Mark Zuckerberg calls for new equality, new social contract, and universal income

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Mark Zuckerberg joins Silicon Valley bigwigs in calling for government to give everybody free money

• Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg just wrapped up his Harvard Commencement speech
• Zuckerberg touched on America's economics, health care system and the need to "modernize democracy"
• Zuckerberg also called for universal basic income, echoing other elite members of Silicon Valley

Todd Haselton | @robotodd
Thursday, 25 May 2017 | 4:28 PM ETCNBC.com




Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg called on the need to consider universal basic income for Americans during his Harvard Commencement Speech.

Zuckerberg's comments reflect those of other Silicon Valley bigwigs, including Sam Altman, the president of venture capital firm Y Combinator.

"Every generation expands its definition of equality. Now it's time for our generation to define a new social contract," Zuckerberg said during his speech. "We should have a society that measures progress not by economic metrics like GDP but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful. We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure everyone has a cushion to try new ideas."

Zuckerberg said that, because he knew he had a safety net if projects like Facebook had failed, he was confident enough to continue on without fear of failing. Others, he said, such as children who need to support households instead of poking away on computers learning how to code, don't have the foundation Zuckerberg had. Universal basic income would provide that sort of cushion, Zuckerberg argued.

Altman's view is similar. A year ago, Altman said he thinks "everyone should have enough money to meet their basic needs—no matter what, especially if there are enough resources to make it possible. We don't yet know how it should look or how to pay for it, but basic income seems a promising way to do this." Altman believes basic income will be possible as technological advancements "generate an abundance of resources" that help decrease the cost of living.



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[Mordan]

i agree with the universal income. I come from the left on this issue. We are social animals. Universal income is the only way to deal with the robots taking over.

[dannno]

Universal income is the only way to deal with the robots taking over.

Based on what logic?

Robots are NEVER going to be able to literally do everything.. they will have to be programmed for production of new types of goods, they will have to be maintained.. and there are other things people like, art, music, massages, intimacy, these can't be replaced by robots.

Society has been mechanizing for centuries, and what has happened? The standard of living has drastically increased, people in poverty in many cases live better than kings and queens did centuries ago.

I mean, you could have 100% employment if we removed all technology and all mechanization and went back to farming.. and everybody would be poor as $#@! and have nothing..

No, we are much better off with mechanization.

What will happen as it takes less resources to produce things, is that they become cheaper. It may be that some day, things are so cheap that you can work for a week, make a salary, and pay for 6 months of goods and services. Or you can work for a year and retire.

Don't $#@! that up by creating a bunch of freeloaders. We'll never even get there that way.

Plus, taxation is theft.

[tod evans]

Zuckerberg can fund this BS all by his lonesome...

Maybe he and Gates can open up free-$#@! clinics and give away vaccines and money.

[otherone]

"Every generation expands its definition of equality. Now it's time for our generation to define a new social contract," Zuckerberg said during his speech. "We should have a society that measures progress not by economic metrics like GDP but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful. We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure everyone has a cushion to try new ideas."

[nobody's_hero]

I thought the Romans already modernized democracy when they invented the republic.

We're going the opposite direction.

If you want to modernize democracy, get rid of it.

[Mordan]

Based on what logic?

Robots are NEVER going to be able to literally do everything.. they will have to be programmed for production of new types of goods, they will have to be maintained.. and there are other things people like, art, music, massages, intimacy, these can't be replaced by robots.

Society has been mechanizing for centuries, and what has happened? The standard of living has drastically increased, people in poverty in many cases live better than kings and queens did centuries ago.

I mean, you could have 100% employment if we removed all technology and all mechanization and went back to farming.. and everybody would be poor as $#@! and have nothing..

No, we are much better off with mechanization.

What will happen as it takes less resources to produce things, is that they become cheaper. It may be that some day, things are so cheap that you can work for a week, make a salary, and pay for 6 months of goods and services. Or you can work for a year and retire.

Don't $#@! that up by creating a bunch of freeloaders. We'll never even get there that way.

Plus, taxation is theft.

I understand my stance is not popular here but that's my views. Freeloader? What is a freeloader? Are you a freeloader when paid to live?

I am not against Robots. I like them very much thank you. But most work will be done by robots and AI. Bitcoin and smart contracts will replace banks and back offices..

Taxes are unavoidable. It is a social contract.
Do you think people will stop working ? Think about continuous mathematical functions. Now start the UI income at 1 dollar and increase it by 1 dollar every month until it reaches the maximum, say 500 dollars.
This brings more security, thus more buyers, thus more profit. Rich people don't care about the UI. But Rich people are scared not to find cheap labor ahahahaha yes that's true! While people earning 1000USD will like it and it will enhance their lives.

[AuH20]

Tom Woods chimes in:

Every generation expands its definition of equality," said Mark Zuckerberg in his Harvard commencement speech, before going on to endorse the idea of a basic income guarantee.

This is what M.E. Bradford -- the guy the neocons attacked viciously when he was nominated to head the National Endowment for the Humanities -- tried to warn about in his famous print debate with Harry Jaffa in the 1970s.

