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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post

    Most police officers are good cops and good people.
    Swallow bitch!

    And say "Thank You" before looking up.



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    If you discover someone did not commit a crime, you can let him out prison. You can't let him out of the grave.
    this is an appeal to emotion. a killer in prison can kill again, no?

    so both sets of circumstances can have the impact of more lives lost - but I'm not taking that appeal to emotion angle here.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Swallow bitch!

    And say "Thank You" before looking up.
    that was a direct quote from Rand Paul.

    you are a poser - you stand for insanity.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    that was a direct quote from Rand Paul.

    you are a poser - you stand for insanity.
    Golly be Jesus!

    You've done gone and out smarted me.......

    Copsucker!

    Have you had your front teeth knocked out or did you have them pulled on your dime?

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Golly be Jesus!

    You've done gone and out smarted me.......

    Copsucker!

    Have you had your front teeth knocked out or did you have them pulled on your dime?
    cookoo

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    cookoo
    There's that superior intellect and convincing prose that wins arguments.....

    What do callouses on your knees feel like?



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    There's that superior intellect and convincing prose that wins arguments.....

    What do callouses on your knees feel like?
    Most police officers are good cops and good people.

    the need to disparage me with homophobic nonsense for repeating that quote speaks volumes about the type of man you really are

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post

    the need to disparage me with homophobic nonsense for repeating that quote speaks volumes about the type of man you really are
    No you imbecile you started with the insults and I'm more than happy to sling 'em right back at your poorly equipped ass...

    It must be difficult trying to actually state a position on much of anything when you keep finding yourself having to rely on insults...




    As for this thread and the topic of "The death penalty" .....

    I'm all for killing those who need killing but I'm dead set against agents of the state being involved in either the trial or the execution.

    They have an abysmal record at both.

    Such matters would be better handled by local militias or even neighborhood groups who had a vested interest.

    This is another area where federal tax dollars are best not spent, they come with too many strings.

  11. #99
    The legal argument against the death penalty, even at the state level, is that it violates the eighth amendment, and by incorporation via the 14th amendment, the states are not allowed to carry out cruel and unusual punishment.

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Most police officers are good cops and good people.

    the need to disparage me with homophobic nonsense for repeating that quote speaks volumes about the type of man you really are
    Good cops get punished and filtered out of the system. I am not saying all of them are bad, but there is this whole system where they don't report anything against eachother out of fear of retribution. There aren't enough cops out there willing to write another cop a ticket. There is not a rule of law just a fancy way of creating revenue for the state and locking undesirables up. People are $#@!ing scared to death of anyone of authority because they can murder your dog because it licked them.

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Ron Paul is on record as being against the death penalty both at the federal level and the state level.

    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...nment-program/

    From a strictly libertarian point of view. transferring the right of the state to do something immoral from the federal level to the state level doesn't matter. Ron Paul is a states rights person. But on the issue of abortion he has voted, for example, in favor of federal restrictions on late term abortions.
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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    No you imbecile you started with the insults and I'm more than happy to sling 'em right back at your poorly equipped ass...
    you suffer reading comprehension issues.

    I'm not saying you started it. I clearly called you insane. I even owned up to doing so in other threads. I stand by that, you are nuts.

    so by saying no, you are proving to again be a retard that can't debate because you can't read well

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    this is an appeal to emotion. a killer in prison can kill again, no?

    so both sets of circumstances can have the impact of more lives lost - but I'm not taking that appeal to emotion angle here.
    It has nothing to do with emotion. And it has nothing to do with "the impact of more lives lost" (whatever that is supposed to mean).

    It is an appeal against hypocrisy.

    Killers can be punished without killing them. Capital punishment will inevitably result in the killing of innocents.

    Killing innocents in the name of punishing the killers of innocents is the epitome of hypocritical self-contradiction

    If anything, yours is the emotional position. You clearly don't give a damn about the wrongly-convicted innocent. I doubt you even give a damn about the rightly-convicted guilty. As I suspect is the case for many "law and order" masturbators, support for capital punishment seems to be little more than a legal way of vicariously getting off on killing other people.

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Killers can be punished without killing them. Capital punishment will inevitably result in the killing of innocents.
    again, a useless appeal to emotion. life in prison without parole will also result in the killing of innocents. I'm not sure which results in less deaths. countless studies on both sides can be cited arguing about the impact the death penalty has on deterring crime for instance..


