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    America's great divide: Those who stayed in their hometowns and those who left

    Interesting theory- that the main divides in the US are based on education and whether or not you stayed in the town you and your family grew up in.

    It feels like America is more divided than ever before.

    Surveys even show that the country's major political parties have very unfavorable views of each other. But maybe we need to reframe the cause of some of the polarization happening in our country.

    Chris Arnade, a reporter for The Guardian, argues that it might not be about conservatives vs. liberals. Instead, polarization in the U.S. might have to do with those who had an elite education and those who didn't, along with whether or not you decided to leave your hometown. He joined us to talk about these divisions and how they play into a person's worldview. Below is an edited transcript.

    David Brancaccio: You've come up with a very interesting construct here. You don't think it's liberal vs. conservative, rural vs. urban?

    Chris Arnade: It's back row vs. front row, meaning people with elite educations vs. people without them. Currently, and the way our world is structured, I think you have a lot more power and a lot more economic and cultural power when you have that education. So I think it's really divided the world into people who have that and those who don't.

    Brancaccio: And also it's connected to people who haven't left where they grew up?

    Arnade: Right. People who define themselves by their careers and are willing to move very often vs. people who stay in their communities.

    Brancaccio: And the people who stay in their communities, you think they skew more in support of, for instance President Trump?

    Arnade: Especially white voters. That's very much the case. If you're white and you stayed in your community, you generally vote for Trump.

    Brancaccio: You stayed in your community — what accounts for that, do you think? Is it about economic opportunity? Is it about the culture that comes from sticking around where you're from?

    Arnade: It's a little bit of both. I think that there are people who define themselves and define their worldview and define their sense of worth as what they add to their community, or what they add to their family, or what the family adds to them. That takes precedent over, perhaps, career. Now there are also people who don't have the opportunity to move who may have to stay to take care of relatives. But again, it's kind of just a different worldview. It's the idea that "this is where I want to be." When I ask people who generally have lived their entire life in the same community, why they stayed there, they just kind of look at me like I'm asking an absurd question. They just simply say, "Well, it's home," as if that wasn't really ever an option.

    Brancaccio: But what do you mean? I mean, people who have traveled for their careers are no longer anywhere near their hometown and they want the best for their family, want the best for their country. They probably would agree with the hometown folks on things like, "I wish public education were better. I wish bridges weren't crumbling in America."

    Arnade: I think everybody cares about their family, wants their children to have a better life than them. But it's kind of how they play that out. Do they go to a new town and form a new family and raise their family there, or do they stay connected to to where they were born and the land that they remember as a child? That's kind of given them different perspectives on how they think the country should move going forward.



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    If you are talking about todays american universities I would not consider that education to be " elite " .
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    Basically , if you receive tax dollars from others or were exposed enough to the progressive commies giving the elite education , most likely you are a socialist at best .
    Do something Danke

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    Ah yes, contrarian Zip still trying to sell the progressive line that Republicans and libertarians are uneducated rubes. The margin was not even that great at nine points between college graduates voting for Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton (see link below).

    The progressive arrogantly thinks he is smarter than everyone--even his maker. If you're a qu.eer, atheist woman, and work for the college, then you must be at the top of smarts heap. If you're a white midwestern, Christian farmer, then you must be an imbecile.


    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...der-education/
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Ah yes, contrarian Zip still trying to sell the progressive line that Republicans and libertarians are uneducated rubes. The margin was not even that great at nine points between college graduates voting for Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton (see link below).

    The progressive arrogantly thinks he is smarter than everyone--even his maker. If you're a qu.eer, atheist woman, and work for the college, then you must be at the top of smarts heap. If you're a white midwestern, Christian farmer, then you must be an imbecile.


    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...der-education/
    Your link notes:

    In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980. For example, in 2012, there was hardly any difference between the two groups: College graduates backed Obama over Romney by 50%-48%, and those without a college degree also supported Obama 51%-47%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Your link notes:

    Nine points is a wide gap? Versus what? A seven point gap?
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    If you want to talk about a "great divide," then there are plenty of other demographics to discuss that. Really great divides are between black-white, Jewish-non-Jewish, etc.

    The chart below shows that 90% of the Jewish vote went to the Democrat/socialist presidential candidate in 1940, 1944, 1948, and 1964. Thirty eight percent of Jews voted for socialist Debs in 1920. Sixty five percent of Jews voted for McGovern in Nixon's so-called landslide of '72. Seventy one percent voted for Clinton over D. Trump. That 71-24% gap is much bigger than the 52-43% college gap.

    Zip, why are you so opposed to Republican or libertarian candidates? What is it about this site that bothers you? Can you answer those questions?

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tial-elections
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    There is still something to be said for putting down roots and having friends for 30 years. After a life of moving around with the military and a lot of family trauma, there is nothing I want to do less than move and change jobs every three years.

    And please define success. Money isn't everything. A stable, loving home is a lot.
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    Wow, people who go to government propaganda camps believe government propaganda. Nice study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Interesting theory- that the main divides in the US are based on education and whether or not you stayed in the town you and your family grew up in.
    The home town part is telling.

    The rooted vs. wanderers. The homesteaded vs the homeless. Regional autonomy vs. globalism.
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    Moreso even than hometown, black/white or Joo etc. is rural vs urban.

    When the SHTF the urbanites will try to flee.....They'll give up homes-n-family, land and heritage all in a bid to live another day...

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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Zip, you really showed yourself on this one. Shame on you. Shame. You have lost all sense of humanity and familial relationships.
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    Yeah, smaller rural areas are not doing very well while Agenda 21 cities are doing mostly ok. Gee, you don't think that's intentional, do ya Zip? Nice Agenda 21 propaganda.
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    ...ad yet the literati couldn't foresee a Trump victory.
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    Zippy, you have also shown your contempt for all of us. Double shame on you. Shame. Is it worth your integrity to come here and malign all of us? Do you really like exposing yourself this way? I hope your parents have no idea what you are doing. They taught you better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Zippy, you have also shown your contempt for all of us. Double shame on you. Shame. Is it worth your integrity to come here and malign all of us? Do you really like exposing yourself this way? I hope your parents have no idea what you are doing. They taught you better.
    If it took you so long to figure Zippy out you should be ashamed of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    If it took you so long to figure Zippy out you should be ashamed of yourself.
    She is one of the most polite posters on the forum.
    ...

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    People should go for what makes them happy. Some want to see the world, others want to stay familiar.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    She is one of the most polite posters on the forum.
    Maybe too polite. I would describe her better as a non descriptive "nice"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    She is one of the most polite posters on the forum.
    Zippy finally got that gender reassignment surgery?
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