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    Taxation is Theft



    Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

    With a tax code that exceeds 72,000 pages in length and consumes more than six billion person hours per year to determine taxpayers’ taxable income, with an IRS that has become a feared law unto itself, and with a government that continues to extract more wealth from every taxpaying American every year, is it any wonder that April 15th is a day of dread in America? Social Security taxes and income taxes have dogged us all since their institution during the last century, and few politicians have been willing to address these ploys for what they are: theft.

    During the 2012 election, then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry caused a firestorm among big-government types during the Republican presidential primaries last year when he called Social Security a Ponzi scheme. He was right. It’s been a scam from its inception, and it’s still a scam today.

    When Social Security was established in 1935, it was intended to provide minimal financial assistance to those too old to work. It was also intended to cause voters to become dependent on Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Democrats. FDR copied the idea from a system established in Italy by Mussolini. The plan was to have certain workers and their employers make small contributions to a fund that would be held in trust for the workers by the government. At the time, the average life expectancy of Americans was 61 years of age, but Social Security didn’t kick in until age 65. Thus, the system was geared to take money from the average American worker that he would never see returned.

    Over time, life expectancy grew and surpassed 65, the so-called trust fund was raided and spent, and the system was paying out more money than it was taking in – just like a Ponzi scheme. FDR called Social Security an insurance policy. In reality, it has become forced savings. However, the custodian of the funds – Congress – has stolen the savings and spent it. And the value of the savings has been diminished by inflation.

    Today, the best one can hope to receive from Social Security is dollars with the buying power of 75 cents for every dollar contributed. That makes Social Security worse than a Ponzi scheme. You can get out of a Ponzi investment. You can’t get out of Social Security. Who would stay with a bank that returned only 75 percent of one’s savings?

    The Constitution doesn’t permit the feds to steal your money. But steal, the feds do.

    Also in 2012, during a Republican presidential debate, a young man asked the moderator to pose the following question to the candidates: “If I earn a dollar, how much of it am I entitled to keep?” The question was passed to one of the candidates, who punted, and then the moderator changed the topic. Only Congressman Ron Paul gave a serious post-debate answer to the young man’s question: “All of it.”


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    There are only three ways to acquire wealth in a free society. The inheritance model occurs when someone gives you wealth. The economic model occurs when you trade a skill, a talent, an asset, knowledge, sweat, energy or creativity to a willing buyer. And the mafia model occurs when a guy with a gun says: “Give me your money or else.”

    Which model does the government use? Why do we put up with this?

    https://mises.org/blog/taxation-theft

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    Four million dollars a day for the White House to operate I've come to find out.

    Bunchowhores.

    And what ever happened to Donald Trump's tax plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Four million dollars a day for the White House to operate I've come to find out.

    Bunchowhores.

    And what ever happened to Donald Trump's tax plan?
    34D chess?

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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Meh. Theft is inevitable with constitutionalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    And what ever happened to Donald Trump's tax plan?
    Filed next to the Wall's blueprints, until the next election.
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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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    If you don't pay your taxes (debt you DIDN'T agree to) they confiscate your stuff and/or put you in jail. If you don't pay private debt (debt you DID agree to) nothing happens.

    Why is that? Zippy? Count?

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    If you don't pay your taxes (debt you DIDN'T agree to) they confiscate your stuff and/or put you in jail. If you don't pay private debt (debt you DID agree to) nothing happens.
    If you don't pay private debt your stuff is confiscated.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
    Erwin N. Griswold

    Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
    Anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    If you don't pay your taxes (debt you DIDN'T agree to) they confiscate your stuff and/or put you in jail. If you don't pay private debt (debt you DID agree to) nothing happens.

    Why is that? Zippy? Count?
    Try not paying your car loan or mortgage. (yeah, the post is from two years ago)


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    You're not thrown in a cage at gunpoint. Public debt was never agreed upon, so has no legal or moral standing.



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