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    5000 troops slated for new Afghan surge

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    May 8, 2017
    Trump sinking America deeper into Afghan quagmire
    By Ed Straker
    President Trump is planning to send up to 5,000 additional American soldiers into Afghanistan to complement the 10,000 already there. Let's look at some numbers first:

    1) $117 billion. That's the amount of money we've spent on "development" projects in Afghanistan, much of which has been siphoned off for waste and corruption.

    2) $50 billion. That's how much money has been spent on military operations in Afghanistan alone in the past year.

    3) A trillion dollars. That's estimated to be the total cost of the war so far.

    4) 2,400. That's the number of Americans killed in Afghanistan in combat. Many times more were wounded.

    5) 50%. That's the portion of the country the Taliban control, after all of our efforts above.

    And what have we gotten for all this effort? After spending billions on rebuilding Afghanistan, the locals hate us. They despise our culture and our freedoms. The government steals as much of our aid money as it can.

    After 16 years, the army still cannot defend itself. The leaders of the army are corrupt and siphon off military aid; the soldiers run away and hide.

    The Taliban control nearly half the country. How have they managed to do that with spending less than 1% of what we have on the conflict? The answer is simple: the Afghan people love the Taliban. They love radical Islamic fundamentalism. They love tribalism. That's why they fight for the Taliban and why they won't fight for our vision of a liberal, pluralistic, unified Afghanistan.

    Read from this insider who has been to Afghanistan and seen firsthand:

    [A] team of soldiers and I were buttoned up inside the massive armored gun-trucks, juddering down rutted tracks as Pashtun men beside the road scowled and glared at us. The Afghans clearly weren't valuing the American efforts. The navigator suddenly pointed – "IEDs."… The tribesmen, yet un-subdued, were just waiting for their time.

    The insurgents now control about half of the country. Taliban shadow governments operate in virtually every province, and control several of them[.] ...

    Contorted by the enormous illegal opium industry, the Afghan government ranks among the world's most corrupt; 9th on the Fragile States Index that assesses states' vulnerability to conflict or collapse. The World Justice Project's 2016 Rule of Law Index ranked Afghanistan 111 out of 113 countries assessed. The poorly commanded and deeply infiltrated Afghan security forces are losing the war.

    And yet the Trump administration wants to send a few thousand more troops in. It's a failed effort, and from past history, it is clear it will make no difference. All that will happen is that more American money will be spent, and more Americans will die.

    A better alternative: pull out. Let the Taliban take over the country.

    Read More:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._quagmire.html
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn



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    Hopefully, this will prevent a military boondoggle and end the war on terror.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Hopefully, this will prevent a military boondoggle and end the war on terror.
    Maybe if they are only there for like 15 minutes. They have to fight them there, so they don't have to fight them here. What's 5000 more troops if we save western civilization?

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    War is a big money hole... it's sucking the life outta this country. After 16 years you'd think there would be some protest.


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    This is exactly how you stay out of a boondoggle. Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
    A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    That's a very short-sighted comment.. there is a lot more going on here if you are paying attention.



    President McMaster? — McMaster to Meet with Trump to Discuss Who is Running the White House

    President Trump and his NSA H.R. McMaster have an important meeting scheduled for tomorrow morning. During this meeting they will discuss an important question — Who is President?

    #NeverTrump and pro-Iraq war pundit David Frum wishes it were McMaster, whose conduct suggests he agrees with Frum.




    Bill Kristol, one of the architects of the Iraq War, also praised McMaster repeatedly.
    Trump has becoming increasingly frustrated with “President McMaster.”

    McMaster breached chain-of-command protocol by unilaterally appointing Ricky Waddell has his deputy. Before that he attempted to hire a proven fraud, Linda Weissgold (yes, the Benghazi liar), to work at NSC.
    In her position at OTA, she was also involved directly in drafting the now infamous Benghazi talking points, which government officials revised heavily to include factually incorrect assessments that stated the attackers were prompted by protests. According to the House Select Committee on Benghazi’s report, Weissgold testified she had changed one such talking point to say that extremists in Benghazi with ties to al Qaeda had been involved in “protests” in the Libyan city, despite the fact that no such protests had occurred there on the day of the attack.
    McMaster also overruled Trump on North Korea, leaked fake anti-Bannon articles to the media, and pushed for a ground war in Syria and massive new surge in Afghanistan.


