Video of mom demanding a white doctor for her son has Canada outraged – and worried

[enhanced_deficit]

Surprising news as Canada was supposed to be the melting-pot :



http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...157368834.html

By Cleve R. Wootson Jr.
The Washington Post




As the woman stormed through the Canadian medical facility, she was adamant: She wanted a white doctor to treat her son - not a brown one and not one with an accent.


“So you’re telling me that my kid has chest pains, he’s going to have to sit here until 4 o’clock?” she told an employee at the walk-in clinic in Mississauga, Ontario. “Can I see a doctor please that’s white, that doesn’t have brown teeth, that speaks English?”
The employee responded that the facility couldn’t suddenly summon a Caucasian pediatrician.
But the angry mother was steadfast.
“You’re telling me there’s not one white doctor in this entire building?” she continued. “Well, what’s the closest that you have to speaking English?

In related news from Drudge:


White ex-employee sues tech company for favoring workers from India...

[tod evans]

I have nothing against her demanding a white doctor, my question is who is paying for said doctor?

If we're talking about socialized medicine then she needs to shut the $#@! up.

If she's writing the check then she's entitled to spend her money as she sees fit.

[Origanalist]

The Sunday afternoon incident was captured on video by a man - himself an immigrant, according to HuffPost Canada - waiting to see a doctor at Rapid Access to Medical Specialists in Southern Ontario, near Toronto.

The episode has sparked outrage throughout Canada.

“I couldn’t help but record the video,” Hitesh Bhardwaj told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. “This is bad, this is inappropriate and shouldn’t go unnoticed. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. The whole episode kept on repeating in my head, I was very upset. You know I can’t even define the feeling.”

Lord help us, snowflakes abound.

Kathleen Wynne, the premier of Ontario and the leader of the Ontario Liberal Party, called the video “disturbing” and said it raised questions about how far Canada had come in achieving racial harmony.

“I think we all should be shocked,” she said. “If we’re not shocked, that is a real problem.

With all the $#@! going on in this world THIS is what supposed to shock people? GTFO

[Danke]

You are allowed to video tape patients in a hospital?

[enhanced_deficit]

You are allowed to video tape patients in a hospital?

Not sure of privacy rules regarding patients/guardians in medical facilities. But generally, there have been various breaches and concerns regarding privacy of patients medical records and advent of hitech. Though this is separate tangent.

Rape Victim Sues Uber Over Handling of Medical Records
Wall Street Journal (subscription)-Jun 15, 2017
Rape Victim Sues Uber Over Handling of Medical Records ... they breached her privacy by obtaining and publicizing her medical records.

[DamianTV]

I wish I could pick and accent and language for who did Tech Support for me. I guarantee it wouldnt be to companies that outsource everything to India. Likewise, if India wants Tech Support, shouldnt they be able to get ahold of someone in India also? The language / corporate barrier causes problems on both sides of borders. Some things are better done overseas. Other things are better done in your own native language.

[euphemia]

I have no problem with mom requesting a doctor who is fluent in English. Canada mostly speaks English and French.

[helmuth_hubener]

I have no problem with mom requesting a doctor who is fluent in English.

Let's all pick and choose (oh-so-so very carefully!)
Which acts others do (Wouldn't want to pick wrongly!)
We will "have problem with" (strangers must toe lines properly!)
Or graciously bless (virtue signaled quite strongly.)

[Anti Federalist]

I have nothing against her demanding a white doctor, my question is who is paying for said doctor?

If we're talking about socialized medicine then she needs to shut the $#@! up.

If she's writing the check then she's entitled to spend her money as she sees fit.

I'm guessing since Canada, the former.

If not, exactly.

Nice to see a little pushback though...I imagine this woman will get arrested before the day is out.

[RonZeplin]

[euphemia]

Let's all pick and choose (oh-so-so very carefully!)
Which acts others do (Wouldn't want to pick wrongly!)
We will "have problem with" (strangers must toe lines properly!)
Or graciously bless (virtue signaled quite strongly.)

