Was Lincoln a Tyrant?

[acptulsa]

I can prove you lie blatantly with quotes that you can't edit.

You say you can, but you don't?

[Anti Globalist]

He freed the slaves and then enslaved them and everyone else to the government making him a totalitarian slave master. I believe that would classify him as a tyrant.

[kona]

The fact remains that slavery is indefensible from a libertarian point of view.

I agree, but what does this mean? That Jefferson, Anti-Federalists, Jacksonians, and Classical Liberals...collectively the founders of libertarianism (more or less)...are indefensible? Your statement is 100% true but logic would then require us to throw some great men in the trash bin of history, and we would never do that, perhaps because the rest of their lives were so important, or maybe because people are uncomfortable retroactively applying morals from 200+ years in the future.

The libertarians of the 18th/19th centuries were (just as today) the beacons of freedom. If they were truly indefensible, I'm not sure how any other historical figures from back then could be defended.

[Swordsmyth]

I agree, but what does this mean? That Jefferson, Anti-Federalists, Jacksonians, and Classical Liberals...collectively the founders of libertarianism (more or less)...are indefensible? Your statement is 100% true but logic would then require us to throw some great men in the trash bin of history, and we would never do that, perhaps because the rest of their lives were so important, or maybe because people are uncomfortable retroactively applying morals from 200+ years in the future.

The libertarians of the 18th/19th centuries were (just as today) the beacons of freedom. If they were truly indefensible, I'm not sure how any other historical figures from back then could be defended.

You must know what freedom is before you can give it to others, the south needed to progress to give it to everyone but the North didn't even understand what it was and they took it from everyone.

[Stratovarious]

Lincoln was hypocritical scum.

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right — a right which, we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit. — Speech by Abraham Lincoln in the House of Representatives, January 12, 1848

Lincoln stated that the preservation of the Union was 'key' , regardless of whether slavery
was in place or abolished.
The John Birch Society claims Lincoln was a member of the illuminati, which makes sense in this context,
liberate the world via Globalism.

[acptulsa]

The libertarians of the 18th/19th centuries were (just as today) the beacons of freedom. If they were truly indefensible, I'm not sure how any other historical figures from back then could be defended.

I said slavery was indefensible. Slavery is not a person, or a group of people.

Can those people be defended? They had an excuse. The economics of tobacco farming in that place at that time made it about impossible to stay afloat without slaves. They couldn't have knit a nation together without permitting slavery. Is that excuse good enough?

[Superfluous Man]

That Jefferson, Anti-Federalists, Jacksonians, and Classical Liberals...collectively the founders of libertarianism (more or less)...are indefensible?

Those were collectively the founders of libertarianism? What are you talking about?

people are uncomfortable retroactively applying morals from 200+ years in the future.

Opposing slavery is not a moral from 200+ years in the future.

[Swordsmyth]

I said slavery was indefensible. Slavery is not a person, or a group of people.

Can those people be defended? They had an excuse. The economics of tobacco farming in that place at that time made it about impossible to stay afloat without slaves. They couldn't have knit a nation together without permitting slavery. Is that excuse good enough?

They were also born and raised in a system they didn't start and many of them wanted to end it.

[Swordsmyth]

Lincoln stated that the preservation of the Union was 'key' , regardless of whether slavery
was in place or abolished.
The John Birch Society claims Lincoln was a member of the illuminati, which makes sense in this context,
liberate the world via Globalism.

[osan]

Lincoln was a traitor to liberty and, by extension, to humanity.

[Aratus]

SULLA was a tyrant. Ole "Honest Abe" LINCOLN was a politician who had to try to unify a fragmented, badly split nation.
OLE JEFFERSON DAVIS WAS A PASSIONATELY PATRIOTIC YET CONTRADICTORY ELITIST TRAITOR OF THE FIRST ORDER...
LIZ CHENEY is correct, wily ole Donald Trump is the biggest threat to our nation and its Constitution. The second biggest
threat is not Woody Wilson or FDR or our Cold War military apparatus, instead its the complicated yet hidden court system
inside our classic & long running WAR ON TERROR. Our modern practical GOP is NOT on the moral high ground at all, today.

[Snowball]

SULLA was a tyrant. Ole "Honest Abe" LINCOLN was a politician who had to try to unify a fragmented, badly split nation.
OLE JEFFERSON DAVIS WAS A PASSIONATELY PATRIOTIC YET CONTRADICTORY ELITIST TRAITOR OF THE FIRST ORDER...
LIZ CHENEY is correct, wily ole Donald Trump is the biggest threat to our nation and its Constitution. The second biggest
threat is not Woody Wilson or FDR or our Cold War military apparatus, instead its the complicated yet hidden court system
inside our classic & long running WAR ON TERROR. Our modern practical GOP is NOT on the moral high ground at all, today.

If you think Davis or any other Confederate governor or general is a "traitor", you just don't understand their viewpoint... which was the prevailing American viewpoint in their times, and before. It has deep roots, legal and philosophical in American history, and it is this - the States are sovereign. They have their own legislatures, constitutions, and obligations to citizenry. They may or may not continue to stay in the federated union. They are free to withdraw, and even to form confederations amongst themselves.

[otherone]

LINCOLN was a politician who had to

"Had to"? Why? To benefit whom?

[TheTexan]

SULLA was a tyrant. Ole "Honest Abe" LINCOLN was a politician who had to try to unify a fragmented, badly split nation.

There is no honor in uniting a divided country by force.

It's just slavery by another name.