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    What do you all think about this? I don't know what Rand's doing but we can get people ready none the less.

    I'm fading out from this stuff, guys. I really am. To the point that I really look for reasons to stay around here. Respectfully.

    I don't even care if we just talk about it and run through the rules again. I watched those drones working for Sanders and they didn't know jack squat nothin. And we're lucky they didn't, too.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 04-17-2017 at 06:22 AM.
    Better Liberty with the challenge
    And dangers of the untried, unknown,
    Than Servitude's deadly certainty
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    What do you all think about this? I don't know what Rand's doing but we can get people ready none the less.

    I'm fading out from this stuff, guys. I really am. To the point that I really look for reasons to stay around here. Respectfully.
    There's more than a few sane voices here and given world politics I for one am glad to read what they have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    There's more than a few sane voices here and given world politics I for one am glad to read what they have to say.
    Yeah, I know, tod. Me, too. I probably shouldn't have said it that way. I just don't see anything getting done is all. Not even talking about doing anything.
    Better Liberty with the challenge
    And dangers of the untried, unknown,
    Than Servitude's deadly certainty
    Of economic security.

    Carpe Diem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Yeah, I know, tod. Me, too. I probably shouldn't have said it that way. I just don't see anything getting done is all. Not even talking about doing anything.
    What needs done can't be talked about.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    What needs done can't be talked about.....
    Eyep. Know what ya mean, man.
    Better Liberty with the challenge
    And dangers of the untried, unknown,
    Than Servitude's deadly certainty
    Of economic security.

    Carpe Diem!

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    Guess that's pretty much end thread, then. lol.
    Better Liberty with the challenge
    And dangers of the untried, unknown,
    Than Servitude's deadly certainty
    Of economic security.

    Carpe Diem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    What do you all think about this? I don't know what Rand's doing but we can get people ready none the less.
    Great idea. I've become disillusioned with the political process, myself but kudos to anyone with the stomach it for it and I'm happy to help in any way I can.

    I'm fading out from this stuff, guys. I really am.
    Me, too. It's defeating and disheartening and I don't need that negativity in my life.

    To the point that I really look for reasons to stay around here. Respectfully.
    I stay because I like the people. I consider y'all my internet family. I also like it because I can read an article and mostly agree with the comments. That doesn't happen most places. Also a good place for discussion, sharing, and learning. Those are reasons enough for me.

    I don't even care if we just talk about it and run through the rules again. I watched those drones working for Sanders and they didn't know jack squat nothin. And we're lucky they didn't, too.
    Okay but I'm not good with rules.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Okay but I'm not good with rules.

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    Hey. Stop it. lol.
    Better Liberty with the challenge
    And dangers of the untried, unknown,
    Than Servitude's deadly certainty
    Of economic security.

    Carpe Diem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    What do you all think about this? I don't know what Rand's doing but we can get people ready none the less.

    I'm fading out from this stuff, guys. I really am. To the point that I really look for reasons to stay around here. Respectfully.

    I don't even care if we just talk about it and run through the rules again. I watched those drones working for Sanders and they didn't know jack squat nothin. And we're lucky they didn't, too.
    Hello. If I've learned anything this election cycle it's this. "Winning" isn't everything. Or more importantly, there are short term gains that can mask long term losses and long term losses can mask short term gains. The long term gain we got from Ron Paul is that the libertarian message was gaining respect and popularity and it was gaining popularity across the political spectrum. Of course neither of Ron's campaigns won. This time, some us us felt like we "won." But what has been lost? Respect for our movement across the political spectrum. And "winning" by jumping on a bandwagon doesn't mean that you have any ability to steer that wagon in the direction you want it to go.

    So, here's the "campaign" that I think those of us who still care about liberty need to take. Forget "delegate strategies" and trying to figure out a way to make Rand, or anyone else, president. Concentrate instead on winning hearts and minds so that more people who disagree with us on certain issues, but agree with us on others, end up agreeing with us on more. For example, you mentioned Sanders supporters. My best friend voted for Sanders. She called me recently to complain about how badly the government has screwed up nutrition in America by subsidizing big farms. She thought "billionaires" were the problem, but didn't realize that government interference itself is the problem. Rather than lecture, I listened. She talked about how in some countries they pay 50% of their income to the government but they have a higher "happiness" index. (Actually that's not true. I looked it up and the countries she talked about have a 50% marginal tax rate on the highest incomes, but nobody pays 50% in taxes and they have lower corporate and capital gains taxes than the U.S.) I mentioned that I heard on NPR (of all places) that some countries have more social services (since that's what she wants) and lower income tax because they do value added tax. She was like "I'm cool with that. In fact there was someone who ran for president who's name I can't remember who was advocating something like that." We tried to think of the politician, but couldn't. Later in the conversation I mentioned something I read on RonPaulForums.com. She said "That's it! Ron Paul! That's the person who's tax idea I liked!"