Mr. Sanctimonious, it is very important that patients and caregivers understand the instructions given to them. Physicians practicing in a mostly English speaking nation should be fluent in English. If the provider is smart enough to get a medical degree, he's also smart enough to learn the language spoken by most people where he expects to practice. The woman probably pays enough taxes.

[Schifference]

I have nothing against her demanding a white doctor, my question is who is paying for said doctor?

If we're talking about socialized medicine then she needs to shut the $#@! up.

If she's writing the check then she's entitled to spend her money as she sees fit.

Whether private or socialized she is still paying for the care isn't she?

[tod evans]

Mr. Sanctimonious, it is very important that patients and caregivers understand the instructions given to them. Physicians practicing in a mostly English speaking nation should be fluent in English. If the provider is smart enough to get a medical degree, he's also smart enough to learn the language spoken by most people where he expects to practice. The woman probably pays enough taxes.

She didn't "just" demand English speaking, she demanded white too...

I have no problem with that if she's footing the bill.

It's perfectly acceptable for her to hire the professional of her ethnic preference.

This holds true in all aspects of life, if you want your laundry done by the Chinese then by all means seek them out...

It's not wrong to want to pick and choose who you hire for any reason including race religion or sexual preference..............Unless you're a government.

[tod evans]

Whether private or socialized she is still paying for the care isn't she?

If she's "cutting the check" to government then she can be expected to receive government labor, which includes low-bids, minority quotas, nepotism and every form of politically correct BS one can envision...

If she's "cutting the check" to the service provider then she gets to choose.

[euphemia]

She didn't "just" demand English speaking, she demanded white too...

I have no problem with that if she's footing the bill.

It's perfectly acceptable for her to hire the professional of her ethnic preference.

This holds true in all aspects of life, if you want your laundry done by the Chinese then by all means seek them out...

It's not wrong to want to pick and choose who you hire for any reason including race religion or sexual preference..............Unless you're a government.

Her later comment was that she wanted someone who was fluent in English. That seemed to clarify what she was asking for. Sounds to me like the waiting room folks had it right. For chest pain, go to the ER.

I don't care the color of a health care provider's skin. I see a health care provider at least once a month and some of them are people of color. They are all fluent in English. I live in a city with two medical schools, including a predominantly African-American medical school. Not a problem being treated by anyone who can communicate with me.

[tod evans]

Her later comment was that she wanted someone who was fluent in English. That seemed to clarify what she was asking for. Sounds to me like the waiting room folks had it right. For chest pain, go to the ER.

I don't care the color of a health care provider's skin. I see a health care provider at least once a month and some of them are people of color. They are all fluent in English. I live in a city with two medical schools, including a predominantly African-American medical school. Not a problem being treated by anyone who can communicate with me.

I don't have a problem with you seeking out professional help using whatever criteria you choose either, as long as you're cutting the check...

When you go to government for your professional help you're going to get government employees....

[Anti Federalist]

The latest daily salvo in the ongoing demographic war comes from the FedBook postings of Trinity College professor Johnny Williams.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...professor-cal/

That will give a thumbnail and there is a thread here on it as well.

They, these white/cisgender/heterosexuals, have created entire systems, philosophies, and values in which goodness, peace, and benevolence are virtues

So:
If you see them drowning.
If you see them in a burning building.
If they are teetering on the edge of a cliff.
If their ships are sinking.
If their planes are crashing.
If their cars are skidding.
If they are overdosing.
If their hearts have tellingly arrested.
If they are choking in a restaurant.
If they are bleeding out in an emergency room.
If the ground is crumbling beneath them.
If they are in a park and they turn their weapons on each other:
Do nothing.
“If you seen them walking down the street and they start to cry, each time you meet, walk on by.”
Least of all put your life on the line for theirs, and do not dare think doing so, putting your life on the line for theirs, gives you reason or cause to feel celestial.
Saving the life of those that would kill you is the opposite of virtuous.
Let. Them. $#@!ing. Die.
And smile a bit when you do.
For you have done the universe a great service.
Ashes to ashes.
Dust to bigots.

https://medium.com/@SonofBaldwin/let...e-c316eee34212

Now, more than likely she never heard of this...but, I'm supposed to condemn this woman for demanding a white doctor treat her critically ill son?

