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Thread: Mises on World Government

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    The ideas of a 'nation' and that of a 'state' are distinct. Germany as a nation - a people loosely united by language, ethnicity and culture - existed for centuries before Bismarck created the state called Germany. Likewise with the Kurds - they are a nation but do not have a state today.
    Indeed

    Politicians and states and, uh, 'deep-states' wage aggressive wars. They historically have appealed to national identity to justify aggression by claiming that 'the nation is being threatened'..
    Indeed

    This is being largely discarded now - see Libya - where a perfunctory "him bad, must smash" was all they flushed out to the public for a few days before commencing hostilities.
    I'd agree that nationalist sentiment is in some respects weaker than it once was. In any event, this isn't the aggression I was taking about. I was talking about the aggression inherent in restricting the free movement of goods/people across borders, or any other state actions which nationalists advocate to "preserve muh culture" and so forth.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'd agree that nationalist sentiment is in some respects weaker than it once was. In any event, this isn't the aggression I was taking about. I was talking about the aggression inherent in restricting the free movement of goods/people across borders, or any other state actions which nationalists advocate to "preserve muh culture" and so forth.
    The only writer who was executed at Nuremberg was the one who wrote a book advocating the idea of a German 'people' (volk). That's rather interesting, isn't it? The globalist French presidential candidate, Macron, said "There is no such thing as French culture". Interesting, isn't it?

    The planned and coordinated migration invasion of europe ("Population Replacement" in the UN document) is the final poison pill to end the nations and peoples of Europe, forever.

    We cannot stop it, but we can document it.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    There's no need resort to a shadowy globalist plot to explain libertarian hostility to nationalism.

    The two ideologies are plainly incompatible.

    Libertarians condemn aggression, nationalists advocate it.
    Better try another tac, rev. lolol

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    The only writer who was executed at Nuremberg was the one who wrote a book advocating the idea of a German 'people' (volk). That's rather interesting, isn't it? The globalist French presidential candidate, Macron, said "There is no such thing as French culture". Interesting, isn't it?

    The planned and coordinated migration invasion of europe ("Population Replacement" in the UN document) is the final poison pill to end the nations and peoples of Europe, forever.

    We cannot stop it, but we can document it.
    My point isn't that European cultures aren't under threat from immigration (they are, to an extent), but that, regardless, it is inappropriate for the state to violate the rights of innocent people (immigrants and natives) in order to restrict immigration, or do whatever else it is which nationalists demand it do to preserve the culture. The state ought not be in the culture-making business.

  7. #35
    The idea of nations is to say that people who desire to live under a certain set of principles/culture, can do so, while others, in other nations, can do as they also please.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    My point isn't that European cultures aren't under threat from immigration (they are, to an extent), but that, regardless, it is inappropriate for the state to violate the rights of innocent people (immigrants and natives) in order to restrict immigration, or do whatever else it is which nationalists demand it do to preserve the culture. The state ought not be in the culture-making business.
    I see your point. Certainly there would be far less migrants if they weren't guaranteed free food, lodging and hookers at the expense of the european taxpayer. The reports of a saturation campaign in the arab countries "Come to Germany! They will build houses for you." shouldn't be forgotten either.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    I see your point. Certainly there would be far less migrants if they weren't guaranteed free food, lodging and hookers at the expense of the european taxpayer. The reports of a saturation campaign in the arab countries "Come to Germany! They will build houses for you." shouldn't be forgotten either.
    There's the problem, indeed, not immigration per se.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The state ought not be in the culture-making business.
    The "state" ought not be in business, period.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...which is why it's a bad idea.
    You attributed to me something that I DID NOT SAY!!!
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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    There's the problem, indeed, not immigration per se.
    It's a leftist talking point to conflate immigration with the illegal alien invasion of our country. But, carry on with your cultural marxist lesson.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    You attributed to me something that I DID NOT SAY!!!
    Brackets in a quote indicate editorialization. So, no I didn't.

    What I did was explain what you meant.

    Allowing "people who desire to live under a certain set of principles/culture" to do so is a euphemism for state violence against innocents.

    That's what you're advocating.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    It's a leftist talking point to conflate immigration with the illegal alien invasion of our country. But, carry on with your cultural marxist lesson.
    It's an asinine talking point to pretend that opposition to illegal immigration isn't opposition to immigration in general.

    ...since the only reason there is such a thing as illegal immigration is that immigration is restricted.

    going after illegal immigration = enforcing immigration restrictions

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Brackets in a quote indicate editorialization. So, no I didn't.

    What I did was explain what you meant.

    Allowing "people who desire to live under a certain set of principles/culture" to do so is a euphemism for state violence against innocents.

    That's what you're advocating.
    Nope. Putting your own blather inside a quotation with my name attached is a lie. If you want to give your opinion as to something I said, put it as part of your own post BELOW what you have quoted of mine. ie. Outside of the quotation.

    I would have thought by now you would have figured out how forums work.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    It's an asinine talking point to pretend that opposition to illegal immigration isn't opposition to immigration in general.

    ...since the only reason there is such a thing as illegal immigration is that immigration is restricted.

    going after illegal immigration = enforcing immigration restrictions
    No, in fact it is not. Which is why you conflate them. lol
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    Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America

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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    My point isn't that European cultures aren't under threat from immigration (they are, to an extent), but that, regardless, it is inappropriate for the state to violate the rights of innocent people (immigrants and natives) in order to restrict immigration, or do whatever else it is which nationalists demand it do to preserve the culture.
    What rights do they have?

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul in 2008 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    My point isn't that European cultures aren't under threat from immigration (they are, to an extent), but that, regardless, it is inappropriate for the state to violate the rights of innocent people (immigrants and natives) in order to restrict immigration, or do whatever else it is which nationalists demand it do to preserve the culture. The state ought not be in the culture-making business.
    What rights do they have?
    The same that everyone has - property rights.

    Basic Principles of Libertarian Ethics

    When ICE arrests Jose for violating immigration law, ICE is violating his property rights.

    ...just as if I declared that you may not walk on your neighbor's lawn, and then kidnapped you when you did.

    The immigration regime also violates the property rights of natives, e.g. by imposing fines on them for dealing with illegal immigrants.

    ...just as if I declared that you may not hire your neighbor to mow your lawn, and then stole money from you when you did.

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