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Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
But, but, but, 'Responsibility to Protect! (R2P) and "Ghaddafi's army is taking viagra to mass-rape a village!" and "Those beautiful babies!" and "We can't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud!" and "They don't love their children!"
I mean if you, as an individual, decide to trespass or borrow a ladder to save a life - you have to be prepared to offer restitution for your actions.
But this does not extend to giving your trust to a politician who says some "bad guy" "needs to go" and therefore demands a popular mandate to go to war.
It doesn't even extend to Michele Obama violating the Consitution to make schoolchildren eat what she deems healthy.
Last edited by merkelstan; 05-18-2017 at 07:36 PM.
Last edited by otherone; 05-18-2017 at 07:37 PM.
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
Anyone with brain enough to understand and demand his natural rights.
In libertarian ethics, individual rights are derived from the Natural Law philosophy. There was a natural law tradition from antiquity and the middle ages. Natural law is the oldest and most frequently used concept of political theory.
We consider rights to be inherent to the individual - not generated by man-made law. This means that rights are different from legal privileges which are granted by the ruler and can be rescinded at his will. Natural Rights are either given by God (Aquinas, 1225-1274) or inherent in man's nature (Hugo Grotius, 1583–1645). Many consider the idea of Natural Law to spring from the ancient Greeks: Aristotle (BC 384-322)... argues that aside from particular laws that each people has set up for itself, there is a common law or higher law that is according to nature (Rhetoric 1373b2-8).
The most influential NL philosopher is probably John Locke (1632-1704) whose ideas were the basis for England's Habeus Corpus Act and strongly influenced the Founders who wrote the US Bill of Rights.
Wikipedia has a pretty good summary of the topic. If you don't want to read much, at least read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philos...f_human_rights
Then to learn the origins of the constitutional and libertarian position, it's probably most important to get to know Locke: https://fee.org/articles/john-locke-...-and-property/
Then to learn the modern libertarian position, you'll need to read Rothbard's book, The Ethics of Liberty:
http://anarcho-capitalist.org/wp-content/pdfs/Rothbard%20%28Murray%29%20-%20The%....
As far as I understand it, Rothbard is basically the last word on libertarian rights theory, although AFAIK Hoppe did add one significant idea - that of the proof of self-ownership by Argumentation Ethics: https://mises.org/library/argumentat...self-ownership
In a better world, this would be taught in schools. I do hope that this helps get you started on the subject.
Last edited by merkelstan; 05-18-2017 at 07:43 PM.
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
Yes.
Neither the lightning that may strike him, nor the poisonous asp, nor the lion who eats him can violate his rights: they are not conscious actors.
[EDIT] And one goal of some states seems to be to reduce or inhibit consciousness in its citizens, particularly the soldiers.
Last edited by merkelstan; 05-18-2017 at 07:57 PM.
Obviously, I just said that should be the goal.
And it's not rocket science. The traditional English system of law works pretty well. The main problem today is not people being convicted for things they didn't do, but people being convicted for things they did do which shouldn't be crimes in the first place.
Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 05-18-2017 at 08:06 PM.
This is the foundation of negative rights. To advocate a system that believes it's government's role to keep you safe is advocating for positive rights, the flaw of the OP. Natural Law says a man can defend himself from another man, just as against a lion. No government is necessary to justify his actions.
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
Slow down, Rev.
My point is that rights only exist in context of government, which you've agreed to. Government is the arbiter.
The individual, acting out of self-preservation, will make mistakes. Your argument that the state, acting out of self-preservation has the same right. It does not. I have a right to defend myself. The state has no rights. Unless the state is sovereign, like a king.
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
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