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    A Special Prosecutor Is Needed... For Criminal Leaks

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-23/special-prosecutor-needed-criminal-leaks

    by Tyler Durden

    May 23, 2017 3:15 PM


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    Authored by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,
    Who is the real threat to the national security?




    Is it President Trump who shared with Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov the intelligence that ISIS was developing laptop bombs to put aboard airliners?

    Or is it The Washington Post that ferreted out and published this code-word intelligence, and splashed the details on its front page, alerting the world, and ISIS, to what we knew.
    President Trump has the authority to declassify security secrets. And in sharing that intel with the Russians, who have had airliners taken down by bombs, he was trying to restore a relationship.
    On fighting Islamist terror, we and the Russians agree.
    Five years ago, Russia alerted us that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had become a violent radical Islamist. That was a year and a half before Tsarnaev carried out the Boston Marathon bombing.
    But upon what authority did The Washington Post reveal code-word intelligence secrets? Where in the Constitution or U.S. law did the Post get the right to reveal state secrets every U.S. citizen is duty bound to protect?
    The source of this top secret laptop-bomb leak that the Post published had to be someone in the intel community who was violating an oath that he had sworn to protect U.S. secrets, and committing a felony by leaking that secret.
    Those who leaked this to hurt Trump, and those who published this in the belief it would hurt Trump, sees themselves as the “Resistance” — like the French Resistance to Vichy in World War II.
    And they seemingly see themselves as above the laws that bind the rest of us.

    “Can Donald Trump Be Trusted With State Secrets?” asked the headline on the editorial in The New York Times.
    One wonders: Are these people oblivious to their own past?
    In 1971, The New York Times published a hoard of secret documents from the Kennedy-Johnson years on Vietnam. Editors spent months arranging them to convince the public it had been lied into a war that the Times itself had supported, but had turned against.
    Purpose of publication: Damage and discredit the war effort, now that Richard Nixon was commander in chief. This was tantamount to treason in wartime.
    When Nixon went to the Supreme Court to halt publication of the Pentagon Papers until we could review them to ensure that sources and methods were not being compromised, the White House was castigated for failing to understand the First Amendment.
    And for colluding with the thieves that stole them, and for publishing the secret documents, the Times won a Pulitzer.
    Forty years ago, the Post also won a Pulitzer — for Watergate.
    The indispensable source of its stories was FBI Deputy Director Mark Felt, who repeatedly violated his oath and broke the law by leaking the contents of confidential FBI interviews and grand jury testimony.
    Felt, “Deep Throat,” was a serial felon. He could have spent 10 years in a federal penitentiary had his identity been revealed. But to protect him from being prosecuted and sent to prison, and to protect themselves from the public knowing their scoops were handed to them by a corrupt FBI agent, the Post kept Felt’s identity secret for 30 years. Yet, their motto is “Democracy Dies in Darkness.”
    Which brings us to the point.
    The adversary press asserts in its actions a right to collude with and shelter disloyal and dishonorable officials who violate our laws by leaking secrets that they are sworn to protect.
    Why do these officials become criminals, and why do the mainstream media protect them?
    Because this seedy bargain is the best way to advance their common interests.
    The media get the stolen goods to damage Trump. Anti-Trump officials get their egos massaged, their agendas advanced and their identities protected.
    This is the corrupt bargain the Beltway press has on offer.
    For the media, bringing down Trump is also good for business. TV ratings of anti-Trump media are soaring. The “failing New York Times” has seen a surge in circulation. The Pulitzers are beckoning.
    And bringing down a president is exhilarating. As Ben Bradlee reportedly said during the Iran-Contra scandal that was wounding President Reagan, “We haven’t had this much fun since Watergate.”
    When Nixon was brought down, North Vietnam launched a spring offensive that overran the South, and led to concentration camps and mass executions of our allies, South Vietnamese boat people perishing by the thousands in the South China Sea, and a holocaust in Cambodia.
    When Trump gets home from his trip, he should direct Justice to establish an office inside the FBI to investigate all illegal leaks since his election and all security leaks that are de facto felonies, and name a special prosecutor to head up the investigation.
    Then he should order that prosecutor to determine if any Trump associates, picked up by normal security surveillance, were unmasked, and had their names and conversations spread through the intel community, on the orders of Susan Rice and Barack Obama, to seed the bureaucracy to sabotage the Trump presidency before it began.



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    Rand should call for this.
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    Ban Wikileaks! Arrest people like Assange and Bradley Manning for leaking government secrets! No leaks allowed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Ban Wikileaks! Arrest people like Assange and Bradley Manning for leaking government secrets! No leaks allowed!
    That sounds pretty evil dontcha think? Considering it was Assange that gave us the scoop on the email controversy.