Not $#@!ing likely.

[euphemia]

I don't have a problem with you seeking out professional help using whatever criteria you choose either, as long as you're cutting the check...

When you go to government for your professional help you're going to get government employees....

Agreed. However, if the woman needs a pediatrician for her son, she was likely born well after the socialized system went into place for Canada. She cannot buy private care anywhere north of the border, even if it occurred to her to try to do so.

[PierzStyx]

She didn't "just" demand English speaking, she demanded white too...

I have no problem with that if she's footing the bill.

It's perfectly acceptable for her to hire the professional of her ethnic preference.

This holds true in all aspects of life, if you want your laundry done by the Chinese then by all means seek them out...

It's not wrong to want to pick and choose who you hire for any reason including race religion or sexual preference..............Unless you're a government.

Doesn't make it any less stupid though. And that is the real story for me. All I can think is that poor kid, his or her parent is a moron.

[tod evans]

Doesn't make it any less stupid though. And that is the real story for me. All I can think is that poor kid, his or her parent is a moron.

I don't consider it "stupid" to pick and choose which professional treats your child.

English speaking Caucasian might have been only her primary filter, we'll never know will we?

[euphemia]

I don't consider it "stupid" to pick and choose which professional treats your child.

English speaking Caucasian might have been only her primary filter, we'll never know will we?

In Canada there is no choice, however. Hasn't been for a long time.

[helmuth_hubener]

Mr. Sanctimonious

I have no problem with either directable,
'Tis thou for which one is scandal unacceptable.

[helmuth_hubener]

"Affirmative Action" means standards are different,
One race is culled hard, and so less deficient.

[helmuth_hubener]

Doesn't make it any less stupid though. And that is the real story for me. All I can think is that poor kid, his or her parent is a moron.

Oompa, loompa, doompaty doo,
Which hump should we assign to treat you?

[Swordsmyth]

Oompa, loompa, doompaty doo,
Which hump should we assign to treat you?

You should have saved that one for The Count.

TheCount

Supporting Member

[PierzStyx]

I don't consider it "stupid" to pick and choose which professional treats your child.

English speaking Caucasian might have been only her primary filter, we'll never know will we?

Picking a doctor based on something as meaningless as race is stupid.

[PierzStyx]

Oompa, loompa, doompaty doo,
Which hump should we assign to treat you?

First, I notice you supply no evidence there and your picture is from a random blog. Not exactly convincing evdience.

Here though are a few sources demonstrating how racist arguments based on IQ are stupid.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...enetics-095765

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...ce-free-speech


Second, anyone who seriously believes in "IQ" ratings has already proven themselves so ignorant they probably shouldn't be commenting on anything.

The idea that intelligence can be measured by IQ tests alone is a fallacy according to the largest single study into human cognition which found that it comprises of at least three distinct mental traits.

IQ tests have been used for decades to assess intelligence but they are fundamentally flawed because they do not take into account the complex nature of the human intellect and its different components, the study found. ...

“The results disprove once and for all the idea that a single measure of intelligence, such as IQ, is enough to capture all of the differences in cognitive ability that we see between people,” said Roger Highfield, director of external affairs at the Science Museum in London.

“Instead, several different circuits contribute to intelligence, each with its own unique capacity. A person may well be good in one of these areas, but they are just as likely to be bad in the other two,” said Dr Highfield, a co-author of the study published in the journal Neuron.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...y-8425911.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1219133334.htm

Indeed, even the idea of an underlying "intelligence" that is a singular thing that can be measured is false.

