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    Barnum and Bailey shutting down

    Thanks PETA....

    From Drudge;


    'Greatest Show on Earth' takes its final bow after 146 years


    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/greatest-s...182813775.html

    The clowns, animal acts and acrobats of the storied Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Circus are taking their final bow at an arena outside New York City on Sunday in the farewell performance of the "Greatest Show on Earth" after nearly 150 years.

    Capping a legacy that stretches back to the legendary 19th century showman P.T. Barnum, the circus bids adieu at a series of shows this weekend at newly refurbished Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale on New York's Long Island.

    The final show on Sunday evening was a sell-out and a worldwide audience can watch the event via a live stream on the Ringling website.

    The finale, announced by parent Feld Entertainment Inc in January, comes a year after the company bowed to pressure from animal rights activists and agreed to stop using elephants in its performances. A featured attraction for more than a century, the elephants had come to symbolize the Ringling Bros brand.

    Feld decided to fold up the tent as a result of high operating costs combined with lower ticket sales, it said in a statement at the time. After phasing out the elephants, the owner said, the decline in attendance was "greater than could have been anticipated."

    Although it retired its elephants, Ringling Bros continued to showcase tigers, lions, horses, dogs and camels until the end, despite fierce criticism from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).

    The animal rights group tied Ringling's demise to its long-standing resistance to demands that it stop using animals.

    "Circuses around the world that beat Ringling to the punch in making the decision to stop using animals are thriving. But Ringling stonewalled for decades," PETA said in a statement posted on its website on Saturday.

    The circus has long defended its treatment of animals as humane.

    "Our audiences today loved seeing horses, dogs and two very talented 700-pound pigs," Feld spokesman Stephen Payne said on Sunday.

    In December, Ringling Bros named Kristen Michelle Wilson as the first female ringmaster in its 146-year history. In making her the 39th person to play the role of circus host, Feld said it was taking a step toward modernizing the circus.

    The 13 Asian elephants used in Ringling's two touring companies were phased out and retired to the company's 200-acre (81 hectare) Center for Elephant Conservation in Polk City, Florida.

    Fewer than 40,000 Asian elephants remain in the wild. About 250 are in captivity in the United States, 26 of which were born in the past 20 years at Ringling facilities.



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    They can't compete with the three-ring circus sideshow that is America. Politics, Social Media and M$M. "Freak" shows with bearded womenz can hardly compete with the likes of Bruth Jenner.

    Sure could use a vacation............


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    You're a vault of information gold.

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    After phasing out the elephants, the owner said, the decline in attendance was "greater than could have been anticipated."
    Wow, how about that, people actually wanted to see the elephants perform...or maybe just wanted somebody to nut up and tell PETA to go fornicate themselves with an iron bar.

    And another little piece of Americana dies.

    Not my country anymore.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 05-21-2017 at 04:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    They can't compete with the three-ring circus sideshow that is America. Politics, Social Media and M$M. "Freak" shows with bearded womenz can hardly compete with the likes of Bruth Jenner.

    Sure could use a vacation............
    (from this) Bull$#@!, three ring circus, sideshow of freaks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Wow, how about that, people actually wanted to see the elephants perform.

    And another little piece of Americana dies.

    Not my country anymore.
    Beating elephants to train them to perform tricks is barbaric.

    Zoos, too. Bunch of weirdos catching and caging $#@! for spectacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    Not my country anymore.
    My elders would talk about how air travel was something new. Different. From gliders to propellers to jets. To moon men on the moon.

    It was something to think about how so much could transpire in ones lifetime. Until I hit 50.

    No country for old men.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Beating elephants to train them to perform tricks is barbaric.

    Zoos, too. Bunch of weirdos catching and caging $#@! for spectacle.
    *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    No country for old men.
    No place for us in our own land, in our own homes...and people wonder why "our" demographic is blowing their brains out or ODing at an alarming rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No place for us in our own land, in our own homes...and people wonder why "our" demographic is blowing their brains out or ODing at an alarming rate.
    Those are the weak ones. RIP. Would never consider it. Things just might get interesting before it is all over. Who'd want to miss that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    *sigh*
    I know my opinion might be the minority, at least with regards to zoos, but it all seems a little bit strange to me.

    You catch something to cage it and that's its existence. Seems pointlessly cruel but what do I know? I don't much see the point of fish in a tank or birds in a cage either.

