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    Question Did Amash just vote for Obamcare lite?

    Why did Amash just vote for Obamacare lite?



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    I hope he voted for it, because the bill is better than what we have now, and incremental change is certainly better than keeping Obamacare in its current form. It was the moderate/liberal Republicans who voted against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Rumors on Facebook that Amash just voted for Obamacare lite.

    Can anyone confirm or deny this?
    Appears so

    Can't find the full vote tally, but this article mentions that only one member of the Freedom Caucus (not Amash) voted against it.

    Massie and Walter Jones also voted against it.

    Rand's just commented critically on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    I hope he voted for it, because the bill is better than what we have now, and incremental change is certainly better than keeping Obamacare in its current form. It was the moderate/liberal Republicans who voted against it.
    Wrong!


    Real conservaitve / constitutionalist / libertarians voted against it... (Massie)
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    We will see what the Senate and Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and others have to say about this mess. Hopefully Rand Paul's bill is the one that has most traction and they squish his and the house bill together...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Wrong!


    Real conservaitve / constitutionalist / libertarians voted against it... (Massie)
    A "no" vote was a vote to keep Obamacare in its current form forever. I agree with Amash over Massie on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Hopefully Rand Paul's bill is the one that has most traction and they squish his and the house bill together...
    Rand's bill has zero chance of passing Congress. Why can no one ever be realistic about anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    A "no" vote was a vote to keep Obamacare in its current form forever.
    Incorrect once again. This was a vote for RepublicanCare as opposed to Obamacare. This is going back on promises and not repealing it and keeping most of it. Not to mention violating the Constitution
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    A "no" vote was a vote to keep Obamacare in its current form forever. I agree with Amash over Massie on this one.
    Another lesser of two evils choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    A "no" vote was a vote to keep Obamacare in its current form forever. I agree with Amash over Massie on this one.
    There's differing views on that. A no vote would keep the blame of the failure of Obamacare on the democrats. And seeing as this is NOT a full repeal but more of a tinker with the current system, I think a no vote is fully justified as keeping a campaign promise, on the other hand, this is the best bill that they could get out of the House, so now it's up to the Senate where I think more free market concessions will be gained.

    Ron Paul would have voted NO, that's for sure.
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    Amash was one of the last ones to vote on it. Maybe he wanted to pass it so he could see what's in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Incorrect once again. This was a vote for RepublicanCare as opposed to Obamacare. This is going back on promises and not repealing it and keeping most of it. Not to mention violating the Constitution
    Blame the socialist RINOs who lied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Amash was one of the last ones to vote on it. Maybe he wanted to pass it so he could see what's in it.
    That disturbs me more than the vote itself...

    ...suggests he was willing to vote Nay only if it was going to pass anyway.

    I hope I'm dead wrong about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    A "no" vote was a vote to keep Obamacare in its current form forever. I agree with Amash over Massie on this one.
    Suppose that in a few years time Trumpcare is collapsing and even more unpopular than Obmacare.

    If all Republicans had voted for it, who would have the 'mandate' to make the next 'reform'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    A "no" vote was a vote to keep Obamacare in its current form forever. I agree with Amash over Massie on this one.
    Bull$#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Another lesser of two evils choice.
    That's what the choice usually is if you're a politician. But logically it certainly makes sense to support legislation that at least reduces the damage that was caused by previous legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Bull$#@!.
    It's not. Full repeal has zero chance of passing Congress.

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    A lot of pissed off people blowing up his facebook page right now
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    Oh well. The pragmatic and draconian solutions that would actually work by enabling competition will never be considered.

    - Full repeal of Obamacare.
    - Allow full competition across state and international lines for insurance.
    - Remove barriers to competition for actual health care providers, especially cash only providers.
    - Break the employer/health insurance market distortion. Employers will no longer be able to provide health insurance. Everyone pays for their own, or NONE if they choose.
    - Remove barriers to generic and international drugs.
    - Pre-tax health savings accounts (HSA) for direct payment of actual healthcare or drugs. No payments from HSA for insurance or pre-paid medical plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    It's not. Full repeal has zero chance of passing Congress.
    It is bull$#@!. Because Trump and the RINO's said the last vote was the only chance or else keep Obamacare. The fact that this came up for a vote today shows that's bull$#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    A lot of pissed off people blowing up his facebook page right now
    The vast majority of them are liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    It is bull$#@!. Because Trump and the RINO's said the last vote was the only chance or else keep Obamacare. The fact that this came up for a vote today shows that's bull$#@!.
    Well, partial repeal of some sort is all that can pass. The moderate/liberal Republicans only voted for full repeal when Obama was President because it didn't actually mean anything.

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    Get the Gooberment out of it altogether.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You guys are not looking at the big picture, Amash is just playing 4d chess in order to get rid of Paul Ryan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You guys are not looking at the big picture, Amash is just playing 4d chess in order to get rid of Paul Ryan.
    I see what you did there
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    I don't get it.

    Congress voted to abolish Obamacare, back when Obama was president and he vetoed it. What has happened that they can't send the same bill to Trump?

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    It has something to do with the Upton amendment. All the MI reps voted yes.
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    This is a colossal fail for Amash. Even if it is incrementally better, there's no way he or his staff had time to read the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    This is a colossal fail for Amash. Even if it is incrementally better, there's no way he or his staff had time to read the whole thing.
    I'm 99.99% certain he's not gone over to the 'dark side,' but he definitely $#@!ed up, judgment fail.
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