    Let me repeat. This BERNIE SANDERS supporter told me "That's it! Ron Paul! That's the person who's tax idea I liked!"

    Let me repeat. This BERNIE SANDERS supporter told me "That's it! Ron Paul! That's the person who's tax idea I liked!"

    Let me repeat. This BERNIE SANDERS supporter told me "That's it! Ron Paul! That's the person who's tax idea I liked!"

    Let me repeat. This BERNIE SANDERS supporter told me "That's it! Ron Paul! That's the person who's tax idea I liked!"

    We have to stop thinking about people outside of the Republican party as our enemy and we have to stop thinking of everyone who sometimes says what we want to hear as our "friend." There is no way you will convince a Bernie Sanders supporter that Donald Trump's insane foreign policy that changes with the wind is really "3-infinity-D-squared chess" that will someone give him "political capital to make peace." You can't convince a rational thinking person of that either. By defending the indefensible we are daily losing more and more credibility.

    So, how to go about an educational campaign? Instead of training "delegates" we need to train ideological evangelists. What do I mean by that? An ideological evangelist is not going around trying to "win elections" or "influence politicians" or anything like that. An ideological evangelist tries to win hearts and minds of regular people on the street. Effective ideological evangelists are patient. They don't talk down to the people they are trying to convince. The don't yell at the people they are trying to convince. They know when to drop "seeds of truth" and when to shut up and move on. We see the results of ideological evangelism around us all the time. For example, the whole "climate change" movement. I was visiting some city years ago (forget where) and I was walking around the city center and there were global warming ideological evangelists walking around talking to whoever would pause long enough to listen about their pet cause. They got enough people to sign on to the idea that the "science" is clear that aerial plant food (CO2) is killing the planet (dumbest idea ever), so there was critical mass when the media kicked the lie into high gear. We don't have control over the media, but we can be ideological evangelists. Then again, we have enough freedom in this country to be our own media. Here is a man that understood the power of creating your own media. And it's a great place to start to train ourselves to become ideological evangelists.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    What needs done can't be talked about.....
    Ideological evangelism needs to be done and we can talk about it. Whether the U.S. is supposed to be it or not, it is a democracy. In a democracy you get to have your idea implemented if you can convince 51% of the population that you are right. So....how many "converts" to liberty have each of us gotten in the past year? We spend all our time and energy trying to manipulate people that hate us into giving us a seat at the table rather than taking that time and energy, learning to understand what other disenfranchised Americans really want, and showing them how liberty is really the most efficient way to achieve it. Freedom isn't popular simply because most of us suck at selling it.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Ideological evangelism needs to be done and we can talk about it. Whether the U.S. is supposed to be it or not, it is a democracy. In a democracy you get to have your idea implemented if you can convince 51% of the population that you are right. So....how many "converts" to liberty have each of us gotten in the past year? We spend all our time and energy trying to manipulate people that hate us into giving us a seat at the table rather than taking that time and energy, learning to understand what other disenfranchised Americans really want, and showing them how liberty is really the most efficient way to achieve it. Freedom isn't popular simply because most of us suck at selling it.
    I never stop preaching no taxes/no war......

    People are coming around to no war more than no taxes...

    Your Bernie supporter surprises me.....Has she figured out who's going to pay for her free $#@! without taxes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I never stop preaching no taxes/no war......

    People are coming around to no war more than no taxes...

    Your Bernie supporter surprises me.....Has she figured out who's going to pay for her free $#@! without taxes?
    That's just it. Some socialist countries tax at a lower rate but they tax more people and have a broader base. You can actually get more money taxing consumption rather than income. Income is easier to hide. Also if you aren't trying to bomb the crap out of people that did nothing to you, that can save a lot of money. A cruise missile costs $1.5 million. We just lobbed 50 of them at someone who did nothing to us. Simple math says that's $75 million. And that's not including postage. Ron Paul said it himself. If we quit policing the world and got rid of all of the crazy tax loopholes, we could cut the tax rate for most people, increase social spending and cut the deficit at the same time. Whether or not increased social spending is a good idea or not is a separate issue. But fiscally that would work.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Ideological evangelism needs to be done and we can talk about it. Whether the U.S. is supposed to be it or not, it is a democracy. In a democracy you get to have your idea implemented if you can convince 51% of the population that you are right. So....how many "converts" to liberty have each of us gotten in the past year? We spend all our time and energy trying to manipulate people that hate us into giving us a seat at the table rather than taking that time and energy, learning to understand what other disenfranchised Americans really want, and showing them how liberty is really the most efficient way to achieve it. Freedom isn't popular simply because most of us suck at selling it.
    Freedom isn't popular because most folks are brainwashed. They don't even understand the concept. It's sad, really. I may not be a good salesperson but it's also not easy to undo a lifetime of Fox News and CNN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Freedom isn't popular because most folks are brainwashed. They don't even understand the concept. It's sad, really. I may not be a good salesperson but it's also not easy to undo a lifetime of Fox News and CNN.

