Should we accept them all or only some, or perhaps none at all? What do you feel about it and why?
none at all. we have enough problems to deal with at home. lets get on the right track first
The only legitimate function of govenrment is to protect property rights.
Restricting immigration for that purpose (e.g. screening for criminals) is acceptable, *if* the benefits outweigh the costs.
Restricting immigration for any other purpose (e.g. muh jerbs, muh cultures) is never acceptable.
So, here and now, that means screening of Muslim immigrants for ties to terrorism, if it can be done cost effectively, is fine.
Otherwise, free immigration.
What kind of libertarian are you?Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0
What kind of libertarian am I if I agree with the founding fathers and the constitution?
The kind that's in favor of property rights (i.e. the only kind).
What are you talking about?What kind of libertarian am I if I agree with the founding fathers and the constitution?
The libertarian position is that the government should spend zero dollars helping refugees, and should also do nothing to stop them from coming here with whatever aid they might receive from voluntary means.
You sound like a bit of an anarchist.
How do you classify my political beliefs? As anarchist, libertarian, conservative etc.?What are you talking about?
That might be your position, but there is nothing libertarian about it.
That's good.
Wouldn't you consider that to be liberal?and should also do nothing to stop them from coming here
How so?
I sound like an anarchist because I said that the only legitimate function of government is to protect property rights?
I don't really know what your political beliefs are.How do you classify my political beliefs? As anarchist, libertarian, conservative etc.?
Since you're at RPF, I'd assume you're generally a small government type.
Based on this thread, I'd assume you make nationalistic exceptions to your otherwise small government worldview.
Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 05-04-2017 at 08:36 PM.
The unemployment rate in Sweden among refugees is over 50% even among refugees who have been in the country for 10 years. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ob-in-a-decade
The unemployment rate of Syrian refugees in Canada is 50% after a year in the country. http://globalnews.ca/news/3119278/ha...ater-liberals/
It costs taxpayers $65k per refugee to resettle them in the United States. http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Resettli...stern-Refugees
91% of the refugees from the Middle East the United States has recently taken in receive food stamps. http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/26...iel-greenfield
Refugees are a separate class of immigrant because they are not coming to the United States to work and assimilate.
One of the problems with unlimited immigration is that when a people group like Muslims moves into an area they wqnt to shape law and justice to suit their own belief system. Sharia law is directly opposed to the concepts of personal liberty and equal rights.
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So the belief system of ~99% of native born Americans.
Seriously? There was no codified law in 1620 or whatever year you want to pick.
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Libertarianism does not allow for restricting people's travel across national borders.
If you mean in the classical sense of the word liberal, which means the same as libertarian, then yes.
If you mean in the modern American sense where marxism is called liberal, then no, it's the opposite. Restricting immigration is the marxist position.
Pretty sure the answer is NOT bring them here and put them on welfare.
Ten refugees can be taken care of in the middle east for the same cost as taking care of one here or in Europe.
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Sure. They will be much better off there.
The libertarian position would be to quit making refugees.
how about the other middle eastern countries?Sure. They will be much better off there.
That is the Syrian Refugee camp in Jordan.
Is it going to cost federal tax dollars that are instant debt and interest is pd on ? Then , NO . Are you or someone else going to "sponsor " them and pay for it until they become self sufficient ? Then , I really do not care . Myself , I wish to pay for none .
Do something Danke
In Europe they don't work, they just complain about what version of Ipad the government gives them.
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"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Gulf countries including Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.
Other high income countries including Russia, Japan, Singapore and South Korea have also offered zero resettlement places.
Germany has pledged 35,000 places for Syrian refugees through its humanitarian admission programme and individual sponsorship; about 75 % of the EU total.
Germany and Sweden together have received 47% Syrian asylum applications in the EU between April 2011 and July 2015.
Excluding Germany and Sweden, the remaining 26 EU countries have pledged around 8,700 resettlement places, or around 0.2% of Syrian refugees in the main host countries.
Hmm. I looked through those pics and didn't see a single one of my family, friends, or neighbors...Sure. They will be much better off there.
*scratches head*
Not my problem?
None, until every public mechanism that subsidizes their CoL is abolished. So in other words, NEVER. Apply this rule to white refugees as well.
Last edited by AuH20; 05-06-2017 at 07:44 AM.
I probably shouldn't respond 'cause I don't identify as libertarian....................But...
Why should I give even a small part of a $#@! how well off some person on the other side of the globe is when my own neighbors are struggling?
My position is that I'm better off helping those in my immediate vicinity and doing my damnedest to not fund wars or welfare...
Show us how compassionate you are, Zip and let them sleep on your couch.
Sure. They will be much better off there.
...
Exactly! Stop tearing up their country and making them homeless.
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