Equality with a capital E, Bradford said, is the enemy of every conservative principle. It is relentless and revolutionary, overturning any settled practice that cannot justify itself by its ever more demanding criteria. (Jaffa, by contrast, considered equality to be the foundational conservative principle.)

At one time, equality meant no special privileges from government (the "equal rights" of Jacksonianism).

To some it meant school desegregation.

To others it meant forcible integration, even if that meant busing students two hours each way to achieve racial balance.

(Result of that: parents simply moved far enough away that their kids couldn't be bused, so leftists actually wound up sabotaging their own goal.)

For some it means "equality of opportunity."

For others it means affirmative action, since "equality of opportunity" is meaningless when some people lack "privilege."

For still others it means safe spaces and censorship.

For some it means the equal right to earn a living.

For others it means the right to an equal share of the pie.

And on and on it goes, like an acid, eating away at individual rights and private property.

The state, meanwhile, loves the idea: an ever-changing concept that demands more and more state power to enforce, and which can never actually be achieved? This is the state's dream!

Bradford warned about precisely what Zuckerberg cheers: that there's no stability under the regime of Equality. What it demands of you, and how it will transform society, are constantly changing.

If you haven't heard episode 519 of my show, where I discuss and debate the "universal basic income" idea, I think you'll like it. (But listen all the way to the end, or you'll miss the best part and my great triumph.)

[AuH20]

Nothing is free. What does Mark Zuckerberg expect in return? I wonder.

[Dr.3D]

Ah, the equal freedom to be lazy. Now if everybody thinks that way, who would grow the food?

[timosman]

Nothing is free. What does Mark Zuckerberg expect in return? I wonder.

POTUS. Zuck 2020

[Madison320]

Think about continuous mathematical functions

How about this math:

Current tax receipts = 3 trillion a year

300 million people * $12,000(universal income) = $3.6 trillion a year

Not sure how we'd afford this.

[CCTelander]

Then go ahead and use YOUR billions to provide it motherfucker.

I am sick of billionaires being "generous" with other people's money.

[devil21]

"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us." - famous USSR quote

The pretend pay is the universal blockchain based "income" tied into the chip. The pretend work is whatever the government decides you are best suited to do based on mandatory aptitude tests.

Since this is Zuckerberg giving a speech to the next generation of Rothschild schooled elites (Harvard logo is Red Shield), it's clear the NWO socialist agenda rolls on uninterrupted.

Then go ahead and use YOUR billions to provide it motherfucker.

I am sick of billionaires being "generous" with other people's money.

Far be it from me to defend Zuck but he did say he was selling his FB stock to further these sorts of things. Of course, once Zuck's (his handlers, really) dream is realized, there won't be any "dollars" to speak of and his on-paper wealth will be long gone.

How about this math:

Current tax receipts = 3 trillion a year

300 million people * $12,000(universal income) = $3.6 trillion a year

Not sure how we'd afford this.

By that point, expect the population of the country to be substantially lower than the current 300M figure.

[Swordsmyth]

Once they get Joe Average to take the money they will suddenly turn "right" and tell him he has to be in the "civilian national security reserve force" otherwise known as junior G-Men if he wants to keep it. And they will a stampede to get a badge and start finking on everybody.
After all you can't just give away money for nothing.

[euphemia]

Wait until people get the money then decide to vote that people like Zuckerberg have to live by the standard they set for everyone else.

[timosman]

Money for nothing, chicks for free.

[Brian4Liberty]

Then go ahead and use YOUR billions to provide it motherfucker.

I am sick of billionaires being "generous" with other people's money.

Socialism is always about other people's money. It's just that the hypocrisy goes to a whole new level when it's billionaires that want to take money from others and redistribute as they want, which usually means a big cut for them and their cronies.

[Mordan]

How about this math:

Current tax receipts = 3 trillion a year

300 million people * $12,000(universal income) = $3.6 trillion a year

Not sure how we'd afford this.

Depends on the UI. You decided it was 1000 USD per month. Do it again with 500-600.

Let me remind you that the UI replaces existing social payouts. No more food stamps.

[Swordsmyth]

Let me remind you that the UI replaces existing social payouts. No more food stamps.

HAHAHAHAHA!
No handout ever has or ever will result in the end of another handout.

[Mordan]

Socialism is always about other people's money. It's just that the hypocrisy goes to a whole new level when it's billionaires that want to take money from others and redistribute as they want, which usually means a big cut for them and their cronies.

The funny thing about the Universal Income is that many socialists don't want it. They don't want the universal income because it would force personal responsibility upon people. The socialists say the UI will destroy solidarity. They say the UI is cold darwinism. Take the money and survive with it.

[Mordan]

HAHAHAHAHA!
No handout ever has or ever will result in the end of another handout.

well then you cannot fund the UI.

[Swordsmyth]

well then you cannot fund the UI.

Debt, Inflation, massive Taxes. Haven't you ever heard of those?

