Kentucky Public Schools Can Now Offer Bible Classes In Social Studies Curriculum

[kpitcher]

maybe they can mix it in with other courses. Sex ed could use Song of Solomon, or talking about emissions like a horse....

I went through a catholic school with a daily religion class. Oddly enough we didn't actually read the bible. Catechism, religious books, books that included verses from the bible, but never actually reading the bible. Decades later my niece is going to the same school. Smaller enrollment and the school has really refocused on their religious aspect. Far harder religion classes discussing things in Junior High that I don't recall ever covering in school. Still the niece has never read the bible in class.

I can only assume Kentucky will be the same way. Here's the official "bible study" book.. no critical thinking involved.

[r3volution 3.0]

But the ACLU would like to convince the public that America was not a Christian nation for many different malicious purposes, and it is good that children will be taught otherwise.

That's odd, considering that when America was a Christian nation, the Christians were all progressives!



Progressivism essentially is (a heretical form of) Christianity, and was explicitly so in the not too distant past. When there was religion in the schools, just about every schoolteacher in the country was a low church protestant progressive. The modern school system was built by such people. John Dewey was a characteristic example. Their intellectual (secularized) descendants are hostile to religion, certainly, but is it because religion is some kind of fundamental obstacle to their ideology..? When they rode into power on it...?

[Swordsmyth]

That's odd, considering that when America was a Christian nation, the Christians were all progressives!

That statement is too ridiculous for words to properly describe.

[r3volution 3.0]

That statement is too ridiculous for words to properly describe.

Progressivism is the political manifestation of post-millennial pietist Christianity. Northern protestants were always such. The South was converted around the turn of the century. By the "Progressive Era," America Christianity was totally dominated by these types. Dewey, as I mentioned, was one, so was virtually every important progressive intellectual, activist, or politician. The story of the liberty loving Christian society, which was corrupted by atheistic socialists, is pure fiction. Rather you had a Christian socialist society which eventually abandoned the theology and is now just socialist.

Mind you, I'm not saying that Christianity encourages socialism, only that it isn't an inherent obstacle either.

[Swordsmyth]

Progressivism is the political manifestation of post-millennial pietist Christianity. Northern protestants were always such. The South was converted around the turn of the century. By the "Progressive Era," America Christianity was totally dominated by these types. Dewey, as I mentioned, was one, so was virtually every important progressive intellectual, activist, or politician. The story of the liberty living Christian society, which was corrupted by atheistic socialists, is pure fiction. Rather you had a Christian socialist society which eventually abandoned the theology and is now just socialist.

First you said all now you say most, will you next say "Would you believe a whole lot"?
Sorry Max but even Progressive Christianity was better than Progressive Atheism and their dominance of American Christianity was and is nowhere near as clear cut as you want it to be, and America's Christian Foundation is an important element of our history.


P.S. Yankees barely counted as Americans in the first place.

[r3volution 3.0]

First you said all now you say most, will you next say "Would you believe a whole lot"?

What are you referring to..?

Sorry Max but even Progressive Christianity was better than Progressive Atheism and their dominance of American Christianity was and is nowhere near as clear cut as you want it to be, and America's Christian Foundation is an important element of our history.

Apart from the wierdosexual movement, people wanting to be penguins, and the like, there's really not much difference.

Environmentalism, unionism, economic regulation, safety regulation, inflation, nationalizing industry, welfare, "liberal" imperialism.

It's not new. It didn't come from the Frankfurt School. It came from upstate New York (good title for a horror movie BTW).

P.S. Yankees barely counted as Americans in the first place.

Well, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but they were half the population, basically all of it once the South converted c. 1900.

[Swordsmyth]

What are you referring to..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hd2e_tRBlY

[Swordsmyth]

Apart from the wierdosexual movement, people wanting to be penguins, and the like, there's really not much difference.

Environmentalism, unionism, economic regulation, safety regulation, inflation, nationalizing industry, welfare, "liberal" imperialism.

It's not new. It didn't come from the Frankfurt School. It came from upstate New York (good title for a horror movie BTW).

Atheism and Evolution are like Gasoline poured on all those problems, they strip away all moral inhibitions and unleash every vice.

[r3volution 3.0]

Atheism and Evolution are like Gasoline poured on all those problems, they strip away all moral inhibitions and unleash every vice.

Which of those problems....

Environmentalism, unionism, economic regulation, safety regulation, inflation, nationalizing industry, welfare, "liberal" imperialism.

...has anything to do with atheism or evolution?

"God does not exist, therefore, AT&T should have a state sponsored monopoly." ...?

[Swordsmyth]

Which of those problems....



...has anything to do with atheism or evolution?

They each have to do with one or more vices, and when man is told there is no GOD and no coming judgement then both consciously and sub-consciously he unleashes his vices.
Everything gets worse.

[Swordsmyth]

"God does not exist, therefore, AT&T should have a state sponsored monopoly." ...?

Therefore government should give me everything I want, even if AT&T can also use government to take what it wants.

[r3volution 3.0]

They each have to do with one or more vices, and when man is told there is no GOD and no coming judgement then both consciously and sub-consciously he unleashes his vices.
Everything gets worse.

The leftist policies I cited were pursued by the Christian progressives because they believed in God and did expect to be judged. Specifically, they believed that their own salvation depended on saving everyone else, which they sought to do by eradicating the conditions which lead to sin (drinking, poverty, ignorance, etc). Hence they enlisted the state to ban liquor, and centrally plan the economy, and run a compulsory education system, etc. When this theology dropped out and these people became the secular progressives we endure today, the policies didn't change, only the underlying rationale did. It's similar with communism, which was originally Christian and remained so for the most part until Marx. The programme didn't change with the abandonment of religion, only the groundwork. Atheism didn't make Marx a communist, it only made him invent historical materialism as a rationale for it, in place of the theological rationale that previous communists used and he'd abandoned.