    Okay. But I was one of those brainwashed people. I'm not saying it was easy to change my paradigm and ideals.....but it happened. Trying to take over the GOP, which as been our strategy since Ron lost in 2008, has been like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that Lucy keeps moving. Seriously, as soon as it looked like we were "winning", they changed the rules. So all of our delegate "wins" were for naught. Even "winning" the presidency was for naught (if you count Trump as a "win" for liberty, which I don't), because if you sacrifice principles to get someone elected, you can't come back and resurrect those principles for that person to govern by.

    Now, you don't have to be "good" at ideological evangelism to be effective. I'm not "good" at it. I got some of my extended family to vote for Ron Paul both times so he got 8 votes he otherwise wouldn't have gotten but that's just 8 votes right? But imagine if every Ron Paul supporter did that? Imagine Ron Paul's votes multiplied by 8. We will never do that by treating Bernie voters as "the enemy." And in truth, they aren't the "enemy." We all have a common enemy. Most of us just don't understand who he is or how to effectively counter him.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    The U.S. isn't a democracy. Not yet anyway. When we don't have rights that can't be taken away by majority vote, that is when we will be and I truly hope we can work to restore our Constitutional Republic before that happens. Democracies have always created crushing tyranny and there hasn't been one that lasted yet.

    Democracy is a Greek word. Demos meaning people and kratean meaning to rule. It means the rule of the people, majority rule. The flaw in democracy is no restriction. If a majority can be persuaded to want something, they rule. So a majority could vote your rights away. Basically mob rule.

    Republic is from the Latin. Res meaning thing and publica meaning public. It means the public thing, the law. Ruled by law. In a republic, the government is restricted by constitutional law from making any laws they want by majority vote.

    We've allowed the government to ignore the constitution and Jefferson said, the biggest threat to freedom is a government that ignores the constitution.

    And to the Republic for which our flag stands! The word democracy isn't in the constitution, the declaration of independence or the constitutions of the 50 states. The founding fathers did everything they could to keep us from having a democracy. We have to keep it though like Franklin said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    What do you all think about this? I don't know what Rand's doing but we can get people ready none the less.

    I'm fading out from this stuff, guys. I really am. To the point that I really look for reasons to stay around here. Respectfully.

    I don't even care if we just talk about it and run through the rules again. I watched those drones working for Sanders and they didn't know jack squat nothin. And we're lucky they didn't, too.
    I think becoming a delegate and voting in national elections is a fantastic hobby. It's a lot of fun, for the whole family
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    What needs done can't be talked about.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Eyep. Know what ya mean, man.
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    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
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    This is a good intro video on how to become a "super voter". If you need more details @Matt Collins can help

    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Hey, Robert's Rules of Order are good to know, I don't care what anybody says.

    I think Bryan pulled some stuff like that once. And they ended up out in the parking lot finishing business. I think he had a video of it. I think Matt did it, too. Not sure. But I know for sure Bryan did it.

    If nothing else, it's at least good to see people try anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    This is a good intro video on how to become a "super voter". If you need more details @Matt Collins can help

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    And dangers of the untried, unknown,
    Than Servitude's deadly certainty
    Of economic security.

    Carpe Diem!

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    We need to start holding the people serving and protecting our rights (government) accountable. They work for us. Each individual needs to write their Congressman to make them aware that we will not accept any further encroachment on our rights as well as any additional concerns you may have. We the people have not been acting while the Obama administration has rewritten law to make bills pass. We have to wake up and act in a way the system was designed. A Republican form of government is what we are promised in the constitution. The constitution is supreme law of the land.

    Benjamin Franklin said when the lady asked him what have you given us on his way out of the constitutional convention. He said a republic ma'am, if you can keep it. A Constitutional republic is what we still have unless we keep letting them strip our rights and it will inevitably turn to democracy based on equality (produces crushing tyranny for those it robs and rules historically and always leads to dictatorship) and destroy our republic, based on individual liberty.

    And to the Republic for which our flag stands!

    Educate as he says back in 1966 in this factual video. When he is quoting he is not agreeing as he goes on to say the people who parrot those ideas are either ignorant or dishonest. Must watch in its entirety to get what he's saying.

    https://youtu.be/ewJyuXSW5nA

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    Another factual video and they used to show this one in school

    https://youtu.be/y43a6BsNQb4

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    Y'alls points are well taken but many are saying that the Freedom Caucus controls Congress now and nothing passes without 'our' approval, for better or worse.
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    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    This is a good intro video on how to become a "super voter". If you need more details @Matt Collins can help

    I love being a "Super Voter". People get to vote for me so I can vote for the people that will vote for people that everyone will be able to vote for in the general election! So much voting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I love being a "Super Voter". People get to vote for me so I can vote for the people that will vote for people that everyone will be able to vote for in the general election! So much voting!
    Careful...you might give The Texan a chubby with all that voting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.






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