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Thread: Rand Paul's Response to Senate Healthcare Bill

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    I will add Sen. Paul's official response when he posts it, but we can use this thread to discuss.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rand-paul...-repealing-it/

    MSNBC’s Casey Hunt caught up with Senator Rand Paul in the halls of the Capitol Building this morning to ask his quick thoughts on the Senate version of the GOP Healthcare bill just released.

    Paul was an initial and vocal critic of the House health care bill, and it appears that he is also frustrated with the version presented by his Senate colleagues, telling Hunt “looks like we’re keeping Obamacare, not repealing it.”

    Why is this short and seemingly throw-away line so important? Well the GOP Senate has only the slightest of room to pass this bill as it will take only three Republican senators to vote against it to kill this version. Judging from Paul’s comments, it appears that he will not be voting for this iteration of the bill.

    The Libertarian leaning Kentucky Senator has promised a statement shortly.
    I'm guessing he is one of the 3 'no' votes as reported? lol.

    Give em hell Rand!
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    Yep. Rand Paul is a 'No'.

    I hope he holds out and really and REALLY pisses off the RINO GOP $#@!s.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.0e16b71b0519

    WASHINGTON — Sen. Rand Paul says he and three other GOP senators oppose health bill as written, putting passage in jeopardy.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
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    If it is him 'plus 3 other GOP senators' then that makes 4. That will mean they have a lot of power in the next week.

    THIS is what we should be discussing on this forum.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

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    His GOP primary challenger will accuse him of voting against the repeal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    His GOP primary challenger will accuse him of voting against the repeal.
    And his response will be "It wasn't a repeal at all, junior."
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Senators Paul, Cruz, Lee, and Johnson are all "no" votes.



    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pre...te-health-bill

    Sens. Paul, Cruz, Johnson, and Lee Issue Joint Statement on Senate Health Bill


    WASHINGTON – Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY), Ted Cruz (R-TX), Ron Johnson (R-WI), and Mike Lee (R-UT) issued the following statement Thursday responding to the release of the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017:

    “Currently, for a variety of reasons, we are not ready to vote for this bill, but we are open to negotiation and obtaining more information before it is brought to the floor. There are provisions in this draft that represent an improvement to our current health care system, but it does not appear this draft as written will accomplish the most important promise that we made to Americans: to repeal Obamacare and lower their health care costs.”
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    His GOP primary challenger will accuse him of voting against the repeal.
    No he won't. Rand's not running again (at least for Senate) for 5 more years. By then, if this turd passes, they'll all be running from it. If it fails, then Obamacare gets the blame for the mess and Rand can, again, talk about a real answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    His GOP primary challenger will accuse him of voting against the repeal.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    No he won't. Rand's not running again (at least for Senate) for 5 more years. By then [...]
    IIRC, Rand said he would voluntarily term-limit himself to two terms.

    So unless I'm mistaken about this (or Rand goes back on his word), he won't be running again ...

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    If the Senate passes another unfunded government entitlement program I hope the U.S credit score downgrades. Stupid asses need to learn that there is no free lunch.
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    https://twitter.com/dougstafford/sta...00667279474689
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    To me insurance is such a rip off I can't understand why the insurance market hasn't been told FU by the people long ago. The people should not be bailing them out. I know a lot of folks own stock in insurance. I am sure they controlling holders vote more profits for themselves which translates to higher premiums. I don't think I should be forced to buy it.

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    Trump" "They're 4 good guys and they're 4 friends of mine...."
    Last edited by anaconda; 06-25-2017 at 01:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Dean Heller of NV makes it 5 senators against.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/cong...e-bill-n776091
    The Trump PAC is going after Heller for "failing to repeal Obamacare". They know better than to go after Rand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    The Trump PAC is going after Heller for "failing to repeal Obamacare". They know better than to go after Rand.
    Would be cool if courage proved to be contagious and 5 senators against morphed into about 8 or 9.

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    In the opening of this segment Rand looks a bit like Bobby Kennedy. The hair and so forth. I think maybe Rand has lost a few pounds, too.
    Last edited by anaconda; 06-25-2017 at 02:00 AM.

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    At 6:11 Rand sounds and looks just like Ron when he says "neh.." and kind of shrugs and waves his hands..

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    Should be on soon:


    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/878947448437256192
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/stat...70210174222336
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I cringe every time I hear Rand say the senate bill always individuals to buy insurance after they are sick. Is it because the bill always the insurance companies to have a 30% surcharge on the premium? btw, this is what he considered as an individual mandate.

    He doesn't want to subsidize the insurance companies, whines when they are allowed to increase premium on people who fail to buy insurance and at the same time not Ok with insurance companies taking customers with pre existing condition.

    I think his heart is in the right place, but he needs to collect his thoughts well before coming on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I cringe every time I hear Rand say the senate bill always individuals to buy insurance after they are sick. Is it because the bill always the insurance companies to have a 30% surcharge on the premium? btw, this is what he considered as an individual mandate.

    He doesn't want to subsidize the insurance companies, whines when they are allowed to increase premium on people who fail to buy insurance and at the same time not Ok with insurance companies taking customers with pre existing condition.

    I think his heart is in the right place, but he needs to collect his thoughts well before coming on TV.
    No I think it means that insurance companies can't pick and choose who they do business with, you know like in a free market, they have to sell someone health insurance, you know, insurance for in case they get sick, even if the person buying the insurance is already sick.

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    Meanwhile...


    https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/879000887171088385
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    To me insurance is such a rip off I can't understand why the insurance market hasn't been told FU by the people long ago. The people should not be bailing them out. I know a lot of folks own stock in insurance. I am sure they controlling holders vote more profits for themselves which translates to higher premiums. I don't think I should be forced to buy it.
    Yep, insurance itself is the problem. It is socialism by it's very nature. A big pot of money to be "shared". No one cares about the costs of services, thus prices and overhead increases are out control. Just because it isn't a forced, single provider government socialism program doesn't prevent it from having all of the same flaws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yep, insurance itself is the problem. It is socialism by it's very nature. A big pot of money to be "shared". No one cares about the costs of services, thus prices and overhead increases are out control. Just because it isn't a forced, single provider government socialism program doesn't prevent it from having all of the same flaws.
    I don't know that people voluntarily sharing private resources to indemnify one another is "socialism." And, they should care about price and there should be a huge incentive to do so. If you pool your money with me and then I get sick, you don't want me spending recklessly on services that are above equilibrium free market price points. And in a free market insurance companies will compete for subscribers and experience only normal profits.
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    Why does Susan Collins talk like she has severe Parkinson's Disease? Her head shakes back and forth, too.

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