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    Why can’t we get this type of bill introduced ending Planned Parenthood funding?

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    Why cant we get this type of bill introduced in Congress?



    A BILL

    To return integrity to the Congress of the United States by ending un-constitutional Federal expenditures to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc.


    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,



    SECTION 1. Short title.


    This Act may be cited as the “Ending un-constitutional Federal Funding to Planned Parenthood Act of 2017”.

    SEC. 2. Findings.

    Congress finds the following:

    (1) That a fundamental principle of constitutional construction requires an adherence to the text of our Constitution and its documented legislative intent, which gives context to its text.

    (2) That after reading the text of our Constitution and reviewing the debates during which time our Constitution was framed and ratified, there is no wording which can be pointed to authorizing Congress to tax for and appropriate federal revenue to an entity which provides medical services to people within a State’s borders.


    (3) That to continue such funding is to engage in a misappropriation of federal revenue, allows Congress to exercise a power not granted, and this in turn creates a factious entity that bribes complicit members of Congress through political contributions and corrupts the very foundation of our system of government.

    SEC. 3. Now, therefore

    (1) Upon passage of this Act in Congress Assembled and the President’s approval, there shall be no more federal revenue appropriated from the Treasury of the United States to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc.,or its affiliates.

    SEC. 4. Rule of Construction.

    Nothing in this Act shall be construed to forbid Federal funding of Congress’ constitutionally authorized functions.


    _________




    JWK


    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.



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    Because singling out a single provider of medical services is a completely ineffective way to approach the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Because singling out a single provider of medical services is a completely ineffective way to approach the problem.
    So change it to "any organization that provides abortions".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Because singling out a single provider of medical services is a completely ineffective way to approach the problem.
    Was it not singled out to get its specific federal funding?


    JWK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So change it to "any organization that provides abortions".
    Still doesn't work because Medicare money goes to the states first before it goes to health care providers. It's not directly allocated to planned parenthood by the federal government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Was it not singled out to get its specific federal funding?


    JWK
    Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Still doesn't work because Medicare money goes to the states first before it goes to health care providers. It's not directly allocated to planned parenthood by the federal government.
    So prohibit states that take Federal healthcare $s from giving money to any organization that provides abortions.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Because singling out a single provider of medical services is a completely ineffective way to approach the problem.
    That is why Congress could make any abortion performing facility ineligible for Medicaid or Title X grants. Only family planning services not performing abortions would be eligible.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Still doesn't work because Medicare money goes to the states first before it goes to health care providers. It's not directly allocated to planned parenthood by the federal government.

    Some of it is directly allocated. An example is Title X money. Part of the reason is because facilities need up front money for operating costs.



    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Was it not singled out to get its specific federal funding?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Nope.
    JWK



    Yes, it was in a de facto way. The Title X Act authorized the construction and development of "family planning" facilities in the 1970s. Many of those were Planned Parenthood and its affiliates. Planned Parenthood performs about one third of the nation's abortions. Abortions have actually dropped nationwide, but interestingly, Planned Parenthood is performing more abortions today (sources below).


    https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/def...rh.46e0414.pdf
    http://www.centerformedicalprogress....000_-_2001.pdf






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    Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 06-30-2017 at 07:35 PM.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So prohibit states that take Federal healthcare $s from giving money to any organization that provides abortions.

    Yes, TheCount is simply uttering the doublespeak of the bureaucrat whose hands are tied because it's just too complicated!. I am sure our very progressive friend is in favor of tax funded abortions and such. You could ask him, but he'll likely decline any real answer and go on to the next big thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So prohibit states that take Federal healthcare $s from giving money to any organization that provides abortions.
    You could do that, and it's been tried.

    But that's an entirely different bill with a different justification and purpose than the bill proposed in the OP. Not sure why you're mentioning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post

    But that's an entirely different bill with a different justification and purpose than the bill proposed in the OP.
    No, it's hardly "entirely" different. It's actually along the same lines, and even more when you considered my post.


    Not sure why you're mentioning it.
    Because it's a discussion forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You could do that, and it's been tried.

    But that's an entirely different bill with a different justification and purpose than the bill proposed in the OP. Not sure why you're mentioning it.
    You have been pointing out "weaknesses" in the OP's bill so I have been pointing out what would need to be added.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    To return integrity to the Congress of the United States by ending un-constitutional Federal expenditures...
    Because you don't start out a bill calling into question the illegality of your sitting colleagues prior decisions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Nope.
    Wrong. A specific amount of money is allocated to Planned Parenthood.

    JWK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You have been pointing out "weaknesses" in the OP's bill so I have been pointing out what would need to be added.
    Spot on! Thank you.

    JWK

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    Why congress refuses to end socialist spending

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Because you don't start out a bill calling into question the illegality of your sitting colleagues prior decisions?
    It seems perfectly clear why the vast majority of those in Congress have no intention to end Planned Parenthood funding. The reason being, it is a cash cow, like other socialist spending, for our Congress critters which rakes in millions upon millions in campaign contributions from those opposed, and those in favor of such funding.

    Ending federal spending and borrowing for the social needs of the people within the various States would end countless factious and dangerous groups which plague the Halls of Capitol Hill for a chance to bribe members of Congress with political campaign donations. One group favoring federal spending for a specific social cause, while another donor group protests such federal expenditures, but in the end, it is a corrupted and evil majority in Congress which knowingly and willingly is benefiting from donors on both sides.

    Keep in mind, to avoid these kinds of political factions on a national scale ___ factions which may be identified as tax-payers vs tax-getters ___ our wise founders refused to delegate a power to Congress over those “… objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” These "objects" were specifically and intentionally left to the discretion of the people within each State! See, Federalist No. 45.

