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Thread: Mark Zuckerberg calls for new equality, new social contract, and universal income

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    This is just Statist BS in favor of theft, and more government power. Taxation is theft.

    No. More theft by government, more dependence on political elites, and more government control is not the answer. The answer is more freedom.

    "I would end the income tax, and replace it with nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.

    "About 45 percent of all federal revenue comes from the personal income tax. That means that about 55 percent — over half of all revenue — comes from other sources, like excise taxes, fees, and corporate taxes. ... We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to ‘replace’ the income tax at all." - Dr. Ron Paul.

    You want to really see an economy take off? See wealth, and innovation, and standard of living explode? End the income tax. That gives everyone, as well as business and corporations an up to 50% increase in take home income. People can choose to work less if they want. People have more disposable income. They can spend more on themselves and children. They can focus on innovation, ideas, inventions, art and more. All that of course means more business for all sorts of businesses. It also means much larger profit margins for businesses. That allows competition to drive the prices down while still allowing more income for business. So not only does everyone have more income. Their money goes much farther buying more for less.

    It will unleash “the biggest boost in prosperity that America has ever seen. There will be a job for everyone who can work and charity for everyone who can’t.” - Harry Browne

    "Without the burden of an income tax, private education will flourish. Parents will be able to afford the education they think best for their children. Families where both parents are now forced to work fulltime will be able to afford, if they wish, to let one parent stay home and devote their time to their children. Nothing will do more to strengthen family values than ending the income tax. ... Ending the income tax will limit government power and force government to act with far more restraint and responsibility." - Advocates for Self Government.

    "Imagine what would happen if we repealed all forms of federal income tax — including the personal income tax, the corporate income tax, Social Security, the estate tax, and the gift tax. A world of benefits would quickly come in the wake of repealing these taxes.
    The first benefit is the most obvious: all the money you’re paying in income taxes will be yours — to spend, to save, to give away as you see fit, not as the politicians think is best for you…
    When we repeal the income tax, all that you pay now in income and Social Security taxes will be yours at last — to do with as you see fit.
    If yours is the average American family, that means over $10,000 dollars a year that’s been going to the politicians that will stay in your hands.
    Every dollar you earn will be yours — to spend, to save, to give away as you see fit…
    So what will you do with that money when they no longer take it away from you?
    Will you put your children in private schools — where you could get exactly the kind of education you believe best for them? …
    Will you start that business you’ve always dreamed of?
    Will you move into a better neighborhood, take your family on a better vacation, arrange a much more comfortable and much more secure retirement?
    Will you help your church or your favorite cause or charity in a way you’ve never been able to do before?
    What will you do with that money?
    At last, it will all be yours — and the government will no longer have a claim on it. …
    There will be a similar increase in take-home pay for everyone you do business with — your customers or your employer — meaning that people will have more money to spend on what you have to offer.
    A similar increase in take-home pay will occur throughout America, unleashing the biggest boost in prosperity that America has ever seen. There will be a job for everyone who can work and charity for everyone who can’t.
    Your life will be your own again: an end to government snooping into your finances, an end to keeping books for the IRS, an end to fear of an audit, an end to rearranging your financial life to minimize your tax burden.” - Harry Browne, 2003.


    Dr. Ron Paul: End the Income Tax. Abolish the IRS.
    Amen brother!
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Taxes are unavoidable. It is a social contract.
    Do you think people will stop working ? Think about continuous mathematical functions. Now start the UI income at 1 dollar and increase it by 1 dollar every month until it reaches the maximum, say 500 dollars.
    This brings more security, thus more buyers, thus more profit. Rich people don't care about the UI. But Rich people are scared not to find cheap labor ahahahaha yes that's true! While people earning 1000USD will like it and it will enhance their lives.
    GET. OUT.

    Unbelievable, what this place has come to...



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    food is pretty cheap. lobster really isn't all that expensive. I'd like it if the wheat wasn't poisoned by glyphosate, but Monsanto owns the government. It really doesn't bother me at all if people are buying good things that aren't poison to eat, like lobster.

    I wouldn't have a problem with, would like, if the government could give good non poison wheat to everybody. Big bags of it. but I don't really have confidence that, if given the opportunity, the government wouldn't just poison everyone intentionally. That's the world we live in now.
    If they're going to poison anyone, it'll be the ones who are well off enough to buy their own wheat from whomever they choose.

    Poor, desperate people are easy to control and will give up their votes to the first unicorn-distributing politician that promises endless promises if only the desperate will elect them.

    People who are disciplined and good stewards of their own money are threats because they are harder to buy.

    Don't eat any wheat today.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    GET. OUT.

    Unbelievable, what this place has come to...
    I am free to think the UI is a good thing. What's your stance on paid holidays??? Holy $#@!!! People are PAID to go on holidays???? This is insane. What has the world come to?

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    ...it seems obvious to me that we should be treated equally with respect to the issuance of 'newly-created' money...call it 'a guaranteed income' if you want...this would result in a much more decent system/society than the one we have now:...a society where the secret-squirrel banksters/'corporations' control and/or are STRONGLY favored with respect to the issuance of 'newly-created' money...a society where the rest of us must grovel to the goddamned banksters/corporate chieftan$ for 'money'...
    Last edited by H. E. Panqui; 05-28-2017 at 12:05 PM.