    McMaster will likely “fall up” to four-star general.

    Trump is not interested more stories about personnel issues, and thus the Pentagon is looking for four-star general positions. The current Vice Chief of Staff of the Army’s tenure is winding to a close, and McMaster is being considered for that role.



    National Security Advisor McMaster May Accept Role as Army Vice Chief of Staff, Receive Promotion…
    Current NSA H.R. McMaster is under consideration for a promotion to full General, multiple sources with knowledge of…medium.com

    Other sources suggest McMaster may replace General John W. Nicholson Jr., the top commander in Afghanistan.
    McMaster, for his part, has not enjoyed his role as NSA.

    McMaster is an armor officer at heart, and finds the work of the NSA tedious and unrewarding.


    He has currently presented five plans to intervene in various parts of the world, including most recently in Venezuela — a plan favored by Dina Habib Powell and Niki Haley.

    https://medium.com/@Cernovich/presid...e-f702acaa5be3
    Last edited by dannno; 05-08-2017 at 01:49 PM.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    War is a big money hole... it's sucking the life outta this country. After 16 years you'd think there would be some protest.
    Give 'em time. It's hard to go to sleep for 8 years and not wake up being a little groggy. Right now, the pathetic protests are all about wanting free stuff and violation of "feelings". Soon, though, they'll care about killing again. (Until another "D" gets elected)
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Man, this 4D chess is confusing. This looks an aweful lot like the kind of shameless warmongering that Bush and Obama engaged in, but that can't be right, can it? Guess I'll just have to wait for someone to Trumpsplain it for me.
    Chris

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    The 5000 person surge must be to help the forces already with packing up and then going home, no?

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    Bout time for a new splurge.
    Got to throw some money around for the good 'ol MIC.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    What the hell, man???? And people are making excuses for this??
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    What the hell, man???? And people are making excuses for this??
    Let's see you fight better against the deep state
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Let's see you fight better against the deep state
    The fat lady at the circus fights better against the deep state every day, sitting on her ass and eating 4 gallons of ice cream.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    The fat lady at the circus fights better against the deep state every day, sitting on her ass and eating 4 gallons of ice cream.
    Lol, so you think we would be better off with McMaster as President

    You think Gorsuch would have been nominated? You think we would be rolling back regulations at a rate of 2:1?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Let's see you fight better against the deep state
    So Trumps plan is to nominate the deep state and then fire them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, so you think we would be better off with McMaster as President
    No I think we'd be better off if Trump didn't send another 5k of our boys and girls into the meat grinder....

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You think Gorsuch would have been nominated?
    Trump could have appointed Gorsuch without sending another 5,000 troops to be killed by the Afghans.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You think we would be rolling back regulations at a rate of 2:1?
    Most impressive of you and Trump. Tell him to pick up the pace, it should be about 100,000 to one.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, so you think we would be better off with McMaster as President

    You think Gorsuch would have been nominated? You think we would be rolling back regulations at a rate of 2:1?
    It's just sad reading your posts thread after thread. Your argument is no different than this:

    So you think we would have been better off with McCain or Romney as president? We would still have the travel ban on Cuba and wouldn't have the Iran deal. We'd still have over 100,000 troops in Iraq. Obama is incredible, believe me. He's doing the best he can against the deep state, let's see you do better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    It's just sad reading your posts thread after thread. Your argument is no different than this:

    So you think we would have been better off with McCain or Romney as president? We would still have the travel ban on Cuba and wouldn't have the Iran deal. We'd still have over 100,000 troops in Iraq. Obama is incredible, believe me. He's doing the best he can against the deep state, let's see you do better
    Pretty much.