    As far as the circus, they did not compete with other circuses and didn't adapt to demand. Did awareness about the treatment of elephants affect them? Sure. It is my opinion they would fail with or without that act though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Those are the weak ones. RIP. Would never consider it. Things just might get interesting before it is all over. Who'd want to miss that?
    No, neither would I, but you can sure see the reasoning...here's some middle aged schmuck been working all his life in some cube farm somewhere, beat down day after day in endless meetings of bull$#@! safety, diversity and sensitivity training, crossing "t"s and dotting "i"s...kids glued to video games and barely know him, wife cold, distant and crabbing.

    She decides to bail out and run off with a younger guy, or woman, no telling these days, he gets fired for not being able to be productive as his life falls apart, nobody gonna hire him at anywhere near the money he was making...lose the house, the cars, the family...so he decides to eat the gun barrel or the hot dose.

    Just another day in AmeriKa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    I know my opinion might be the minority, at least with regards to zoos, but it all seems a little bit strange to me.

    You catch something to cage it and that's its existence. Seems pointlessly cruel but what do I know? I don't much see the point of fish in a tank or birds in a cage either.

    As far as the circus, they did not compete with other circuses and didn't adapt to demand. Did awareness about the treatment of elephants affect them? Sure. It is my opinion they would fail with or without that act though.
    That's night and day from the statement you made here:

    Beating elephants to train them to perform tricks is barbaric.

    Zoos, too. Bunch of weirdos catching and caging $#@! for spectacle.
    That ^^^ reeked of "social justice" elitism and indicated you had a huge "stick up your ass" about the subject.

    Fact of the matter is that those animals are not your property, and the owners can do what they want with them.

    Don't like what they are doing?

    Don't attend.

    But don't pass off your opinion as a morally superior judgement from God and call people barbarians because they would like the chance to see a real live lion or baboon or shark.

    I consider myself lucky and blessed that I have had the chance to see all those and more in the wild, but I know that most people don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, neither would I, but you can sure see the reasoning...here's some middle aged schmuck been working all his life in some cube farm somewhere, beat down day after day in endless meetings of bull$#@! safety, diversity and sensitivity training, crossing "t"s and dotting "i"s...kids glued to video games and barely know him, wife cold, distant and crabbing.

    She decides to bail out and run off with a younger guy, or woman, no telling these days, he gets fired for not being able to be productive as his life falls apart, nobody gonna hire him at anywhere near the money he was making...lose the house, the cars, the family...so he decides to eat the gun barrel or the hot dose.

    Just another day in AmeriKa.
    Yup....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    I know my opinion might be the minority, at least with regards to zoos, but it all seems a little bit strange to me.

    You catch something to cage it and that's its existence. Seems pointlessly cruel but what do I know? I don't much see the point of fish in a tank or birds in a cage either.

    As far as the circus, they did not compete with other circuses and didn't adapt to demand. Did awareness about the treatment of elephants affect them? Sure. It is my opinion they would fail with or without that act though.
    How many millions were generated to preservation by offering an up close and personal attachment?



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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Beating elephants to train them to perform tricks is barbaric.

    Zoos, too. Bunch of weirdos catching and caging $#@! for spectacle.
    Pulled from the other thread....


    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    So not true... You cannot train an elephant by torture... They will kill you!! There was a performing elephant in Reno at one of the casinos for many years until she died and everyone (especially the trainer) loved that ol' gal. She would walk down the street each performance day from her living quarters to the back stage and people would line the streets to watch her.

    Trained elephants are no more "tortured" than your domesticated doggie you love so much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That's night and day from the statement you made here:



    That ^^^ reeked of "social justice" elitism and indicated you had a huge "stick up your ass" about the subject.

    Fact of the matter is that those animals are not your property, and the owners can do what they want with them.

    Don't like what they are doing?

    Don't attend.

    But don't pass off your opinion as a morally superior judgement from God and call people barbarians because they would like the chance to see a real live lion or baboon or shark.

    I consider myself lucky and blessed that I have had the chance to see all those and more in the wild, but I know that most people don't.
    Meh. They are barbarians.

    Same MIC boot lickers who are just oh so curious about science.

    Same brainwashed pill pushers who believe pills equal medicine and save all the world's ails.

    Humans are weird to keep creatures in captivity to awe at.

    You aren't God. Absent food, leave nature be and let it live and die on its own.