  8. #36
    This reminds me of some animal out in the wild, thinking, I shouldn't have to hunt for food, it should be given to me so I can have food without having to do anything for it.

    Them that works, eats.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    This reminds me of some animal out in the wild, thinking, I shouldn't have to hunt for food, it should be given to me so I can have food without having to do anything for it.

    Them that works, eats.
    'Society' is a failure...

    Too many ticks not enough hosts....

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    'Society' is a failure...

    Too many ticks not enough hosts....
    Even a tick has to work to find a host. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Them that works, eats.
    ...unless you call the fraud of 'deposit creation' [tapping some new number$ that did not previously 'exist' into a computer] 'work' then surely you must understand the bankster people who eat the be$t don't truly 'work' at all....zuckerberg's plan probably does suck but the status-quo (never honestly discussed publicly) really really sucks...anyone who complains about zuckerberg's plan and is silent about and/or without an honest understanding of the current stinking rotten order (most all people i've ever met!) is worthy of contempt...

    ...as one wag put it, "Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take this power away from them, and all the great fortunes disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control credit."

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    I am free to think the UI is a good thing. What's your stance on paid holidays??? Holy $#@!!! People are PAID to go on holidays???? This is insane. What has the world come to?
    Have you suffered a brain injury?

    Seriously... just leave.

  15. #42
    zuckerberg watches too much Star Trek.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Ah, the equal freedom to be lazy. Now if everybody thinks that way, who would grow the food?
    Robot farmers.

    And automated Soylent Green centers

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Them that works, eats.
    Unless you are in a zoo...

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Have you suffered a brain injury?

    Seriously... just leave.
    hahaha i knew you would choke on the paid holiday

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    Fantastic, equality is the way to go.

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    hahaha i knew you would choke on the paid holiday
    Firstly, There is no Federal law that requires an employer to provide time off, paid or otherwise, to employees on nationally recognized holidays.

    It is a choice for an employer to do that. We call this economic liberty.

    Do you know why Socialism never works? I'll tell you why. Socialism doesn't work because it can't calculate profit and loss. It's not possible. There's no such thing as loss and profit if everyone is making the same. Consequently, there can be no competition. Only the free market creates loss and profit. Only the free market creates competition.

    What you're posturing for here is a government run, socialist, market. That won't work. It will fail. Again, competition cannot exist. Competition cannot exist when people aren't permitted to compete by setting their own costs.


    Actually, the founders would have hung your silly ass in the town square. lolol.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 05-28-2017 at 05:26 PM.

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    I'm surprised you don't have more red bars to be honest. Why the heck you have full green bars escapes me considering most of the posts I've read from you.

    That can be reversed in about 3 days if you're not careful. It's been done.

    Of course, I'm not saying that we should all do this. I'm just saying that's it's been done.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 05-28-2017 at 05:36 PM.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I'm surprised you don't have more red bars to be honest. Why the heck you have full green bars escapes me considering most of the posts I've read from you.

    That can be reversed in about 3 days if you're not careful. It's been done.

    Of course, I'm not saying that we should all do this. I'm just saying that's it's been done.
    Mordan caught a case of Trumpitis.

    From April of 2013 to April of 2016 he was a no show around here.

    Prior to that he seemed a pretty solid Paul supporter.

    He was pro Trump on his return in 2016 and has been since.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I'm surprised you don't have more red bars to be honest. Why the heck you have full green bars escapes me considering most of the posts I've read from you.

    That can be reversed in about 3 days if you're not careful. It's been done.

    Of course, I'm not saying that we should all do this. I'm just saying that's it's been done.
    Green bars are not a measure of libertarian orthodoxy. You are threatening my green bars so that I espouse your ideas. Extreme libertarians are just as toxic as communists or fascists.

    Life is full of compromise. You don't have a free market. It is a theoretical thing.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Extreme libertarians are just as toxic as communists or fascists.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    hahaha i knew you would choke on the paid holiday
    What the $#@! are you talking about? I didn't say anything about paid holidays.

    I just love this type of response by the way... pose non-sequitur, to which one doesn't respond because why would you, then declare victory.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    I am free to think the UI is a good thing. What's your stance on paid holidays??? Holy $#@!!! People are PAID to go on holidays???? This is insane. What has the world come to?
    I'm not following. What do paid holidays have to do with UI?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I'm not following.
    That's because you're a girl.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Green bars are not a measure of libertarian orthodoxy. You are threatening my green bars so that I espouse your ideas. Extreme libertarians are just as toxic as communists or fascists.

    Life is full of compromise. You don't have a free market. It is a theoretical thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    That's because you're a girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
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    Pay him no mind, he's all full of piss and vinegar because he flew to China or some damn place...prolly get a few days off in Bangkok.




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  32. #57
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    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

  33. #58
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    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

  34. #59
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

    Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.


    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

  35. #60
    I read this thread and it makes no sense . All I got from it was that I support pd holidays for me but think the rest of you slackers should be working . Do something Danke .
    Do something Danke

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