If this is true, then the deep state has won:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ntrol-pentagon
wtf. This is bad.
Originally Posted by openfire
"Lost control"??
He just gave them "total authorization". http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-authorization
He isn't "losing" control - he gave it to them! You Trump guys still don't get how you've been cucked! You bought the con of what you wanted Trump to be; not what he really is. Too bad for you. You're going to have a long couple of years trying to reconcile all of this in your head.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
^This. I wish @openfire and other Trump supporters like @dannno would stop and think about why the book "The Art of the Deal" was written. It was written about making sales. Trump is a salesman. He's always been that. There's nothing wrong with that. We need salesman in order to have a vibrant economy. But nobody stopped and asked the question "What is Trump really selling" when he got into politics. People assumed that Trump had the same core values they had. If he didn't, why would he take such "politically incorrect" positions? It's simple. Political correctness is relative. To teocons, being anti immigrant is politically correct. To libertarians/Ron Paul voters, being against the Iraq war "from the beginning" is politically correct. To both sides being against NAFTA and the TPP is politically correct. Trump told people what they wanted to hear. That's always a recipe for winning. And, above all else, Trump likes to win.
He just gave them "total authorization". http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-authorization
He isn't "losing" control - he gave it to them! You Trump guys still don't get how you've been cucked! You bought the con of what you wanted Trump to be; not what he really is. Too bad for you. You're going to have a long couple of years trying to reconcile all of this in your head.
Seriously, the vast majority of Americans, especially republican voters, likes the sound of "Getting the politicians out of the way and letting the generals win the war." Supposedly we lost Vietnam because "The politicians wouldn't let the generals win the war." We've been screwing around in Afghanistan for over a decade now. We got out of Iraq because Obama actually kept a promise that Bush made, but now we're back in. Nobody wants to consider the possibility that both countries reached an "as good as it gets" stage years ago and that the entire region would be better off if we just left it alone. So Trump will keep doing what he rightly realizes most of his base craves which is "winning" the wars. But the problem is that ultimately these wars aren't winnable. Not based on any real definition of winning. There is no greater oxymoron than a "humanitarian war."
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"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
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"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I think Trump has given the Military Industrial Complex the keys and he is riding in the back seat.Trump: I've Given The Military "Total Authorization," "That's Why They've Been So Successful Lately"
Anybody who doesn't support Trump is letting the terrorists win.
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I thought it was the globalists.
"The Patriarch"
Them too!
And the swamp creatures, can't forget them.........
If so, is anyone really surprised?
Apparently the OP is.
"The Patriarch"
These guys at least have a plan. /s
Pretty much. He is all about "empowering" cops and generals to create law and order.
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I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
Also the whole "war with the deep state" is fake news, according to President Donald.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows
Take some deep breathes and meditate.. I always like that website but a lot of people who disagree with Trump's individual actions tend to adopt deep state narratives to some degree or another.
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"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I'm thinking of a new word for you, Dannno... How about, "Hypno-Trumped"?!
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
I would prefer that to being hypnotized to the mainstream media narratives like you are.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
dannno, how much of why the $#@! has the president given all war powers to the generals instead of back to congress, do you not understand?
There is no spoon.
Sorry, Dannno. I'm not following any "narratives". I use a few basic axioms: Is government getting bigger or smaller? Are we getting more involved in overseas conflicts or less? Are we spending more of my grandchildren's money or less?
Trump's actions do not surprise me. This is what I expected him to do. I don't have to make up fancy excuses or strained reasoning for him. He is what he is. A high-stakes conman who uses people's fantasies for his own power.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Well clearly you missed my post on the State of Trump Address, because he is actually doing a fantastic job so far if you read past the mainstream media lies. Check it out:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Trump-Address
Trump is making government smaller and we are less involved in boondoggle wars. Did you know he passed the EO saying that we have to repeal two regulations in order to pass one?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
With the directive to defeat ISIS, as opposed to helping them... They have not been given the directive to attack any sovereign countries.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Yes. And I said it was a good start (although meaningless, since "regulations" aren't always enumerated)
Did you see the one where he authorized hiring 10,000 more federal agents?! Awesome!
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
FWIW, Yemen and Syria are both sovereign countries.
Even so, are you really ascared of ISIS? Seems to me, and any rational person, the response is completely disproportionate to the threat.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Is that why trump ok'd an attack on Syria's military?
No - No - No - No
2016
Oh come on man!
A buncha Brownies in mud huts are absolutely worth 17 gazillion dollars of military might to set 'em straight....
Especially without a declaration of war........
What better way to care for the MIC's children?
Right, besides the 15 minute attack on the empty airbase for allegedly using sarin gas against civilians..
Would you prefer a military boondoggle, regime change and nation building to a 15 minute attack on an empty airbase?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
While I do not support intervention, the sad fact is that we are in a bad situation for which receding may not prove a viable solution.
Somebody created ISIS, etc. May have been "us" (horse-$#@! use of the set in question, but nobody seems willing to abandon it), may have been "globalists"... who in hell can say, without a list of verified names? This is one way in which Theye can so effectively deflect attention from themselves. The "U.S." created ISIS. Bull$#@!. I am the USA, yet had nothing to do with ISIS' creation. Methinks you get the point?
I don't suppose we owe anyone in the middle east anything, but from a strictly practical standpoint we are perhaps behooved to consider the broader implications of leaving ISIS alone. Will it die on the vine? Not if Theye continue to pump billions into the cause, perhaps with the aim of growing them such that they are then able to mount a credible offensive against America. All very speculative, I grant you, but very plausible as well.
The question is whether pulling out will hurt us more in the long run. The fact is, we're painted into what is likely a very bad corner. Just turning our backs to an ISIS that continues to receive major funding runs the risk of it consolidating power throughout the middle east, getting hands on not only nukes, but delivery instruments, and so forth. This is not empty speculation. Consider the apparent goals of those Wahhabist vermin: to take over the world. They may be idiots, but they are clever and treacherous all the same. If they are left with free run, you know they are going to go for the city-busting weapons, as well as gases, biologics, and so forth.
I don't know where proper sense lies in all this. I can see valid reason in both arguments, but for me a huge factor is whether the jihadis would continue to grow in the absence of funding from the US. I strongly suspect that they would because I do not believe Theye would simply stop funding them, but would only change the channel. I think it is dangerously naive to assume that ISIS is the product of America. It is the product of globalist interests who used America as the instrument. We withdraw and Theye find a new path.
Were there an honest recognition of the global situation, the borders to Europe would have been shut long ago, as would those of the rest of the world. There is something very sinister going on here, or so it appears.
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He just gave them "total authorization". http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-authorization
He isn't "losing" control - he gave it to them! You Trump guys still don't get how you've been cucked! You bought the con of what you wanted Trump to be; not what he really is. Too bad for you. You're going to have a long couple of years trying to reconcile all of this in your head.
Don Lemon said the same thing a few days ago.
I don't understand why you keep writing posts that insinuate I support military action overseas. I keep saying that I don't, yet you keep making these posts.
What I do prefer, is our military going after ISIS over getting involved in boondoggle regime change wars and nation building.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"Our military" isn't designed or intended to go after individuals which is why there's supposed to be a declaration of war prior to unleashing them....
This isn't a war. It is a pageant.
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