    Most people here wouldn't $#@! in the wild.
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    Last edited by kcchiefs6465; 05-21-2017 at 08:30 PM.
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    I prefer the circus on RPF. Plus, I don't have to pay here.
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    I can see validity in some of the opposing views here. Zoos and circuses are not either/or propositions. A lot of animals in zoos and preserves are injured or have other problems precluding their wilderness survival. That is not however, the case with others. I don't know the deal with all the birds, but it's always tough seeing them in a cage. They really need space. It's a mixed bag. A lot is not ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world anyway.

    All animals naturally like to be free and hate confinement. We had to put our dogs in a fairly tight area when we rented. They hated it. I'd finish work, open the fence, and they'd mad dash for the forest. We got a house and they were much happier with more room.

    You do the best with what you have.

    By the way, I go to zoos and we went to the circus last summer.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Wow, how about that, people actually wanted to see the elephants perform...or maybe just wanted somebody to nut up and tell PETA to go fornicate themselves with an iron bar.

    And another little piece of Americana dies.

    Not my country anymore.
    We saw Barnum and Bailey a couple months back and a couple years ago as well. It is true they do put on a hell of a show; every single minute, second, of every square inch of space was choreographed and scripted *perfectly*. Which was almost a problem for me as it was almost too sanitary and overproduced. It definitely didn't remind me of the circus when I was a kid or what one would expect from any older movies. With that said, it was pretty impressive.
    Last edited by specsaregood; 05-22-2017 at 08:53 AM.

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    I vote for freeing all the animals in the zoos and putting all the liberals in there for us to enjoy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    You aren't God. Absent food, leave nature be and let it live and die on its own.

    Most people here wouldn't $#@! in the wild.
    How is keeping animals for observation, either for knowledge or entertainment, more barbaric than slitting their throats or blowing their brains out for food?

    I may not be God, but who are you to tell people what they can with their property?

    And for the first 30 or so years of my life, I hewed out a living pretty close to the earth and nature. Fished, logged, farmed and hunted at different times to scratch together a paycheck or just to eat so I am aware nature is not all cuddly squirrels...nature's a bitch and will kill you dead, given the chance. Most people don't ever get close enough to it to realize that, and that has negative ramifications across the board, not the least of which are losses in self sufficiency and an unrealistic world view of man, nature and his role in it. (See: hikers mauled by bears, divers with a chunk taken out of them while swimming with sharks, or some snorkelist finger $#@!ing a morey eel and wondering why the next instance he got his hand bitten off.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Yup....
    That and Wall Street...two best movies he made.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    nature's a bitch and will kill you dead, given the chance. Most people don't ever get close enough to it to realize that
    this little girl knows that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    How is keeping animals for observation, either for knowledge or entertainment, more barbaric than slitting their throats or blowing their brains out for food?

    I may not be God, but who are you to tell people what they can with their property?
    Because one serves a purpose. That is, food. The other is for what?

    And I'm not telling people what they can or can't do with their property.

    I am simply offering an opinion that only a barbarian cages $#@! for the purposes of occasionally looking at it.

    I understand that that is an unpopular opinion. Regardless, I don't see it as being particularly outrageous of a thing to say.
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    I don't do zoos or circuses because of some similar reasons kc has mentioned here. Just the same, if someone wants to run one as a business and people want to support that business, well that's their prerogative, I reckon.

    I don't have to like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    Fact of the matter is that those animals are not your property, and the owners can do what they want with them.
    Honest question... does that mean that you think that any animal owner anywhere should be able to do whatever he wants to his animal without any responsibility whatsoever? Completely hypothetical, but if someone owned puppies for the sole purpose of torturing them so that they die a slow painful death… do you believe that is no one else's business, simply because in your view those animals are his "property"?
    “I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”

    ― Henry David Thoreau

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    A puppy is not a slave!

    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    Honest question... does that mean that you think that any animal owner anywhere should be able to do whatever he wants to his animal without any responsibility whatsoever? Completely hypothetical, but if someone owned puppies for the sole purpose of torturing them so that they die a slow painful death… do you believe that is no one else's business, simply because in your view those animals are his "property"?
    Sane humans treat animals with respect and practice good husbandry.

    But even insane humans are above animals...(Whether they should be is another debate)

    Government however has no place in animal husbandry, slick talkers and tax-ticks enforcing laws and edicts drafted by city-dwellers will come to no good end.

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