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Thread: Would Repealing the Income Tax Really Be a Good Thing?

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    Would Repealing the Income Tax Really Be a Good Thing?

    ....If not bundled with a proposal to cut spending?

    I mean, you guys wouldn't support repealing the income tax, would you?

    That would be grossly irresponsible. Right?



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    Income tax is theft.

  4. #3
    I dunno, it might upset some people.
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    Not cutting spending to go along with it would mean more government borrowing or raising some other form of taxes. Ron Paul says you have to take care of spending first.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Tax_Reform.htm

    We have to cut spending. You can’t get rid of the income tax if you don’t get rid of some spending.

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not cutting spending to go along with it would mean more government borrowing or raising some other form of taxes. Ron Paul says you have to take care of spending first.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Tax_Reform.htm
    ........right

    But like in the video I posted in the other thread on the topic, Ron Paul would still vote for the tax cuts.


    I guess if you just read headlines rather than listening to the content, you would never know that..




    Summary: Ron Paul says Trump's tax plan won't work without spending cuts (but he would still vote for it)
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Income tax is theft.
    ^^THIS^^
    There is no spoon.

  8. #7
    Just enforce it properly as most Americans are not subject to it.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

  9. #8
    Obliterate the income tax and they will replace it with fifteen new taxes that are going to come from our pocket and still spend more.



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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    ....If not bundled with a proposal to cut spending?

    I mean, you guys wouldn't support repealing the income tax, would you?

    That would be grossly irresponsible. Right?
    Technically it's the spending that builds the roads, not any taxes

    As long as the government keeps building roads, military, health departments, NSA's, etc

    then im totally cool with it
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  12. #10
    Would i vote for it ? Yes .
    Do something Danke

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Income tax is theft.
    ALL taxation is theft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    ....If not bundled with a proposal to cut spending?

    I mean, you guys wouldn't support repealing the income tax, would you?

    That would be grossly irresponsible. Right?
    Would do it in a heartbeat.

    Government assenholes already spend way beyond their means anyways, what's another couple of trillion a year?

    $#@! it all, burn it down.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Would Repealing the Income Tax Really Be a Good Thing?
    Yes.

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not cutting spending to go along with it would mean more government borrowing or raising some other form of taxes. Ron Paul says you have to take care of spending first.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Tax_Reform.htm
    I don't care how much they borrow, as long as they (the government) are responsible for paying it back. Maybe they will go bankrupt and go out of business.

    Leave those who don't want to support government alone.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I don't care how much they borrow, as long as they (the government) are responsible for paying it back. Maybe they will go bankrupt and go out of business.

    Leave those who don't want to support government alone.
    So where will the government get money to pay it back? From taxes. More borrowing means higher interest payments which means higher taxes will be necessary in the future but don't worry- it won't be your problem. You will still get everything for free for now.

    And if the government does default, it will cause interest rates to soar meaning higher costs (hidden taxes) for you when they do. Either way, there is no "free ride".
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-27-2017 at 05:19 PM.

  18. #16
    So practically everyone here gave an answer to the values-laden OP question Would Repealing the Income Tax Really Be a Good Thing? You however, (and per usual), gave your patented non-answer by simply attempting to point out the consequences of liberty and such issues. Do you have any other templates that you use here?

    Also, do you ever actually discuss what you believe? Pretty easy to be a naysayer and a contrarian.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not cutting spending to go along with it would mean more government borrowing or raising some other form of taxes. Ron Paul says you have to take care of spending first.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Tax_Reform.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So where will the government get money to pay it back? From taxes. More borrowing means higher interest payments which means higher taxes will be necessary in the future but don't worry- it won't be your problem. You will still get everything for free for now.

    And if the government does default, it will cause interest rates to soar meaning higher costs (hidden taxes) for you when they do. Either way, there is no "free ride".
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    ....If not bundled with a proposal to cut spending?

    I mean, you guys wouldn't support repealing the income tax, would you?

    That would be grossly irresponsible. Right?
    da fuq?
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    And if the government does default, it will cause interest rates to soar meaning higher costs (hidden taxes) for you when they do. Either way, there is no "free ride".
    What is wrong with high interest rates?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What is wrong with high interest rates?
    They raise the costs of things and slow economies. Actually a default would probably crash the economy- not just slow it. Or you could do that with taxes if that is what you like.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-27-2017 at 08:16 PM.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Would do it in a heartbeat.

    Government assenholes already spend way beyond their means anyways, what's another couple of trillion a year?

    $#@! it all, burn it down.
    Yellen is pretty smart, it's her job to figure that kind of thing out
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So where will the government get money to pay it back? From taxes. More borrowing means higher interest payments which means higher taxes will be necessary in the future but don't worry- it won't be your problem. You will still get everything for free for now.

    And if the government does default, it will cause interest rates to soar meaning higher costs (hidden taxes) for you when they do. Either way, there is no "free ride".
    Is somebody looking for government to give them a ride?

    If they can't get by without robbing people, let them go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Is somebody looking for government to give them a ride?

    If they can't get by without robbing people, let them go down.
    So the dollar become useless and states, free market and/or entrepreneurs come up with alternatives, win win.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What is wrong with high interest rates?
    If they get out of hand, the market will find alternatives if unrestrained from Federal Government.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

    Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.


    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Would Repealing the Income Tax Really Be a Good Thing?
    Yes

    ....If not bundled with a proposal to cut spending?
    Yes

    I mean, you guys wouldn't support repealing the income tax, would you?
    Yes

    That would be grossly irresponsible. Right?
    No
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Yes



    Yes



    Yes



    No
    YES
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    So the dollar become useless and states, free market and/or entrepreneurs come up with alternatives, win win.
    That's what happens when "The Dollar" becomes a paper token. As Ron Paul has said over and over again, fiat currencies, backed by nothing, become worthless over time and always fail.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    That's what happens when "The Dollar" becomes a paper token. As Ron Paul has said over and over again, fiat currencies, backed by nothing, become worthless over time and always fail.
    How successful have gold backed currencies been? How many survive today?

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How successful have gold backed currencies been? How many survive today?
    They would probably do pretty well if government wouldn't intervene. It's government fiat and greed that causes gold and silver to stop being used as money.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How successful have gold backed currencies been? How many survive today?
    Ask Moammar Gadhafi.
    "The Patriarch"

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Ask Moammar Gadhafi.
    Libyan money isn't backed by gold.

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