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    The Future Of Energy?

    Imagine a form of nuclear energy with greater output and virtually no safety issues.
    Such is the promise of liquid flouride thorium reactors (LFTRs), and we've had several past interviews with thorium expert Kirk Sorensen to discuss their potential:

    • Much safer - No risk of environmental radiation contamination or plant explosion (e.g., Chernobyl, Fukushima, Three Mile Island)
    • Much more efficient at producing energy - Over 90% of the input fuel would be tapped for energy, vs. <1% in today's reactors
    • Less waste-generating - Most of the radioactive by-products would take days/weeks to degrade to safe levels, vs. decades/centuries
    • Much cheaper - Reactor footprints and infrastructure would be much smaller and could be constructed in modular fashion
    • More plentiful - LFTR reactors do not need to be located next to large water supplies, as current plants do
    • Less controversial - The byproducts of the thorium reaction are pretty useless for weaponization
    • Longer-lived - Thorium is much more plentiful than uranium and is treated as valueless today. There is virtually no danger of running out of it given LFTR plant efficiency



    More at: https://www.peakprosperity.com/podca...-future-energy
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    Less controversial - The byproducts of the thorium reaction are pretty useless for weaponization
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...ught-14821644/

    Is the "Superfuel" Thorium Riskier Than We Thought?


    Imagine a cheap, plentiful source of energy that could provide safe, emissions-free power for hundreds of years without refueling and without any risk of nuclear proliferation. The fuel is thorium, and it has been trumpeted by proponents as a "superfuel" that eludes many of the pitfalls of today's nuclear energy. But now, as a number of countries including China, India, and the United States explore the potential use of thorium for nuclear power, researchers say one of the biggest claims made about the fuel—its proliferation resistance—doesn't add up.

    "It may not be as resistant as touted and in some cases the risk of proliferation may be worse than other fuels," says Stephen Ashley of the University of Cambridge. In an article published in the journal Nature online today, Ashley and his colleagues highlight the potential dangers of thorium fuel.

    When thorium is irradiated, or exposed to radiation to prepare it for use as a fuel in nuclear reactions, the process forms small amounts of uranium-232. That highly radioactive isotope makes any handling of the fuel outside of a large reactor or reprocessing facility incredibly dangerous. The lethal gamma rays uranium-232 emits make any would-be bomb-maker think twice before trying to steal thorium.

    But Ashley and his co-authors say a simple tweak in the thorium irradiation recipe can sidestep the radioactive isotope's formation. If an element known as protactinium-233 is extracted from thorium early in the irradiation process, no uranium-232 will form. Instead, the separated protactinium-233 will decay into high purity uranium-233, which can be used in nuclear weapons.

    "Eight kilograms of uranium-233 can be used for a nuclear weapon," Ashley says. "The International Atomic Energy Agency views it the same as plutonium in terms of proliferation risk."

    Creating weapons-grade uranium in this way would require someone to have access to a nuclear reactor during the irradiation of thorium fuel, so it's not likely a terrorist group would be able to carry out the conversion. The bigger threat is that a country pursuing nuclear energy and nuclear weapons (say, Iran) could make both from thorium. "This technology could have a dual civilian and military use," Ashley says.
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    Even if this is true, it is still better than current tech.
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    Relative to nuclear energy- which was once sold as being cheap, safe, and unlimited source of energy, perhaps. Compared to other sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Relative to nuclear energy- which was once sold as being cheap, safe, and unlimited source of energy, perhaps. Compared to other sources?
    Nuclear was cheap, safe, and unlimited energy. This is even better.
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    liquid flouride thorium reactors
    Nice, and they can put the waste material into water supply, really good for our teeth
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Nice, and they can put the waste material into water supply, really good for our teeth
    That is a separate problem, one I agree with you about.
    But they would not have to use the flouride that way.
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    But but but Depleted Uranium (which is still radioactive) makes the goodest armor piercing rounds! Espeshully gooder for blowings up enemey tanks!
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    A Dutch nuclear research institute is conducting the first experiment in close to five decades on molten-salt nuclear reactors based on thorium.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/safer...072300683.html
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