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    The US Air Force Now Wants to Keep the A-10, U-2, and F-15C

    The U.S. Air Force plans to keep the A-10 Warthog and U-2 spy plane flying, reversing course after years of arguing that the service needed to retire the Cold War-era aircraft to pay for newer planes and drones.
    The Air Force has also decided keep the F-15C fighter, a plane that generals had recently suggested was also on the chopping block. The decisions were announced in the Trump administration’s first military budget request sent to Congress on Tuesday. Lawmakers are likely to support the plan since they have routinely added funds to save the A-10 and U-2 from retirement time after time in recent years.

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    More like the new military leadership has gotten the message and is telling the administration and Congress what they already want to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    More like the new military leadership has gotten the message and is telling the administration and Congress what they already want to hear.
    The A-10 needs an upgrade, but it has no peers let alone rivals.
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    Why do we need those planes when we have F-22?

    The F-22 looks way cooler IMO

    I mean just look at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Why do we need those planes when we have F-22?

    The F-22 looks way cooler IMO

    I mean just look at it

    It can't touch the A-10 for ground attack.
    The U-2 is a spy plane.
    I don't know enough about the F15c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It can't touch the A-10 for ground attack.
    The U-2 is a spy plane.
    I don't know enough about the F15c.
    I dunno. The A-10 looks like it was designed in the 1960's
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    If the F-22 and F-35 are such failures that we're resorting to 50 year old technology

    Then we need to start a new aircraft program and give them more budget this time so they can get it right IMO.

    Preferably LMT should get the contract again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If the F-22 and F-35 are such failures that we're resorting to 50 year old technology

    Then we need to start a new aircraft program and give them more budget this time so they can get it right IMO.

    Preferably LMT should get the contract again.
    As far as I know the F-22 is great, but the A-10 is a Ground attack specialist, the F-22 is an air superiority specialist.
    The A-10 needs a refit package with modern tech and new production lines but no replacement is necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    but no replacement is necessary.
    I can think of a few hundred billion reasons why a replacement might be necessary.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The A-10 needs an upgrade, but it has no peers let alone rivals.
    You seem to be implying that is a good thing, and not that there's a reason why no other country in the world sees a need for a plane in that role.

    The a-10 has not done the job that it was designed for since 1991, or on the very outside since 2003. It is a meme plane. The air force could replace it with something like the super tucano for drastic cost savings if they actually think we need a plane for that exclusive counter-goat-herd role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You seem to be implying that is a good thing, and not that there's a reason why no other country in the world sees a need for a plane in that role.

    The a-10 has not done the job that it was designed for since 1991, or on the very outside since 2003. It is a meme plane. The air force could replace it with something like the super tucano for drastic cost savings if they actually think we need a plane for that exclusive counter-goat-herd role.
    The U.S. needs the best equipment available to perform it's Constitutional function to defend American Soil from neer-peer adversaries.
    We should not be bombing goat herds overseas, we should be ready to atomize EU or Russian tanks in an invasion.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 05-24-2017 at 06:26 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    we should be ready to atomize EU or Russian tanks in an invasion.
    +rep if russian tanks land in miami or LA we need to be prepared for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The U.S. needs the best equipment available to perform it's Constitutional function to defend American Soil from neer-peer adversaries.
    We should not be bombing goat herds overseas, we should be ready to atomize EU or Russian tanks in an invasion.
    EU or Russian tanks on domestic soil as part of an invasion... How, exactly? Neither entity has the assets necessary to transport their tanks to us. Russia can barely get a single aircraft carrier to the Mediterranean.

    Even assuming that such a mythical risk actually existed, we would be better off spending our money on the Navy or planes that can be used against both ships and tanks. Again, not the a-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    EU or Russian tanks on domestic soil as part of an invasion... How, exactly? Neither entity has the assets necessary to transport their tanks to us. Russia can barely get a single aircraft carrier to the Mediterranean.

