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    Default Venezuela Is Starving

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezue...ing-1493995317

    Once Latin America’s richest country, Venezuela can no longer feed its people, hobbled by the nationalization of farms as well as price and currency controls

    Hordes of people, many with children in tow, rummage through garbage, an uncommon sight a year ago. People in the countryside pick farms clean at night, stealing everything from fruits hanging on trees to pumpkins on the ground, adding to the misery of farmers hurt by shortages of seed and fertilizer. Looters target food stores. Families padlock their refrigerators.

    Three in four Venezuelans said they had lost weight last year, an average of 19 pounds, according to the National Poll of Living Conditions, an annual study by social scientists. People here, in a mix of rage and humor, call it the Maduro diet after President Nicolás Maduro.
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    One headline - "Wanna Lose Weight? Move To Venezuela."

    This article is great - https://fee.org/articles/venezuelas-...ing-headlines/

    Venezuela's Socialist Hellscape, Captured in 28 Horrifying Headlines

    Daniel J. Mitchell
    Daniel J. Mitchell

    Monday, May 01, 2017


    Iwrote last year that Venezuela was entering the “fourth circle of statist hell.”

    How else, after all, can you describe a government that is so venal and incompetent that it resorts to confiscating toys in an effort to strengthen its hold on power?

    I also wrote last year that Atlas was “shrugging” in Venezuela.

    But shrugging may soon turn to shrugged. It’s hard to see how Maduro’s despotic regime can hold power much longer. Consider this collection of horrifying stories.

    More at link
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    We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds — in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country, a country that cannot, without betraying ingratitude, abandon us today to so unequal a combat.

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Sadly, the politicians of that state didn't think more about having more than just one industry for profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parasiticmoocherguy View Post
    Sadly, the politicians of that state didn't think more about having more than just one industry for profit.
    Why should they? Profit is for greedy narcissists, after all.

    According to you, the needs of parasitic moochers reign supreme.

    Venezuela embodies the ideal for which you yearn. Own it or STFU.

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    Aren't the sick piling into Brazil for healthcare?
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    You are stupid. All you think is somehow one commodity, that being the life blood of modern society is social democracy or socialist policies. Socialist policies are about taking the nastiness out of business, that goes unfettered in certain circles in capitalist society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Why should they? Profit is for greedy narcissists, after all.

    According to you, the needs of parasitic moochers reign supreme.

    Venezuela embodies the ideal for which you yearn. Own it or STFU.

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy Parasiticmoocherguy again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Socialist policies are about taking the nastiness out of business, that goes unfettered in certain circles in capitalist society.


    capitalists being denastified
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

    - Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

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    Are some people here just being fools. Seriously, how childish can be people be from the liberty side. I mean the Gary Johnson conference with other Liberty nuts was just to laugh at.

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    I am having a hard time picturing " liberty nuts " with Johnson . Probably , mostly anti war , peaceful stoners .
    Yes , Danke was my sidekick .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Are some people here just being fools[?]
    Yes, those defending the Maduro regime.
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

    - Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parasiticmoocherguy View Post
    You are stupid. All you think is somehow one commodity, that being the life blood of modern society is social democracy or socialist policies. Socialist policies are about taking the nastiness out of business, that goes unfettered in certain circles in capitalist society.
    Go tell it to all the Venezuelans who can't even get toilet paper to wipe their asses with.

    Then come back and yap at us about "one commodity" and the "nastiness" of capitalism ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Are some people here just being fools. Seriously, how childish can be people be from the liberty side. I mean the Gary Johnson conference with other Liberty nuts was just to laugh at.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    Venezuela was run by a dictator who rallied the poor. He had a bad way of governing, and solely used crude oil to make money to pay for the social programs. It was short sighted. Don't be stupid, one country out there doesn't represent social democracy.

    Chavez came from poverty, both his parents were poor. He was ignorant about diversity in the state.

    As for the Libetarian conference, you couldn't defend it. It was ridiculous full of stupid people, who couldn't take people's lives seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Venezuela was run by a dictator who rallied the poor. He had a bad way of governing, and solely used crude oil to make money to pay for the social programs. It was short sighted. Don't be stupid, one country out there doesn't represent social democracy.

    Chavez came from poverty, both his parents were poor. He was ignorant about diversity in the state.
    The problem isn't that the economy the Venezuelan state attempts to centrally plan relies largely on oil.

    The problem is that the Venezuelan state attempts to centrally plan the economy at all.

    The result would have been the same had the Venezuelan economy been highly diversified.
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

    - Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

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    Hm, total pop (2015) 31.1 million, cost to feed a refugee $19/month = $7.09 billion to feed all Venezuelans per year.