    If anything, yours is the emotional position. You clearly don't give a damn about the wrongly-convicted innocent. I doubt you even give a damn about the rightly-convicted guilty. As I suspect is the case for many "law and order" masturbators, support for capital punishment seems to be little more than a legal way of vicariously getting off on killing other people.
    pro tip - You would do well to show less emotion when claiming I am the one to appeal to emotion

    I primarily believe in consent of the governed. I also believe in the concept of originalism when honoring legal contracts.

    So, I argue strongly in the favor of states having the power to do this. I find it very upsetting the way progressives use the power of the judicial system to unwind original understanding of what was agreed to. SCOTUS did well today.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you suffer reading comprehension issues.

    I'm not saying you started it. I clearly called you insane. I even owned up to doing so in other threads. I stand by that, you are nuts.

    so by saying no, you are proving to again be a retard that can't debate because you can't read well
    More poorly worded attempts at insult...By one who claims qualified to denote insanity by mere proclamation.....

    Ho-hum...

    Appearing to a person of your intellect as "insane" or "nuts" surely means I'm on the right track....

    After all one needs only look around to see where people of your ilk have gotten society. "Please sir, may I have more of the same only harder"?

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    More poorly worded attempts at insult...By one who claims qualified to denote insanity by mere proclamation.....

    Ho-hum...

    Appearing to a person of your intellect as "insane" or "nuts" surely means I'm on the right track....

    After all one needs only look around to see where people of your ilk have gotten society. "Please sir, may I have more of the same only harder"?
    "my ilk".

    lol.

    hate to tell you, but if using the word poser implies bad things, the use of the word ilk is way, way worse.

    thank you for that one. a good belly laugh there.

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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    not sure how your gif applies here at all?

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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I didn't think you knew what liberty was.
    this thread is about powers delegated to government, and subsequently the obfuscation of those powers by the incorporation of the bill of rights.

    your gif makes no sense. in the fine words of Spinal Tap - "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever"

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    this thread is about powers delegated to government, and subsequently the obfuscation of those powers by the incorporation of the bill of rights.
    I know all about your "states rights". You probably think the state has the right to choke people to death because they broke the law. Where does it end though, when does the state start choking people to death for not paying taxes, when does that become okay?

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I know all about your "states rights". You probably think the state has the right to choke people to death because they broke the law. Where does it end though, when does the state start choking people to death for not paying taxes, when does that become okay?
    okay is relative. we don't live in the perfect utopia . bad $#@! happens.

    if enough people say it is ok to choke you out for not paying taxes, you are $#@!ed if you don't pay taxes. sorry. that axiom is just part of the deal.

    fortunately, I believe people are generally good. the problem is usually that lone people are acting in a manner that most people don't agree with, making your question a bit of a straw man.



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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I'm not sure which results in less deaths.

    I am the one to appeal to emotion

    I find it very upsetting the way progressives use the
    "We can't have an informed discussion, because we don't have data," FBI Director James Comey said in the House of Representatives in October.
    "People have data about who went to a movie last weekend, or how many books were sold, or how many cases of the flu walked into an emergency room. And I cannot tell you how many people were shot by police in the United States last month, last year, or anything about the demographics. And that's a very bad place to be."

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    okay is relative. we don't live in the perfect utopia . bad $#@! happens.

    if enough people say it is ok to choke you out for not paying taxes, you are $#@!ed if you don't pay taxes. sorry. that axiom is just part of the deal.

    fortunately, I believe people are generally good. the problem is usually that lone people are acting in a manner that most people don't agree with, making your question a bit of a straw man.
    I would totally agree with you if we had consent in the manner, but I don't care who you or I vote for, they will still change the rules, or run someone with unlimited free tv to drown out our vote. There is no consent to this rape.

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  30. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    So your saying a home owner that has a gun should go for the kill shot when a poor thief enters his home with a 3 inch knife ?
    If the home owner wants to.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    That is more justified than putting Jeffery Dahmer down ?
    Once in jail, the threat to society is gone
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Or should everybody pay taxes to keep him incarcerated for the rest of his natural life ?
    A good use for taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    These are ideological questions worthy of discussions.
    Isn't the ideology built around not killing unless under eminent threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    As for the State ideology we can't say well leave it to the states on this but not on that, I actually agree that federally if you commit a 1st degree murder such as a paid assassin, the penalty should be the same through the entire country whatever that is life imprisonment or the death penalty.
    Gun control seems to be a good one to leave to the States, but not abortion or the death penalty, those are my thought anyways.
    The Feds cannot abuse the rights of the individual either. The Feds didn't grant life, that life isn't theirs, they should not be able to take it.

