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    Default Donald Trump Won’t Move Embassy to Jerusalem, at Least for Now

    Promises made, promises not kept.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/w...rump.html?_r=0

    WASHINGTON — President Trump signed an order keeping the American Embassy in Tel Aviv rather than moving it to Jerusalem as he promised during last year’s campaign, aides said Thursday, disappointing many Israel supporters in hopes of preserving his chances of negotiating a peace settlement.

    Aides said the decision was just a delay and that he still planned to move the embassy to Jerusalem when conditions were right, although past presidents have said the same without ever acting. In a statement issued by the White House, officials said that Mr. Trump’s move should not be considered “a retreat from the president’s strong support for Israel” and its alliance with the United States.

    “President Trump made this decision to maximize the chances of successfully negotiating a deal between Israel and the Palestinians, fulfilling his solemn obligation to defend America’s national security interest,” the statement said. “But, as he has repeatedly stated his intention to move the embassy, the question is not if that happens, but only when.”

    Mr. Trump made no mention of his pending decision during a visit to Jerusalem just last week and waited to announce it until almost the last minute he could under law, demonstrating the deep political sensitivity of a city claimed by both Israelis and Palestinians. The order waives for six months a congressional edict requiring the embassy be located in Jerusalem, meaning he will have to consider the matter again by Dec. 1.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, who has nurtured a close relationship with Mr. Trump, offered only modest regret for the decision publicly. “Though Israel is disappointed that the embassy will not move at this time, we appreciate today’s expression of President Trump’s friendship to Israel and his commitment to moving the embassy in the future,” his office said in a statement.

    Husam Zomlot, the Palestinian Authority representative in the United States, welcomed the decision, saying it cleared away one obstacle to negotiations. “This is in line with the long held U.S. policy and the international consensus and it gives peace a chance,” he said.

    The decision is Mr. Trump’s latest shift away from campaign positions upending traditional foreign policy as the president spends more time in office and learns more about the trade-offs involved. He has reversed himself on declaring China a currency manipulator, backed off plans to lift sanctions against Russia, declared that NATO was not “obsolete” after all, opted for now not to rip up President Barack Obama’s nuclear agreement with Iran and ordered a punitive strike against Syria that he previously opposed in similar circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Promises made, promises not kept.

    A promise not kept by a politician?! Unprecedented!!!!!
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    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Good. It would only incite more violence and play into the hands of the jihadists.
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    Senate prods Trump to move Israeli Embassy to Jerusalem - https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...m-trump-239157
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    President Donald Trump on Wednesday recognized the disputed city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital -- a historic decision that overturns decades of US policy and risks triggering a fresh spasm of violence in the Middle East."I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," Trump said from the White House.

    "It's the right thing to do."
    The declaration calls into question seven decades of deliberate diplomatic ambiguity about the final status of a holy city vociferously claimed by both Israelis and Palestinians.
    Trump also kicked off the process of moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, making good on a campaign promise dear to evangelical Christian and right wing Jewish voters -- as well as donors.
    He said his decision marked the start of a "new approach" to solving the thorny conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rec...020407741.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    During his 2012 campaign for president, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul stressed the issue of national sovereignty when he was asked about the "Jerusalem Question." He replied, “The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want. If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that.”

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...e-to-jerusalem
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...lem-as-capital
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    Looks like these protestors did not get the memo:



    'Two-state Solution Is Over,' Top Palestinian Diplomat Says After Trump's Jerusalem Speech

    In exclusive comments to Haaretz, Saeb Erekat, chief Palestinian peace negotiator, said that Trump's decision forces Palestinians to strive for 'historic Palestine, from the river to the sea'
    Noa Landau and Jack Khoury Dec 06, 2017 11:54 PM

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...emium-1.827369 ( full story is behind paywall)




    ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...pronouncement/



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    Trump’s Jerusalem Decision Immediately Prompts Protests





    Scott Dworkin @funder
    BREAKING: Hundreds of protesters already rallying outside of U.S. diplomatic mission in Istanbul in response to Trump’s Jerusalem announcement
    2:07 PM - Dec 6, 2017


    Brian Ries @moneyries
    Trump's WWE appearances spotted on sign at Gaza protest against US moving its embassy to Jerusalem.
    1:32 PM - Dec 6, 2017

    http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jerus...imed-it-740273

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Looks like these protestors did not get the memo:



    'Two-state Solution Is Over,' Top Palestinian Diplomat Says After Trump's Jerusalem Speech

    In exclusive comments to Haaretz, Saeb Erekat, chief Palestinian peace negotiator, said that Trump's decision forces Palestinians to strive for 'historic Palestine, from the river to the sea'
    Noa Landau and Jack Khoury Dec 06, 2017 11:54 PM

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...emium-1.827369 ( full story is behind paywall)




    ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...pronouncement/



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    Trump’s Jerusalem Decision Immediately Prompts Protests





    Scott Dworkin @funder
    BREAKING: Hundreds of protesters already rallying outside of U.S. diplomatic mission in Istanbul in response to Trump’s Jerusalem announcement
    2:07 PM - Dec 6, 2017


    Brian Ries @moneyries
    Trump's WWE appearances spotted on sign at Gaza protest against US moving its embassy to Jerusalem.
    1:32 PM - Dec 6, 2017

    http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jerus...imed-it-740273
    This thread is old news, see my post above yours.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Promises made, promises not kept.


    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post

    CNN officially wants politicians who don't keep their promises.

    Fake News wants Fake Politics.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This reminded me of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state


    Even critics will have to admit that both Netanyahu & Trump are relatively much better at keeping their campaign promises compared to most politicians.

    Trump Calls Abbas: Tells Trump 'No Palestinian state without East Jerusalem as capital'





    That said, it does not show much "courage" , as he seemed to imply yesterday, to selectively keep promises that powerful lobbies and his rich donors pressure him to fulfill.







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    His claim for "courage" would have been credible if he had said US supports freedom for both Israelis and Palestinians and US recognizes "Palestinian State" for all Plestinian children even if their race is non-chosen.

    He sure can stand up to media and many politicians.. but can he stand up to "Andrew Adlers" of America, power full lobbies, rich dictators abroad?

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    Interesting comment at antiwar:

    "This makes the move the worst of both worlds, making an on-paper move that’s going to cause a massive backlash, and the embassy move is far down the road at any rate."
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