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    Default How did US gain such an influence over the world?

    How did that happen? Are our presidents that smart?
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.



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    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Hard work.
    And relative freedom for our citizens.
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    Nobody knows?
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Nobody knows?
    The decline of america may be some kind of record when it is done .

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    I am thinking 1913.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    How did that happen? Are our presidents that smart?
    The British and the French bankrupted them selves in WW II so they had to pull back from their Empires ( which the USA more or less took over ),Europe was a wasteland so a lot of competitive industrial production was gone ( the USA was the only one with an intact industry ) and the only powers that still had vigor after WW II were the USA and SSSR. Most of the worlds establishment regimes just agreed to be vassals in exchange for protection from the revolutionaries. Only the French and Portuguese tried to go against the current but even they had to give in in time when their leaders with a backbone died.

    People tend to argue that communism was not a threat because the SSSR was poor ,that may be true but the Old Guard was terrified from revolution.They can survive war ,they can survive economic destruction but they never survive revolution.

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    Looks like somebody is beating around the bush. The Federal Reserve Act from 1913 enabled "dollarization" among many other things. Our freedoms were a very small price to pay for such power.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    the gold standard pegged all currencies of the world to the dollar. This made other countries dependent on the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfarnan View Post
    the gold standard pegged all currencies of the world to the dollar. This made other countries dependent on the US.
    You mean Bretton Woods not the gold standard.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    The British and the French bankrupted them selves in WW II so they had to pull back from their Empires ( which the USA more or less took over ),Europe was a wasteland so a lot of competitive industrial production was gone ( the USA was the only one with an intact industry ) and the only powers that still had vigor after WW II were the USA and SSSR. Most of the worlds establishment regimes just agreed to be vassals in exchange for protection from the revolutionaries. Only the French and Portuguese tried to go against the current but even they had to give in in time when their leaders with a backbone died.

    People tend to argue that communism was not a threat because the SSSR was poor ,that may be true but the Old Guard was terrified from revolution.They can survive war ,they can survive economic destruction but they never survive revolution.
    Damn, son. Tha tis an excellent tl;dr of that era if I ever saw one. I am impress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Damn, son. Tha tis an excellent tl;dr of that era if I ever saw one. I am impress.
    I am not impressed. You can not talk about WWII without talking about WWI.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I am not impressed. You can not talk about WWII without talking about WWI.
    Kurwa! Is good point.^^
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Hard work.
    Americans - the ultimate useful idiots.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    We avoided having our infrastructure destroyed by wars being fought on our own territory. We were able to continue to build while others had to rebuild (with our help). After WWII we were the "last man standing" with financial and economic capacity.
    "The only thing we have to fear is.... fear itself!" Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    We avoided having our infrastructure destroyed by wars being fought on our own territory. We were able to continue to build while others had to rebuild (with our help). After WWII we were the "last man standing" with financial and economic capacity.
    and then we lived happily ever after ...
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    On the eve of the first world war, US GDP was more than twice British, German, or Russian and was growing at a much higher rate.

    The destruction of Europe in two wars sped things along, but the US was already destined to be the greatest world power.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    the US was already destined to be the greatest world power.
    by whom?
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    On the eve of the first world war, US GDP was more than twice British, German, or Russian and was growing at a much higher rate.

    The destruction of Europe in two wars sped things along, but the US was already destined to be the greatest world power.


    No it was not. It was not even close and again this period was the time the USA was in its bubble period.

    No large army to siphon money from the economy unlike the European powers.
    No neighbors that could threaten the USA in any way.
    A scarcely populated continent rich with resources and on average a great climate.
    Benefiting from European capital and people running from the continent because of conflict and the terrible political climate.

    No WW I means no access of USA industry to foreign markets because the European powers would still hold their spheres of influence.
    No making money for 4 years from the war in Europe.
    No where near the flight of money and capital from Europe.

    And finally a very possible next target for carving up between the European powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    I said GDP. Your chart shows GDP/capita.

    US GDP in 1913 was, as I said, more than twice that of Britain, Germany, or Russia (the three largest European economies).

    See here

    P.S. If it's not clear, GDP (not GDP/capita) is what matters for geopolitical purposes. GDP/capita reflects living standards, GDP reflects the total resources which the state can extract and use for war purposes. That said, a higher GDP/capita allows a state to extract a larger fraction of its GDP before pushing the people below subsistence (and/or generating a mass tax revolt). So, actually, the case for US superiority is stronger than I stated. It had more than twice the GDP of its largest European rivals, and, thanks to higher GDP/capita could have tapped those larger resources more thoroughly before facing demographic collapse and/or revolt.

    No large army to siphon money from the economy unlike the European powers.
    No neighbors that could threaten the USA in any way.
    A scarcely populated continent rich with resources and on average a great climate.
    Benefiting from European capital and people running from the continent because of conflict and the terrible political climate.
    Yes, those are the some of the reasons that the US economy was so much larger than the European powers'.

    No making money for 4 years from the war in Europe.
    The US did not make money from the war in Europe, it lost vast amounts of money.

    Individual businessmen made money, of course, but it was an enormous net loss for the economy as a whole, as war always is everywhere.

    The direct fiscal cost alone (taxing, borrowing, printing) was $32 billion (this doesn't include indirect costs such as the lost labor from drafting millions of people, the loss output from the incredibly inefficient 'war socialism' that was adopted, etc). On the other side of the ledger, the value of war materiel exported to the allies during was much smaller, less than $10 billion, and of course only a fraction of that would have been profit. Moreover, the US ended up paying for part of the war reparations, by making loans to Germany which were subsequently repudiated. It was a loser all around, except for a handful of politically connected war profiteers.
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    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. -
    Thucydides

    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    We brought the sword... nothing more.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope






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