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I would totally agree with you if we had consent in the manner, but I don't care who you or I vote for, they will still change the rules, or run someone with unlimited free tv to drown out our vote. There is no consent to this rape.
    this 5-4 decision means the winners were those that were honoring the original understanding of our rules.

    the first step to taking anything back is to adhere to the rules - fighting for originalism is the first step. This SCOTUS nomination might be the only good thing that comes from Trump, so this thread should be a celebration, but the useless anarchists in our midst prevent that from every happening.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    this 5-4 decision means the winners were those that were honoring the original understanding of our rules.
    Which "rules" and whose original understanding?

    Today's kourts in no way represent the justice system this country was founded on...

    I'll grant that Gorsuch was correct in standing by Arkansas in their decision but it was Arkansas who prostituted justice albeit not in the specific issue set before the SC to hear.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the first step to taking anything back is to adhere to the rules - fighting for originalism is the first step. This SCOTUS nomination might be the only good thing that comes from Trump, so this thread should be a celebration, but the useless anarchists in our midst prevent that from every happening.
    Blaming anarchists or anybody else for your failure to couch logical and succinct arguments without resorting to insult is asinine.

    "Originalism" is a sound theory if one uses it to refer to the constitution and bill or rights as they were written and not some 19th century interpretation...

    Laymen, not lawyers, must be called upon to make such distinctions, we as a nation are dealing with centuries of lawyer interpretation and they've brought nothing but strife and disagreement.........The 'original' documents were drafted and approved by a mix of laymen and lawyers so the only way to counteract centuries of lawyer interpretation is to have laymen interpret for an equal number of years...

    I haven't seen or heard any opinion expressed by Gorsuch that would lead me to believe he's going to even try to adhere to the constitution or bill of rights as they were written....The simple issue of whether or not states have the authority to execute a citizen sentenced to death is not exactly a pivotal issue...

    Given Gorsuch's pedigree it's very unlikely that he'll ever be able to interpret the writings as they were meant;

    Mr. Trump’s selection of Judge Gorsuch was nonetheless a bit of a surprise, coming from someone who had campaigned as a Washington outsider. Judge Gorsuch has deep roots in the city and the establishment Mr. Trump often criticized.

    His mother was a high-level official in the Reagan administration. He spent part of his childhood in Washington and practiced law here for a decade, at a prominent law firm and in the Justice Department. And, like all of the current justices, he is a product of the Ivy League, having attended college at Columbia and law school at Harvard.


    Judge Gorsuch, 49 — who was appointed to the United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, in Denver, by President George W. Bush — is an originalist (this statement flies in the face of logic!TE), meaning he tries to interpret the Constitution consistently with the understanding of those who drafted and adopted it. This approach leads him to generally but not uniformly conservative results.


    It is easy however to see why you would call his appointment grounds to celebrate..............More of the same....

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    I'm against the death penalty. Especially administered by the state. But this dude beat a woman to death with a tire iron. Sheesh.
    Exactly. I mean, we've gotta choose our cause celebres carefully. Look at Black Lives Matter: every hero they pick turns out to invariably be a horrible criminal gangbanger who, any normal person would look at and say, probably totally deserved to get shot! We don't want to be Black Lives Matter.

    This guy was a criminal scum. I have only so much sympathy to go around. The general populace has even less. Let it go. Executing murderers is not a problem high on the to-do list of important things to solve so that our country isn't destroyed.

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    So your saying a home owner that has a gun should go for the kill shot when a poor thief enters his home with a 3 inch knife ?
    That is more justified than putting Jeffery Dahmer down ?
    Or should everybody pay taxes to keep him incarcerated for the rest of his natural life ?

    These are ideological questions worthy of discussions.

    As for the State ideology we can't say well leave it to the states on this but not on that, I actually agree that federally if you commit a 1st degree murder such as a paid assassin, the penalty should be the same through the entire country whatever that is life imprisonment or the death penalty.
    Gun control seems to be a good one to leave to the States, but not abortion or the death penalty, those are my thought anyways.
    Executions cost more than life in prison - a lot more and what about my tax dollars going to execute innocent people?


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