    Daughter of Hugo Chavez net worth, $4.2 billion, according to Diaro las Americas.
    Alejandro Andrade - Venezuela's ex treasury minister - $11.2 billion.
    The rest of the socialist leadership worth ??? billion?
    GDP in 2017: 404.1 Billion (Wikipedia)
    Exports: $28.07 billion. (Wikipedia)


    CAN'T FEED ITS OWN PEOPLE




    "I have a strong temperamental attachment to the meaning of words. In the age I find myself in, that condemns me to a daily dose of pain." - John Derbyshire
    "Give me control of the scientists' money supply and I care not who fakes the results."
    "I can find millions of 'social problems' such as: 'Too many red-headed people have hangnails'." - Murray Rothbard

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rike-next-week


    Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, defying a threat of U.S. sanctions and calls by his opponents for two days of general strikes this week, vowed to press on with a vote to elect a new national assembly and rewrite the constitution.

    “Who doesn’t go vote next Sunday is hurting the Republic of Venezuela, is hurting the right for peace, because what we are deciding here next week is between peace or war, violence or the constituent assembly,” according to a statement issued Sunday.

    Maduro reinforced his determination to hold the July 30 vote after Venezuela’s opposition party called for a 48-hour general strike in Caracas Wednesday and Thursday.
    - SUPPORT FREE TRADE, SMUGGLE -

    2 + 2 = 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post


    capitalists being denastified
    Context, that is what that pic lack. I am not going to say anything more until I know the full context of whats going on. For all we know, those guys could have been caught raping little babies, tried in a court of law and then executed

    But if that is a capitalists being denastified supposedly by evil evil socialists, then what is the video below showing? capitalists killing field? but wait, I know what you are going to say. But that is not true capitalism and you be right and the socialists would also say nazis are not true socialists and where does that get anyone?

    Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling…makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post


    Bernie Sanders' America
    Yup. Why is it that the same people who can easily see how destructive socialism is in Venezuela, can't see it how destructive it is in the US?

    "Our top story tonight here on CNN, Venezuela's citizens are starving" "Later, we discuss why the US minimum wage needs to be raised"

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Context, that is what that pic lack. I am not going to say anything more until I know the full context of whats going on. For all we know, those guys could have been caught raping little babies, tried in a court of law and then executed

    But if that is a capitalists being denastified supposedly by evil evil socialists, then what is the video below showing? capitalists killing field? but wait, I know what you are going to say. But that is not true capitalism and you be right and the socialists would also say nazis are not true socialists and where does that get anyone?

    Over 100 million people were killed by their governments in the name of Communism. Iraq is nothing. Iraq is a rounding error compared to Communism. Just the example of Stalin in Ukraine ends the moral equivalency pretty quickly. That Wikileaks video shows nothing other than war is horrible and should be avoided.

    Not sure why are you sarcastically using the phrase evil socialists. All socialists are evil. Capitalism is moral. Capitalism sustains life. Socialism not only kills, it takes away person's humanity and dignity.

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    Too bad they didnt have a bunch of oil reserves... oh wait... Socialism must be the key ingredient in this epic fail.
    Don't drone me, bro!

    Ron Paul
    R[∃vo˩]ution 2017


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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    But if that is a capitalists being denastified supposedly by evil evil socialists, then what is the video below showing? capitalists killing field? but wait, I know what you are going to say. But that is not true capitalism and you be right and the socialists would also say nazis are not true socialists and where does that get anyone?
    The difference is that the closer you get to pure capitalism, the better. The closer you get to pure socialism the worse. By DEFINITION. Capitalism is where the right of the individual is supreme over the state. Socialism is where the needs of the state are supreme over the individual's rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Context, that is what that pic lack. I am not going to say anything more until I know the full context of whats going on. For all we know, those guys could have been caught raping little babies, tried in a court of law and then executed

    But if that is a capitalists being denastified supposedly by evil evil socialists, then what is the video below showing? capitalists killing field? but wait, I know what you are going to say. But that is not true capitalism and you be right and the socialists would also say nazis are not true socialists and where does that get anyone?

    I'm not sure what you're arguing...

    My point was simply that Venezuela's problems are a result of its government's socialistic policies, not "capitalist saboteurs" or some such nonsense; and that Republicanguy's euphemistic "taking the nastiness out of capitalism" actually means theft and violence, such as is being perpetrated in that photo.
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

    - Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

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    Venezuela is overrated. How can they have huge and open mass protests and still hold up as a nation. That means the opposition support isn't what they make it out to be. Must be fake news or alternative facts.






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