Scores on cognitive tasks used in intelligence tests correlate positively with each other, that is, they display a positive manifold of correlations. The positive manifold is often explained by positing a dominant latent variable, the g factor, associated with a single quantitative cognitive or biological process or capacity. In this article, a new explanation of the positive manifold based on a dynamical model is proposed, in which reciprocal causation or mutualism plays a central role. It is shown that the positive manifold emerges purely by positive beneficial interactions between cognitive processes during development. A single underlying g factor plays no role in the model. The model offers explanations of important findings in intelligence research, such as the hierarchical factor structure of intelligence, the low predictability of intelligence from early childhood performance, the integration/differentiation effect, the increase in heritability of g, and the Jensen effect, and is consistent with current explanations of the Flynn effect.

http://hvandermaas.socsci.uva.nl/Hom...es/psyrev4.pdf

Beyond the fact that IQ ratings are a proven failed idea that relate in no way to how the brain actually works, the IQ test itself is so flawed that any numbers that come from it mean nothing. https://www.elephantjournal.com/2015...s-meaningless/

Further so-called IQ tests fail spectacularly to take into account the entire spectrum of multiple intelligences. IQ tests focus on one or two forms of intelligence alone, ignoring the multiple other interactions and failing to measure teh complex ways human intelligences interact and formulate. .
http://tecweb.org/styles/gardner.html

So, yes, deciding your child's medical treatment based on race is stupid, along with believing in race based causes for "intelligence" in the first place.

[tod evans]

Picking a doctor based on something as meaningless as race is stupid.

Obviously the broad in the OP felt differently...

[dannno]

First, I notice you supply no evidence there and your picture is from a random blog. Not exactly convincing evdience.

Here though are a few sources demonstrating how racist arguments based on IQ are stupid.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...enetics-095765

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...ce-free-speech


Second, anyone who seriously believes in "IQ" ratings has already proven themselves so ignorant they probably shouldn't be commenting on anything.





Indeed, even the idea of an underlying "intelligence" that is a singular thing that can be measured is false.



Beyond the fact that IQ ratings are a proven failed idea that relate in no way to how the brain actually works, the IQ test itself is so flawed that any numbers that come from it mean nothing. https://www.elephantjournal.com/2015...s-meaningless/

Further so-called IQ tests fail spectacularly to take into account the entire spectrum of multiple intelligences. IQ tests focus on one or two forms of intelligence alone, ignoring the multiple other interactions and failing to measure teh complex ways human intelligences interact and formulate. .
http://tecweb.org/styles/gardner.html

So, yes, deciding your child's medical treatment based on race is stupid, along with believing in race based causes for "intelligence" in the first place.

Dude, I've been over this enough times now you should understand why you are wrong, but so you don't pollute the brains of other forum members I'm going to have to explain again.

IQ does correlate with SAT scores. That is a fact. Some individuals score high on the SAT, but low on IQ, and some score low on SAT, but high on IQ. But if you look at a large set of data, people with higher IQs tend to score higher on SATs. Both the SAT test and the IQ test are measures of intelligence - they are not PERFECT measures of intelligence, there is NO SUCH THING as a perfect measure of intelligence. But people who score well on the SAT, and who score well on the IQ test tend to be more intelligent.

The fact is, an intelligent person should always score higher on any test than someone who isn't as intelligent, that is what makes them intelligent, is the ability to provide correct and accurate answers to puzzles or questions. But certainly there are different kinds of intelligence that come into play and allow some people to do better on some tests, and others to do well on other tests. Intelligence is not one dimensional.

However, at the end of the day, IQ correlates with SAT scores, income, college degrees, all sorts of things. Now, since it isn't a perfect measure of intelligence, you can't always make inferences on individuals' scores, but when you have a larger set of data, or a group, you can begin to make inferences.

That is why it is totally valid to use IQ scores to compare the intelligence of large groups of people. It may not be a perfect comparison, but it can tell you some good information. When you have a 20 point different in average IQ between two large groups of people, there IS something to that, no matter how many times you plug your ears with your fingers and scream "lalalalalalala" and pretend IQ scores don't mean anything.

[helmuth_hubener]

First, I notice you supply no evidence there and your picture is from a random blog.

I asked a simple question.
Which blob? I guess the black one?

Second, anyone who seriously believes in "IQ" ratings has already proven themselves so ignorant

You know, "ignorance" has an actual definition. I could make your case better than you. Erudition? Just a little: not my field, not my expertise! But enlightenment's open whene'er you may please:

https://www.journals.elsevier.com/intelligence/