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    Why is a MOAB not a WMD?

    So I was listening to talk radio the other day with the host almost having verbal orgasms about how great the MOAB is. No discussion of whether or not this was the right policy decision mind you. One air force ordinance specialist called in to point out that the MOAB, which is detonated above ground, not only destroys everything in its path, but it sucks out the oxygen so that anything within a mile radius that somehow survives the blast (maybe deep down far enough in a cave) is killed by suffocation. So...here's my question. How is that any better than...say....dropping poison gas on someone? With poison gas at least I have the possibility of living if I have a gas mask. I suppose I could survive a MOAB if I had an oxygen tank.

    Of course we know that everything was a-okay because there was nobody at the compound but ISIS/ISIL/IS/Whatever fighters right? I mean, when these fighters are in Syria they use human shields, but apparently when they are in Afghanistan they are careful to keep all civilians outside of a mile radius of their facilities so that the U.S. can bomb with impunity without and danger of killing little kids. (Of course that unfortunate accident where the U.S. Air Force bombed a "Doctors Without Border" hospital will be conveniently forgotten.)
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    I'm waiting to read an account not approved by the MSM.....

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    Well, well...damn, shut up, commie sumbitch.

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    Well, well...damn, shut up, commie sumbitch.

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    When WE use them, they are WMF's. Weapons of Mass Freedom!

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    Why is a MOAB not a WMD?
    Obviously, a MOAB is a WMD - except when the US uses it.

    That's why it's called "American exceptionalism" ...
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    How many people had to look up MOAB? I did. I only know about Utah.
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    I'm gonna say it... Jeet Kun Do is better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    How many people had to look up MOAB? I did. I only know about Utah.
    22 thousand pounds of explosives .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So I was listening to talk radio the other day with the host almost having verbal orgasms about how great the MOAB is. No discussion of whether or not this was the right policy decision mind you. One air force ordinance specialist called in to point out that the MOAB, which is detonated above ground, not only destroys everything in its path, but it sucks out the oxygen so that anything within a mile radius that somehow survives the blast (maybe deep down far enough in a cave) is killed by suffocation. So...here's my question. How is that any better than...say....dropping poison gas on someone? With poison gas at least I have the possibility of living if I have a gas mask. I suppose I could survive a MOAB if I had an oxygen tank.

    Of course we know that everything was a-okay because there was nobody at the compound but ISIS/ISIL/IS/Whatever fighters right? I mean, when these fighters are in Syria they use human shields, but apparently when they are in Afghanistan they are careful to keep all civilians outside of a mile radius of their facilities so that the U.S. can bomb with impunity without and danger of killing little kids. (Of course that unfortunate accident where the U.S. Air Force bombed a "Doctors Without Border" hospital will be conveniently forgotten.)
    I agree that it is . However , if I am a 20 yr old FO ( forward abservor ) and have it available that would not stop me from calling it in on an enemy position . Question is really , should it be available ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    How many people had to look up MOAB? I did. I only know about Utah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    I'm gonna say it... Jeet Kun Do is better...
    Jun Fan would approve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    when the beast drops it
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    An astute observation by the OP.
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    Its afghanistan, there's not a lot there to destroy to begin with. I don't think a few terrorists and their goats count as "mass destruction"
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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    I'm gonna say it... Jeet Kun Do is better...
    It is. And so are a number of other systems. Which is why hardly any police/military use Krav that I know of. But don't tell teh jooz or teh Krav salesgeeks.
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    And they're riding Assad all day for using 'barrel bombs...

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    Why is a military campaign that is NAMED "Shock and Awe" not recognized as terrorism?
    Why is us causing the death of 500,000 kids "worth it" (per Madeline Allbright) but someone else (supposedly) gases several dozen civilians and that triggers a few dozen tomahawk missiles in "retaliation" ("quotes" because the initial attack wasn't against us at any rate)?
    Why can't certain countries have nuclear weapons "because they are crazy enough to actually use them", but they are being denied nuclear weapons by the only country that has ACTUALLY ever used them in combat?
    Why did my premiums and deductibles go up, and the quality of my healthcare went down?
    Why did all of Trump's critics suddenly go silent? (OK I mean the ones that actually have a voice, aka the media, not you guys)
    Why do muh roads cost so much freedom?
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    Because... the
    WOPR spends all its time thinking about World War III.
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    Chemical weapons are banned by international agreement? It's not just the USA making the rules. However the USA is not a signatory to the international cluster bomb ban. And yet accuse Assad in Syria of war crimes for using Barrel bombs.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Original_Intent View Post
    Why is a military campaign that is NAMED "Shock and Awe" not recognized as terrorism?
    Why is us causing the death of 500,000 kids "worth it" (per Madeline Allbright) but someone else (supposedly) gases several dozen civilians and that triggers a few dozen tomahawk missiles in "retaliation" ("quotes" because the initial attack wasn't against us at any rate)?
    Why can't certain countries have nuclear weapons "because they are crazy enough to actually use them", but they are being denied nuclear weapons by the only country that has ACTUALLY ever used them in combat?
    Why did my premiums and deductibles go up, and the quality of my healthcare went down?
    Why did all of Trump's critics suddenly go silent? (OK I mean the ones that actually have a voice, aka the media, not you guys)
    Why do muh roads cost so much freedom?
    You know...when you put it that way...my question is kinda tame.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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