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    Sad to hear .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    It's just sad reading your posts thread after thread. Your argument is no different than this:

    So you think we would have been better off with McCain or Romney as president? We would still have the travel ban on Cuba and wouldn't have the Iran deal. We'd still have over 100,000 troops in Iraq. Obama is incredible, believe me. He's doing the best he can against the deep state, let's see you do better
    I've already addressed this numerous times. McCain and Romney were deep state stooges. They wouldn't have nominated a Constitutional Conservative Judge, they would have led us into more boondoggle wars and greatly expanded government. Just like Obama was a deep state stooge, he was supposed to get us out of wars and ended up getting us into even more boondoggles.

    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I've already addressed this numerous times. McCain and Romney were deep state stooges. They wouldn't have nominated a Constitutional Conservative Judge, they would have led us into more boondoggle wars and greatly expanded government. Just like Obama was a deep state stooge, he was supposed to get us out of wars and ended up getting us into even more boondoggles.

    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Hell, why be so restrictive? You should at least give him until his second nomination when he has nothing to lose and can really shake things up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That's a very short-sighted comment.. there is a lot more going on here if you are paying attention.
    So either Trump is too stupid to understand how bad war is, too greedy to give a damn, too powerhungry to end the war, or too weak to stop those who would. Coward, weak, or evil, none of those qualities befit someone in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    So either Trump is too stupid to understand how bad war is, too greedy to give a damn, too powerhungry to end the war, or too weak to stop those who would. Coward, weak, or evil, none of those qualities befit someone in power.
    Quit paying attention.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Let's see you fight better against the deep state
    Actually overthrowing Deep State influence is simple. You merely have to nominate someone who cares more about the country than their press. The Deep State relies on the illusion of legitimacy granted by civilian authorities elected to office. If that legitimacy is revoked then the Deep State would lose all its power a sit is revealed for what it is. Trouble is no elected official is willing to take that risk and lose office. Certainly not a narcissist like Trump. Last person to run that would have done what it takes? Ron Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Hell, why be so restrictive? You should at least give him until his second nomination when he has nothing to lose and can really shake things up!
    He has already shaken things up quite a bit actually, that's why the mainstream media attacks him so much.

    As far as military, if he wants to get re-elected he is a Republican.. so he can't just bring the troops home on day 1 because for one that isn't what he ran on. He has to go fight hard, and then come back with a report to the people that sounds convincing based on what he learned. Reagan said it best, Middle Eastern politics are irrational. Trump just needs to come back with something convincing and he will be able to pull out, but he can't do that in the first 6 months. Again, this isn't libertarian fantasyland, this is the real world. We have an enemy, it's called the deep state, and they are very powerful. Not sure if you are aware of that.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He has already shaken things up quite a bit actually, that's why the mainstream media attacks him so much.

    As far as military, if he wants to get re-elected he is a Republican.. so he can't just bring the troops home on day 1 because for one that isn't what he ran on. He has to go fight hard, and then come back with a report to the people that sounds convincing based on what he learned. Reagan said it best, Middle Eastern politics are irrational. Trump just needs to come back with something convincing and he will be able to pull out, but he can't do that in the first 6 months. Again, this isn't libertarian fantasyland, this is the real world. We have real enemies.
    Of course he wants to get re-elected. Then he can get $400k speaking gigs. Who cares if another son, daughter, father, mother is committed to the earth.
    Last edited by phill4paul; 05-08-2017 at 05:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Actually overthrowing Deep State influence is simple. You merely have to nominate someone who cares more about the country than their press. The Deep State relies on the illusion of legitimacy granted by civilian authorities elected to office. If that legitimacy is revoked then the Deep State would lose all its power a sit is revealed for what it is. Trouble is no elected official is willing to take that risk and lose office. Certainly not a narcissist like Trump.
    Uh, you just outlined a major portion of Trump's strategy that he is currently carrying out and has been for almost two years.. It's amazing you can come up with a brilliant strategy, yet not recognize that is precisely what is happening.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    So either Trump is too stupid to understand how bad war is, too greedy to give a damn, too powerhungry to end the war, or too weak to stop those who would. Coward, weak, or evil, none of those qualities befit someone in power.
    Oh, it's worse than that. He's realized if he bombs the $#@! out of another country, all those meanies in the TV will suddenly say nice things about him.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Of course he wants to get re-elected. Then he can get $400k speaking gigs.
    lol, Trump has plenty of money, he doesn't need more money. He only cares about the country.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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