    Even assuming that such a mythical risk actually existed, we would be better off spending our money on the Navy or planes that can be used against both ships and tanks. Again, not the a-10.
    Threats must be prepared for ahead of time.
    Someday we might not rule the seas, Britain no longer does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Threats must be prepared for ahead of time.
    Someday we might not rule the seas, Britain no longer does.
    Not to mention aliens, we should be prepared for that contingency also
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Not to mention aliens, we should be prepared for that contingency also
    If hostile aliens were known to exist, then yes. But they don't exist.
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    The A-10 is the best close support aircraft.

    The F-22 is the best air superiority fighter.

    The F-35 is the best for Lockheed Martin's share price.

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    They should probably go ahead and build some more F-14s for the new Top Gun movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Why do we need those planes when we have F-22?

    The F-22 looks way cooler IMO

    I mean just look at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The A-10 is the best close support aircraft.

    The F-22 is the best air superiority fighter.

    The F-35 is the best for Lockheed Martin's share price.
    The A-10 is the worst

    The F-22 is the best

    The F-35 is the One with a hairy chest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    The A-10 is the worst

    The F-22 is the best

    The F-35 is the One with a hairy chest.
    The Good: F-22
    The Bad: F-35
    And
    The Ugly(but still meaner than a junkyard dog) : A-10
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Why do we need those planes when we have F-22?

    The F-22 looks way cooler IMO

    I mean just look at it

    I was hoping I could buy about four A 10's at auction for 20 FRN's or so .
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    They should probably go ahead and build some more F-14s for the new Top Gun movie.
    Now you're talking.

    I've said this many times, if we're forever doomed to living in an authoritarian police state, well, damn it, let it be a manly one with cool movies and military parades with frog marching troops and phalanxes of missile batteries.

    The numbing fog of matriarchal, post menopausal, hectoring, nagging Grundyism that is the modern AmeriKan nanny/safety state, is stultifying.

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    there was a loud flyover of an f-18 "growler" in celebration of "military appreciation something" at last Saturday's Sounder game....

    boy do I miss sequestration.

    certainly I can see the point of those in favor of a robust air force and defense to protect our borders from those marauding Mexicans and pesky Canadians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The A-10 is the best close support aircraft.

    The F-22 is the best air superiority fighter.

    The F-35 is the best for Lockheed Martin's share price.
    I dunno I think if I were the enemy I would be more afraid of the f-35 especially one that I could see. I think the whole thing with the f35 is that it has untested stealth technologies and is nuclear capable. I don't think the f35 is deisgned to be a dog fighter, I think its designed to drop WMDs from the air without any one being the wiser.

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    When I was in Iraq, the A-10 certainly had it's hands full. That Vulcan cannon is a mindblowing weapon with an unmistakable sound. It is a tank buster and can eliminate AA positions in seconds. It performs the CAS mission better than any aircraft IMO.

    That being said. It is an ASSAULT aircraft. If the US would stop $#@!ing illegally ASSAULTING other countries, this plane would cease to be of use and should rightly be retired. There are enough of these aircraft in the "airplane graveyard" that could quickly be retrofitted and made operational if such a DOMESTIC threat necessitated it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    When I was in Iraq, the A-10 certainly had it's hands full. That Vulcan cannon is a mindblowing weapon with an unmistakable sound. It is a tank buster and can eliminate AA positions in seconds. It performs the CAS mission better than any aircraft IMO.

    That being said. It is an ASSAULT aircraft. If the US would stop $#@!ing illegally ASSAULTING other countries, this plane would cease to be of use and should rightly be retired. There are enough of these aircraft in the "airplane graveyard" that could quickly be retrofitted and made operational if such a DOMESTIC threat necessitated it.
    Yep. That's why they like it. It fits the current "mission" perfectly. If the other side had an Air Force, then it wouldn't work so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If hostile aliens were known to exist, then yes. But they don't exist.
    I think until we know, we should beef up our defense contracts with LMT just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    There are enough of these aircraft in the "airplane graveyard" that could quickly be retrofitted and made operational if such a DOMESTIC threat necessitated it.
    The best defense is a good offense.


    Speaking of that, we haven't nuked anyone in a while. Should get to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I think until we know, we should beef up our defense contracts with LMT just in case.
    Waste Fraud and Corruption are a different question. One I am in complete agreement with your implied opinion on.
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