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    Senate Republicans release their socialist/communist health-care plan

    SEE: What’s in the Senate Republican health-care bill


    Well, our Republican Party Leadership has been lying all the time. They never intended to repeal Obamacare. In fact, our Republican Party Leadership not only proposes to keep Obamcare alive, but it will continue to use the force of federal taxation to confiscate the earned wages of one group of citizens to finance the health-care needs of another group, not to mention hard working wage earners will also be taxed $BILLIONS which will be transferred into the coffers of the insurance industry.


    The Senate Bill proposes to confiscate working people’s earned wages [How else can the Senate Bill be paid for?] which will then be transferred to other groups via subsidies, tax credits and the expansion of Medicaid, even though there is no grant of power in the wording of our federal constitution allowing the federal government to enter the States and meddle in the people’s health-care needs and choices.


    The Senate’s proposal will in fact create a number of factious groups who are tax getters, and they will, if the Senate Bill becomes law, forever have a vested financial interest which competes with our nation’s general welfare ___ those matters concerning national security “external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce”. These factious groups’ interest will also be different from those who are taxed to finance the Senate’s desire to meddle in the people’s health-care needs and choices.


    To avoid these kinds of political factions on a national scale ___ tax-payers vs tax-getters ___ our wise founders refused to delegate a power to Congress over those “… objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” See, Federalist No. 45


    Having violated our Constitution and usurped powers not granted, a number of factious groups have already been created by Congress which now threaten mayhem and destruction should their free government cheese be ended. Have we not witnessed these very groups today protesting around the Capitol complex?


    And who are some of the actors included in these type of tax-getter protests? Federally subsidized health-care recipients; federally subsidized food stamp recipients; federally subsidized Section Eight Housing recipients; federally funded unemployment benefit recipients; federally funded student loans and grant recipients; and millions of foreigners who have invaded our borders who are also the recipients of free government cheese.


    To those who are sincerely concerned about the direction our country is headed, I strongly suggest you take the time to study FEDERALIST NUMBER 10 which in part deals with controlling the violence of factious groups.


    JWK



    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.



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    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19881353871360
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Our Republican health care money laundering operation

    It’s absolutely amazing that a Republican health-care proposal would use the federal government’s taxing authority to confiscate a working person’s earned wages which are then transferred to our nation’s fat cat insurance industry. This is the same kind of money laundering operation Obama engaged in with his green energy crap which was a massive transfer of money taxed away from hard working wage earners which was redistributed to democrat donors! The fact is, 80% of green energy money taxed away from hard working American Citizens WENT TO Obama’s donors!


    Now tell me the Republican Party Leadership and Democrat Party Leadership do not work hand in hand to steal the earned wages of labor.


    JWK


    "To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and buildup private fortunes [in the Republican Party’s beloved insurance industry] is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."____ Savings and Loan Assc. v.Topeka,(1875).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Just need to throw more money at it... That'll fix it!!


    "I've been talking about a plan with heart," Trump said. "I said, 'Add some money to it!' A plan with heart."
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    Last edited by CaptUSA; 06-23-2017 at 08:47 AM.
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    Won't ever get any reasonable legislation to be voted on until real conservative / libertarian / consitutionalists control the leadership positions. Aka, never.

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    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/878339213308985344



    https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/878600363019993089
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    If we don’t reverse our federal government’s tax-payers vs tax-getters redistribution policies, we will surely suffer the same fate as Venezuela,Chile, the UK, and other socialist countries which, instead of protecting the people’s inalienable right to succeed or fail at their own hand, have decided to use government force to steal the product of one person’s labor which is then transferred to another group to be used for their personal economic needs, which is an immoral use of government force.


    Let us not forget that we were warned about “democracy” by John Adams, a principle force in the American Revolutionary period who pointed out "democracy will envy all, contend with all, endeavor to pull down all; andwhen by chance it happens to get the upper hand for a short time, it will berevengeful, bloody, and cruel..."

    We have allowed our constitutionally limited Republican Form of Government to take on the deadly characteristics of a “democracy” ___ a mob rule system of government which is unbound by our written Constitution ___ and the predictable deadly consequences of democracy become more apparent as each day passes.

    Madison, in Federalist No. 10 says in reference to democracy they "…have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”

    JWK




    The unavoidable truth is, the Bernie Sanders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

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    I don't get it. While Obama is in office, the congress votes to repeal Obamacare and Obama vetoes it.

    Now with Trump in office, they can't just repeal it anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I don't get it. While Obama is in office, the congress votes to repeal Obamacare and Obama vetoes it.

    Now with Trump in office, they can't just repeal it anymore?
    It's complicated.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    It's complicated.
    Yeah, I think they want the government involved with healthcare.

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    They want to add a 6 month waiting period to get insurance if you don't have it, but still repeals the individual mandate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Yeah, I think they want the government involved with healthcare.
    Seems like a reasonable conclusion.
    "The Patriarch"

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    I don't see the Obamacare or Trumpcare lasting for more than a few years before we get single payer.

    Just a guess but I wouldn't be surprised to see people moving around the country, just based on health care waiting times, when we switch to single payer. Kind of like public schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Seems like a reasonable conclusion.
    It's time to vote harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I don't get it. While Obama is in office, the congress votes to repeal Obamacare and Obama vetoes it.

    Now with Trump in office, they can't just repeal it anymore?
    If people didn't have to be all PC about Trump being a progressive we could have an honest debate. If the congress passed a clean repeal Trump would veto it. This is what Trump actually ran on, he has always been progressive on healthcare. The only defense people like Rand is he says not uh, my president Trump wants to get rid of Obamacare. Its your president Trump that wants Obamacare 2.0, my president Trump would never want to fix Obamacare he hates it.

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    What is a Single Payer health care system

    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I don't see the Obamacare or Trumpcare lasting for more than a few years before we get single payer.

    Just a guess but I wouldn't be surprised to see people moving around the country, just based on health care waiting times, when we switch to single payer. Kind of like public schools.
    There is no such thing as single payer. What they are sugar coating with the term "single payer" is a government health-care system under which your earned wages are confiscated which are then used by government to provide you with "health-care" to be determined and financed by folks in government.

    That, my friend, is what is referred to as "single payer", you pay the bill and folks in government make decisions for you.


    JWK




    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

    Last edited by johnwk; 06-25-2017 at 03:01 PM.

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    https://twitter.com/KedronBardwell/s...56199890300929
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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