[Brian4Liberty]

The funny thing about the Universal Income is that many socialists don't want it. They don't want the universal income because it would force personal responsibility upon people. The socialists say the UI will destroy solidarity. They say the UI is cold darwinism. Take the money and survive with it.

One of the common denominators I have seen with people who are on the government dole is that they have no ability to plan ahead or conserve. Give them a $1000, they tend to spend it immediately, often in a frivolous manner. "Woo hoo! I have some money! Filet Mignon and lobster for dinner tonight!"

[parocks]

However it is that Facebook gets its money - tax that thing. Generally don't want any taxes or government, and if everyone just started killing each other at least there would be fewer crowds.

Ads on TV on facebook in newpapers and magazines should all be heavily taxed. Ever since I've been alive, and longer, it's been - find the decent, normal people and take as much from them as possible. Everyone else - free for you.

[parocks]

One of the common denominators I have seen with people who are on the government dole is that they have no ability to plan ahead or conserve. Give them a $1000, they tend to spend it immediately, often in a frivolous manner. "Woo hoo! I have some money! Filet Mignon and lobster for dinner tonight!"

food is pretty cheap. lobster really isn't all that expensive. I'd like it if the wheat wasn't poisoned by glyphosate, but Monsanto owns the government. It really doesn't bother me at all if people are buying good things that aren't poison to eat, like lobster.

I wouldn't have a problem with, would like, if the government could give good non poison wheat to everybody. Big bags of it. but I don't really have confidence that, if given the opportunity, the government wouldn't just poison everyone intentionally. That's the world we live in now.

[AZJoe]

Taxes are unavoidable. It is a social contract.

No they aren't. and No its not.

[Mikezelot]

The biggest problem with UI is that prices will go up. If you are alowed to use $30 on bread products you know what the price of bread is going to be?

Answer: $30

[AZJoe]

i agree with the universal income. I come from the left on this issue. We are social animals. Universal income is the only way to deal with the robots taking over.

This is just Statist BS in favor of theft, and more government power. Taxation is theft.

No. More theft by government, more dependence on political elites, and more government control is not the answer. The answer is more freedom.

"I would end the income tax, and replace it with nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.

"About 45 percent of all federal revenue comes from the personal income tax. That means that about 55 percent — over half of all revenue — comes from other sources, like excise taxes, fees, and corporate taxes. ... We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to ‘replace’ the income tax at all." - Dr. Ron Paul.

You want to really see an economy take off? See wealth, and innovation, and standard of living explode? End the income tax. That gives everyone, as well as business and corporations an up to 50% increase in take home income. People can choose to work less if they want. People have more disposable income. They can spend more on themselves and children. They can focus on innovation, ideas, inventions, art and more. All that of course means more business for all sorts of businesses. It also means much larger profit margins for businesses. That allows competition to drive the prices down while still allowing more income for business. So not only does everyone have more income. Their money goes much farther buying more for less.

It will unleash “the biggest boost in prosperity that America has ever seen. There will be a job for everyone who can work and charity for everyone who can’t.” - Harry Browne

"Without the burden of an income tax, private education will flourish. Parents will be able to afford the education they think best for their children. Families where both parents are now forced to work fulltime will be able to afford, if they wish, to let one parent stay home and devote their time to their children. Nothing will do more to strengthen family values than ending the income tax. ... Ending the income tax will limit government power and force government to act with far more restraint and responsibility." - Advocates for Self Government.

"Imagine what would happen if we repealed all forms of federal income tax — including the personal income tax, the corporate income tax, Social Security, the estate tax, and the gift tax. A world of benefits would quickly come in the wake of repealing these taxes.
The first benefit is the most obvious: all the money you’re paying in income taxes will be yours — to spend, to save, to give away as you see fit, not as the politicians think is best for you…
When we repeal the income tax, all that you pay now in income and Social Security taxes will be yours at last — to do with as you see fit.
If yours is the average American family, that means over $10,000 dollars a year that’s been going to the politicians that will stay in your hands.
Every dollar you earn will be yours — to spend, to save, to give away as you see fit…
So what will you do with that money when they no longer take it away from you?
Will you put your children in private schools — where you could get exactly the kind of education you believe best for them? …
Will you start that business you’ve always dreamed of?
Will you move into a better neighborhood, take your family on a better vacation, arrange a much more comfortable and much more secure retirement?
Will you help your church or your favorite cause or charity in a way you’ve never been able to do before?
What will you do with that money?
At last, it will all be yours — and the government will no longer have a claim on it. …
There will be a similar increase in take-home pay for everyone you do business with — your customers or your employer — meaning that people will have more money to spend on what you have to offer.
A similar increase in take-home pay will occur throughout America, unleashing the biggest boost in prosperity that America has ever seen. There will be a job for everyone who can work and charity for everyone who can’t.
Your life will be your own again: an end to government snooping into your finances, an end to keeping books for the IRS, an end to fear of an audit, an end to rearranging your financial life to minimize your tax burden.” - Harry Browne, 2003.

Dr. Ron Paul: End the Income Tax. Abolish the IRS.

[Natural Citizen]

i agree with the universal income.

How would you enforce it?