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    Are leaks good or bad? Should the public be allowed to learn what the government is hiding from them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Ban Wikileaks! Arrest people like Assange and Bradley Manning for leaking government secrets! No leaks allowed!
    There is a difference between those and the deep state operatives who are trying to carry out a coup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is a difference between those and the deep state operatives who are trying to carry out a coup.
    K. What's the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    K. What's the difference?
    Dump did not do anything wrong.
    The media/deep state are are whipping up a witch hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Dump did not do anything wrong.
    The media/deep state are are whipping up a witch hunt.
    That's not a difference that's a talking point.

    There are those who say that Bush and Obama didn't do anything wrong, that all of the intelligence programs that were leaked by Snowden were legal and ethical, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That's not a difference that's a talking point.

    There are those who say that Bush and Obama didn't do anything wrong, that all of the intelligence programs that were leaked by Snowden were legal and ethical, etc.
    Only if you are a moral relativist.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only if you are a moral relativist.
    If you are a moral relativist, then you consider some leaks of government secrets good and other leaks of government secrets bad?
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If you are a moral relativist, then you consider some leaks of government secrets good and other leaks of government secrets bad?
    No as a moral absolutist I believe that leaks exposing evil are good, other leaks are bad.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    K. What's the difference?
    Is this a for real question? Does one really need to ask this question? Does anyone really need such remedial level of explaining the obvious? One need not be the sharpest tool in the shed to be able to see what is blatantly staring one in the face.

    Is there anyone one that truly cannot see the difference between releasing massive gigabytes of actual raw documentation disclosed in total to the entire world to expose deep state government corruption and crime, versus carefully selected rumors without documentation, specially picked in order to consolidate and enable deep state forces to circumvent electoral and constitutional restraints, dictate and control government policy, and sabotage diplomatic efforts that run contra to the MIC/surveillance state complex.

    Is this a total dump of massive amounts of actual government documents and files released in entirety to for instance Wikileaks, in the spirit of total transparency for the American people to expose corruption and crimes at the highest levels of government?

    Or is it instead very limited handpicked hearsay rumors (that is all they are no less), with no documents released at all, “leaked” to selected pro-deep state, pro-war pro-interventionists neocon “news” outlets to publish paraphrased renditions of the rumors in carefully framed propaganda spin. And leaked not for the purpose of total transparency for the American people and exposing government and deep state shenanigans, but rather to sabotage any progress towards diplomacy, peace, and trade with certain other nations, and instead enable deep state power coup to consolidate alphabet agency control over government policy and activities, thwarting the constitutional and electoral safeguards, and to promote interventionist schemes, warring, overseas military expansion and domestic total surveillance.

    These deep state selected rumors (that is all that is presented, not leaked government documents) are not transparency at all. They are just tiny carefully selected chosen rumors to sabotage diplomatic efforts, subvert presidential policy, and replace it with secretive agencies' desires to escalate tensions, and provoke conflict, and risking nothing as their identifies are protected by the intelligence community.

    The same CIA/NSA/surveillance state/MIC that wants to destroy Manning, Snowden, Assange and the rest of the whistle-blowers for actual full transparency leaks, is not offering transparency and truth by placing carefully chosen rumors for the ulterior purpose of commandeering foreign policy away from elected leaders and sabotaging diplomacy.

    The CIA/NSA controlled "leaks" are anything but transparency and full disclosure for the purpose of providing truth to the American people. To the contrary, these are specially placed selectively “leaked” rumors by rogue agencies trying to commandeer the US government for the purpose of eliminating dissent, manipulating and controlling US policy, establishing political control, and thwarting any contrary will of the American people.

    It is extremely dangerous precedent. These are deep state “color revolution” regime change style tactics implemented on our own government by rogue secretive unaccountable agencies to hijack the government policy and control foreign relations. It is a political power coup by rogue intelligence agencies, and it is far more sinister and dangerous than any single elected politician no matter how despised, be it Trump, Obama, Bush or the next president. It is an almost unfathomably dangerous, threatening, and treacherous precedent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If you are a moral relativist, then you consider some leaks of government secrets good and other leaks of government secrets bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Does one really need to ask this question?

    Only if he wants his paycheck.
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    "leaks" are the best part of the new administration. leaks are the best part of any administration.

    the government should have zero secrets. they supposedly work for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No as a moral absolutist I believe that leaks exposing evil are good, other leaks are bad.
    Leaks against my side- bad. Leaks against opponents- good.



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    Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
    No as a moral absolutist I believe that leaks exposing evil are good, other leaks are bad.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Leaks against my side- bad. Leaks against opponents- good.
    What an embarrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    "leaks" are the best part of the new administration. leaks are the best part of any administration.

    the government should have zero secrets. they supposedly work for me.
    Leaks are one thing, Lies are another.
    And Government does need some secrets.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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