    Unfortunately, with countless “entitlements” having been unconstitutionally created by Congress which now finance the personal economic needs of the people within the various state borders, our national unfunded debt liability has risen to an estimated $125 TRILLION.

    And who are some of the other identifiable factions who may be characterized as tax-getters? Federally subsidized health-care recipients; federally subsidized food stamp recipients; federally subsidized Section Eight Housing recipients; federally funded unemployment benefit recipients; federally funded student loans and grant recipients; and millions of foreigners who have invaded America's borders who are also the recipients of free government cheese.

    If we don’t end Congress’ love affair with financing the social needs and desires of the people within the various state borders, and end federal tax-payer vs tax-getter redistribution policies, we are destined to suffer the same fate as Venezuela, Chile, and other socialist countries which, instead of protecting the people’s inalienable right to succeed or fail at their own hand, have succumbed to using government force to steal the product of one person’s labor which is then transferred to another individual or group for their personal economic needs ___ a practice which in fact is an immoral use of government force.


    JWK




    They are not “liberals” or “progressives”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use government force to steal and then enjoy the property which labor, business and investors have worked to create.



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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Wrong. A specific amount of money is allocated to Planned Parenthood.

    JWK
    Could you provide a link to the law?
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Nope.
    Wrong. The answer is yes.

    JWK

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Could you provide a link to the law?
    You are the one who disagrees and gives the impression of being the fountain of all knowledge.


    JWK

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    That is why Congress could make any abortion performing facility ineligible for Medicaid or Title X grants. Only family planning services not performing abortions would be eligible.




    Some of it is directly allocated. An example is Title X money. Part of the reason is because facilities need up front money for operating costs.








    Yes, it was in a de facto way. The Title X Act authorized the construction and development of "family planning" facilities in the 1970s. Many of those were Planned Parenthood and its affiliates. Planned Parenthood performs about one third of the nation's abortions. Abortions have actually dropped nationwide, but interestingly, Planned Parenthood is performing more abortions today (sources below).


    https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/def...rh.46e0414.pdf
    http://www.centerformedicalprogress....000_-_2001.pdf






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    Thank you for your post.

    To learn how much tax money is allocated to Planned Parenthood, see: How Much of Your Tax Money Does Planned Parenthood Get? A New Report Will Tell You

    ”The report found the Planned Parenthood abortion corporation and its affiliates received $344.5 million in federal funds and another $1.2 billion in funding from Medicaid (which includes a combination of federal and state funds) for a total of $1.5 billion over three years from federal programs. The abortion giant receives $1.2 billion from Medicaid, $201 million from the Title X family planning program $40.6 million from Title XX Social Services block grants and $25.9 million from the Title V Maternal and Child health Services block grant.”


    JWK

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    You are the one who disagrees and gives the impression of being the fountain of all knowledge.


    JWK
    Proving a negative is impossible.

    Just because Planned Parenthood receives federal funding does not mean that it was listed by name as the recipient of funding... just like any other healthcare provider that receives money from the government.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Proving a negative is impossible.

    Just because Planned Parenthood receives federal funding does not mean that it was listed by name as the recipient of funding... just like any other healthcare provider that receives money from the government.




    JWK



    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Proving a negative is impossible.
    No, that is incorrect.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    A bill to end federal funding to Planned Parenthood

    I guess one of the reasons why we can't get a bill to end unconstitutional funding to Planned Parenthood is, our pro-life voters will not present such a bill to their members in the House and demand they support it.


    JWK




    "To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person's earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, [Planned Parenthood] to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation." ____ Savings and Loan Association. v.Topeka,(1875).



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You could do that, and it's been tried.

    But that's an entirely different bill with a different justification and purpose than the bill proposed in the OP. Not sure why you're mentioning it.
    So here you are saying it can never be defunded and you don't even know why we want to. Negged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Because you don't start out a bill calling into question the illegality of your sitting colleagues prior decisions?
    I'd +rep you if I could.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    I guess one of the reasons why we can't get a bill to end unconstitutional funding to Planned Parenthood is, our pro-life voters will not present such a bill to their members in the House and demand they support it.


    JWK




    "To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person's earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, [Planned Parenthood] to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation." ____ Savings and Loan Association. v.Topeka,(1875).
    The problem is that there is no specific bill for funding PP.

    From their site:

    Does the Government Fund Planned Parenthood?

    With all the talk in Washington these days about “defunding Planned Parenthood,” you might think there’s a specific, Planned Parenthood line item in the federal budget that Congress and the president can just zero out.

    Turns out, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Most of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding is from Medicaid reimbursements for preventive care, and some is from Title X. There’s no keep-Planned-Parenthood-running part of the federal budget.

    Here’s where “defunding” comes in:

    At least 60% of Planned Parenthood patients rely on public health programs like Medicaid and Title X for their preventive and primary care. So, when you hear extreme politicians talking about “defunding” Planned Parenthood, they really mean blocking patients who rely on public health care programs from getting their care at Planned Parenthood centers — patients like Casey.
    Read more: https://www.plannedparenthoodaction....ned-parenthood

    The REAL answer is to get .gov out of the medical business, period.

    THIS is what we should all be working toward.

    No federal funding or mandates of insurance, Big Pharma, or healthcare. This should be at the most a state issue and preferably each private doctor's handling of private cases, as well as hospitals. Catholic hospitals are some of the best in the nation and always help the needy.
    There is no spoon.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The problem is that there is no specific bill for funding PP.

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    That does not prevent the passage of a Bill to end federal funding to Planned Parenthood.


    JWK

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    That does not prevent the passage of a Bill to end federal funding to Planned Parenthood.


    JWK
    Read the rest of my post and let it sink in.
    There is no spoon.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Read the rest of my post and let it sink in.
    So, I see your alleged "problem" is no problem at all.


    JWK

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