
    http://www.thewelloflivingwater.com/blog/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Quoting a 2003 article:

    The most precious of these freedoms, to me, is the freedom of religion, which I know they meant to be true Biblical orthodox New Testament Christianity!
    If the author is suggesting that the First Amendment doesn't protect the practice of religions that aren't Biblical orthodox New Testament Christianity, he is delusional. One need only read Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments:

    Because we hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, "that Religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence." [Virginia Declaration of Rights, art. 16] The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right...

    Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?...

    Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess and to observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offence against God, not against man: To God, therefore, not to man, must an account of it be rendered.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
    Erwin N. Griswold

    Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
    Anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Delicious, delicious propaganda. Continue pumping out that wonderfully delicious bull crap to keep the masses distracted and consumed with meaningless garbage.
    Meh, I think it was a good thing, to re-enforce that message from the president's bully pulpit.

    Do you disagree with what he said, or his reasons for saying it?

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    I agree with this, basic rights come from our creator, e.g. the right to free healthcare, free internet, UBI, etc
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Pastors are free to preach about social and political issues all they want. What they can't do is use their pulpit to promote candidates for federal offices while being subsidized by the taxpayers. The same applies to all other 501(c)(3) nonprofits, such as universities.
    You are wrong.

    The law prohibits the endorsement of any political candidate.

    The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations

    https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-pr...-organizations

    Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.
    Furthermore, IRS has, in recent decades, taken that rule to mean that not only candidates but political activism of any kind, excepting purely non partisan "voter education and registration efforts", is prohibited as well.

    See the "opposition" line.

    In addition, the IRS, once having revoked 501-3(c) status for violation of this rule, has aggressively gone after taxes owed since the very first filing of exempt status.

    In one case in Ohio that I recall, the church in question had it's land and chapel seized because IRS claimed they owed 35 years of back taxes.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-03-2017 at 11:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You are wrong.

    The law prohibits the endorsement of any political candidate.
    You are correct. I was confusing the 501(c)(3) requirement with the Constitution's ban against religious tests, which applies only to federal offices. The law also prohibits 501(c)(3)'s from having a substantial part of their activities consisting of attempting to influence legislation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    In one case in Ohio that I recall, the church in question had it's land and chapel seized because IRS claimed they owed 35 years of back taxes.
    I wonder what its income consisted of. Presumably the offerings and other donations the church received would be gifts, which are not included in gross income. Maybe it was investment income the church earned on the gifts.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
    Erwin N. Griswold

    Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
    Anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    I wonder what its income consisted of. Presumably the offerings and other donations the church received would be gifts, which are not included in gross income. Maybe it was investment income the church earned on the gifts.
    As far as I know, offerings, donations and gifts to the church are, in fact, considered income, and would be taxable as such, if not applying for 501-3(c) exemptions.

    There have been a number of churches that have elected to do just the opposite in order to avoid compliance with this rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    As far as I know, offerings, donations and gifts to the church are, in fact, considered income, and would be taxable as such, if not applying for 501-3(c) exemptions.
    See IRC Section 102:

    (a)General rule.

    Gross income does not include the value of property acquired by gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance.

    (b)Income.

    Subsection (a) shall not exclude from gross income—
    (1)the income from any property referred to in subsection (a); or
    (2)where the gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance is of income from property, the amount of such income.

    Where, under the terms of the gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance, the payment, crediting, or distribution thereof is to be made at intervals, then, to the extent that it is paid or credited or to be distributed out of income from property, it shall be treated for purposes of paragraph (2) as a gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance of income from property. Any amount included in the gross income of a beneficiary under subchapter J shall be treated for purposes of paragraph (2) as a gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance of income from property.

    (c)Employee gifts.

    (1)In general

    Subsection (a) shall not exclude from gross income any amount transferred by or for an employer to, or for the benefit of, an employee.

    (2)Cross references

    For provisions excluding certain employee achievement awards from gross income, see section 74(c).
    For provisions excluding certain de minimis fringes from gross income, see section 132(e).
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
    Erwin N. Griswold

    Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
    Anonymous

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    “Church Tax Exemption”: Facts About 501c3 You Did Not Know

    Source: Hush Money – Most churches in America have organized as “501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations.” This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping “public policy.”

    Although Johnson proffered this as a “favor” to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.