[Ender]

I'd rather spend the energy getting rid of public schools as well, but Kentucky did this at no energy cost to me and it is a good thing.

As a minister, I disagree.

Who's POV will the religious doctrine be taught from? Catholic? Protestant? Mormon? Lutheran? Scientology? Atheist? Allowing religious acknowledgment is good- some idiot teacher who knows nothin' about nothin' teaching whatever- is not good.

Getting rid of the public school system should be paramount; NOTHING else is more important.

[Swordsmyth]

The leftist policies I cited were pursued by the Christian progressives because they believed in God and did expect to be judged. Specifically, they believed that their own salvation depended on saving everyone else, which they sought to do by eradicating the conditions which lead to sin (drinking, poverty, ignorance, etc). Hence they enlisted the state to ban liquor, and centrally plan the economy, and run a compulsory education system, etc. When this theology dropped out and these people became the secular progressives we endure today, the policies didn't change, only the underlying rationale did. It's similar with communism, which was originally Christian and remained so for the most part until Marx. The programme didn't change with the abandonment of religion, only the groundwork. Atheism didn't make Marx a communist, it only made him invent historical materialism as a rationale for it, in place of the theological rationale that previous communists used and he'd abandoned.

I never said the policies changed I said they got worse.

[Swordsmyth]

As a minister, I disagree.

Who's POV will the religious doctrine be taught from? Catholic? Protestant? Mormon? Lutheran? Scientology? Atheist? Allowing religious acknowledgment is good- some idiot teacher who knows nothin' about nothin' teaching whatever- is not good.

Getting rid of the public school system should be paramount; NOTHING else is more important.

Read what I said carefully I would not spend energy to achieve this, I would only spend energy to end public schools.

[heavenlyboy34]

maybe they can mix it in with other courses. Sex ed could use Song of Solomon, or talking about emissions like a horse....

I went through a catholic school with a daily religion class. Oddly enough we didn't actually read the bible. Catechism, religious books, books that included verses from the bible, but never actually reading the bible. Decades later my niece is going to the same school. Smaller enrollment and the school has really refocused on their religious aspect. Far harder religion classes discussing things in Junior High that I don't recall ever covering in school. Still the niece has never read the bible in class.

I can only assume Kentucky will be the same way. Here's the official "bible study" book.. no critical thinking involved.

Catechism isn't supposed to be a bible study class. It's general Catholic theology to prepare you to be a grown-up Roman Catholic conversant in the faith. Systematic study of the Bible is a different class.

[Ender]

Read what I said carefully I would not spend energy to achieve this, I would only spend energy to end public schools.

But you DID say this:

So you would rather have them push secularism?
You and I can find common ground in that I want to end public schools, but until then they should be required to acknowledge the Bible's role in history

No matter how you phrase it, some atheist teaching the "value" of the Bible ain't gonna happen.

[TheCount]

Something something muh culture

[angelatc]

No $#@!. He probably loves the idea that government is wrapped up into what should be secular marriages.

The Founders used government to fund churches. We're pretty big on the Founders around here.

[Swordsmyth]

The Founders used government to fund churches. We're pretty big on the Founders around here.

There I disagree with some of the founders.
Government should not be giving my tax money to any private organization.

[Anti Federalist]

The leftist policies I cited were pursued by the Christian progressives because they believed in God and did expect to be judged. Specifically, they believed that their own salvation depended on saving everyone else, which they sought to do by eradicating the conditions which lead to sin (drinking, poverty, ignorance, etc). Hence they enlisted the state to ban liquor, and centrally plan the economy, and run a compulsory education system, etc. When this theology dropped out and these people became the secular progressives we endure today, the policies didn't change, only the underlying rationale did. It's similar with communism, which was originally Christian and remained so for the most part until Marx. The programme didn't change with the abandonment of religion, only the groundwork. Atheism didn't make Marx a communist, it only made him invent historical materialism as a rationale for it, in place of the theological rationale that previous communists used and he'd abandoned.

He's right, you know.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Something something muh culture

Something something muh progressivism.

[Swordsmyth]

He's right, you know.

And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

[Anti Federalist]

And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

That very well may be but the fact remains that huge leaps in the government and "nanny statism" was fueled by pressure from "Christian Progressives" looking to use religious morality as a basis to stamp out any number of perceived vices, from drinking to poverty to slavery to gambling and hosts of others including "social injustices".

They are now at the vanguard of opening the "Gates of Vienna" to millions of impoverished third world hordes in the name of "Christian charity and compassion".

[TheCount]

And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

Mandatory alegbra didn't make everyone a mathematician.

Mandatory Bible study won't make everyone a Christian.

[Swordsmyth]

Mandatory alegbra didn't make everyone a mathematician.

Mandatory Bible study won't make everyone a Christian.

The class is not mandatory.

[otherone]

And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

Atheism is the worship of the state, in that morality is defined by legality. Vice isn't the issue; laws in defiance of Natural Law is.

[r3volution 3.0]

I never said the policies changed I said they got worse.

Perhaps you can explain how things got worse without changing?

Tell me which roads to Leviathan weren't already built prior to the emergence of popular atheism?

[Swordsmyth]

Perhaps you can explain how things got worse without changing?

They became more extreme.

[r3volution 3.0]

They became more extreme.

How so?