    For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares “legal,” even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a “chilling effect” upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

    Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

    Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it. Since churches aren’t taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt? It occurs out of:

    Ignorance (“We didn’t know any better”)
    Bandwagon logic (“Everyone else is doing it”)
    Professional advice (many attorneys and CPAs recommend it)
    Does the law require, or even encourage, a church to organize as a 501c3? To answer that question let’s turn to what the IRS itself has to say.

    Churches Need Not Apply

    In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:

    Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include:

    Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automaticallyif they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).

    Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt”

    According to IRS Code § 508(c)(1)(A):

    Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations.

    (a) New organizations must notify secretary that they are applying for recognition of section 501(c)(3) status.
    (c) Exceptions.
    (1) Mandatory exceptions. Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to—
    (A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches.
    This is referred to as the “mandatory exception” rule. Thus, we see from the IRS’ own publications, and the tax code, that it is completely unnecessary for any church to apply for tax-exempt status. In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-exempt.”

    Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Deductible”

    And what about tax-deductibility? Doesn’t a church still need to become a 501c3 so that contributions to it can be taken as a tax deduction? The answer is no! According to IRS Publication 526:

    Organizations That Qualify To Receive Deductible Contributions

    You can deduct your contributions only if you make them to a qualified organization. To become a qualified organization, most organizations other than churches and governments, as described below, must apply to the IRS.

    In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-deductible.”

    Churches Have a Mandatory Exception To Filing Tax Returns

    Not only is it completely unnecessary for any church to seek 501c3 status, to do so becomes a grant of jurisdiction to the IRS by any church that obtains that State favor. In the words of Steve Nestor, IRS Sr. Revenue Officer (ret.):

    “I am not the only IRS employee who’s wondered why churches go to the government and seek permission to be exempted from a tax they didn’t owe to begin with, and to seek a tax deductible status that they’ve always had anyway. Many of us have marveled at how church leaders want to be regulated and controlled by an agency of government that most Americans have prayed would just get out of their lives. Churches are in an amazingly unique position, but they don’t seem to know or appreciate the implications of what it would mean to be free of government control.”
    Source: 501c3 Facts | From the Trenches World Report
    http://worldeventsandthebible.com/20...tml#more-41022
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954.
    Churches were already exempt under Section 101(6) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1939, but only so long as no substantial part of their activities consisted of carrying on propaganda or otherwise attempting to influence legislation. In fact, statutory exemption for churches can be traced back to the 1894 tax act.

    501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

    For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares “legal,” even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status.
    Far from it. The Catholic Church speaks out against abortion all the time, and the Westboro Baptist Church regularly spews its hatred of gays. Neither has had its exempt status revoked. Churches can speak out about the issues so long as they don’t promote a candidate for public office or attempt to influence legislation.

    Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
    Not quite. It is true that the statutes have exempted churches and other educational, scientific, and charitable organizations from taxation, but there are limits. For example, if a church, university or other (c)(3) organization uses its parking lot during the week to conduct a commercial parking business, the income it earns will be taxable. Churches can be subject to many laws that apply to everyone else, including building codes, minimum wage laws, and criminal laws.



    Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it.
    If this were the case, it would follow that under the Free Press Clause no publisher, whether an individual or an organization as big the New York Times, would be taxable on the income earned from its publishing business. Or that under the Free Speech Clause Bill and Hillary Clinton wouldn’t have to pay tax on the ridiculous amounts they get for making speeches. That's not the law.
    Since churches aren’t taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt?
    Some far-out organizations may want the IRS to recognize them as real churches so that their tax-exempt status is clear and that their donations will be deductible by their donors. The “church” of Scientology did so in order to reach a settlement with the IRS under which it was recognized as a church. Even mainstream churches may want the security of getting a letter from the IRS acknowledging that it’s a 501(c)(3) so it can show it to prospective donors. But even if a church never applies for 501(c)(3) status it’s still subject to the rule against influencing legislation and supporting political candidates.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
    Erwin N. Griswold

    Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
    Anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Far from it. The Catholic Church speaks out against abortion all the time, and the Westboro Baptist Church regularly spews its hatred of gays. Neither has had its exempt status revoked. Churches can speak out about the issues so long as they don’t promote a candidate for public office or attempt to influence legislation.
    Court Upholds I.R.S. Penalty For Church Ad In '92 Election
    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/01/us...-election.html

    Not a church but how about the Christian baker who refused to make cake for same-sex couples?

    It has been a slippery slope ever since.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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