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  1. #31
    All you guys talking about Satan might want to do some research before you embarrass yourself again.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    All you guys talking about Satan might want to do some research before you embarrass yourself again.
    I predicted you'd say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    The LP is about spreading the message of liberty
    Except it fails at that miserably compared to various educational foundations and think tanks such as the Mises Institute, FEE, Liberty Fund etc

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by HitoKichi View Post
    Except it fails at that miserably compared to various educational foundations and think tanks such as the Mises Institute, FEE, Liberty Fund etc
    The LP exposes libertarianism to massively more people than any of those.

    Just to illustrate where it fit into my progress -

    20-year old socialist -> Ayn Rand books -> Rush Limbaugh -> C-Span Libertarian Party Convention -> Ron Paul

    The LP is extremely valuable if nothing else because it exposes the word "libertarian" to tens of millions of people at least once every 4 years. Weather the party or its candidates still represent core libertarian principles or not, the brand and concept of libertarianism maintain currency because of the LP.

    BTW I'm not a member of the LP and wish they reflected core principles more consistently. But I think it's in the best interest of humanity that the LP be as healthy as possible. Mises, FEE etc. feed into the LP and vice versa.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    If anyone here did not see the co-opt of the party then I don't really know what to say. The sad truth is that they were ripe for the picking. If you are going to run Federal government opposition without core principles..then...Gary Johnson.
    The fundamental problem with the LP isn't the Barrs and the Johnsons, it's this guy...



    And this guy....

    If you don't know, Florida Senate candidate Augustus Sol Invictus (the only member of the Libertarian Party running to fill the seat vacated by presidential hopeful Marco Rubio) is accused of ritualistically sacrificing a goat in a pagan ceremony...There's no way this can be true. This has to slander. Nope. Invictus has given an interview to the Orlando Sentinel where he readily admits killing a goat and drinking its blood. The only part of it he refutes is suggestion it was "sadistic." Because, apparently, there is a non-sadistic way to sacrifice a goat, drain it of its blood, and then drink it: "I did sacrifice a goat. I know that's probably a quibble in the mind of most Americans. I sacrificed an animal to the god of the wilderness ... Yes, I drank the goat's blood."
    ...lifestyle libertarians, in other words.

    Ludwig von Mises would not be caught dead with any of these misfits.

    libertarian =/= libertine (or, at least, it shouldn't)
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 04-19-2017 at 04:51 PM.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The fundamental problem with the LP isn't the Barrs and the Johnsons, it's this guy...

    mods!

    Re-ban!
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by HitoKichi View Post
    Except it fails at that miserably compared to various educational foundations and think tanks such as the Mises Institute, FEE, Liberty Fund etc
    All of these various education methods have their ways towards spreading the message. The organizations the Koch brothers have a hand in tend to be the best at spread the message, but some folks don't like them. It is good for competing organizations to exist, like the organizations you named, and the LP, to reach more people.
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    mods!

    Re-ban!
    Sorry Danke, you just can't cut it in a speedo.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    LOL , pretty good Danke.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    LOL , pretty good Danke.
    Lol, speechless heathen.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    This could be fake?

    I don't use Twitter, but start here:
    https://twitter.com/LPNational
    ...all the real postings say " Libertarian Party‏ (Verified account) @LPNational"

    The post in this thread doesn't have the same format
    It's not fake. It was on the LP's official Facebook page.

    I've also seen tons of LP folks defending it as a good move.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I predicted you'd say that.
    It has been foretold that you would make that bold prediction.

    well done.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by HitoKichi View Post


    I will assume everyones moving over to the CP now?
    I would if the CP wasn't overtly Christian. I'd simply like to belong to a non-religious political party that upholds individual rights, civil rights, the Constitution and BoR, and is fiscally responsible. Period. We don't have one.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
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    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Yep. As I understand it, they did a series of tweets that demonstrated libertarian principles are found in Islam, Buddhism, etc. In fact, Sarwark says the first time the Islam and Buddhism tweets got way more blowback than the Satanic Temple one.

    Like it or not, the LP platform says this -



    As much as we might believe one or the other religion is true, the LP's mission requires it (as an organization) giving one religion no more or less political validity than any other.

    Whether the LP is doing the right thing marketing-wise is another question. But if religious conservatives voted for trump, can we really be so concerned about one tweet from the LP?

    As far as I can tell, the Satanic Temple is a spoof organization in the vein of Church of the SubGenius, Pastafarianism, Kekism, etc. If, in the course of their tongue-in-cheek shennanigans their organization sometimes forwards the work of the real Adversary, well, so do many self-identifying Christians, sometimes in the name of the Savior.
    The big issue is timing. To put this out right before Easter suggests the LP can't tell the difference between good and bad publicity or that they have their head so far up their arseholes they didn't realize this would get them bad publicity.
    Last edited by PierzStyx; 04-20-2017 at 04:14 PM.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post

    And this guy....



    ...lifestyle libertarians, in other words.

    Ludwig von Mises would not be caught dead with any of these misfits.

    libertarian =/= libertine (or, at least, it shouldn't)
    Augustus Sol Invictus (roughly translatable as "The Exalted Unconquered Sun") cannot be that guy's birth name. Guy needs to go back to his Exalted or D&D group and stay out of politics until he gets his crap together.

    That said, animal sacrifice doesn't have to be sadistic. Hang it upside down, slit its throat, let the blood drain out, and other than the sharp knife pain the animal will feel very little pain and pass out before actually dying. Dismembering it when it is alive though? That does sound sadistic.
    Last edited by PierzStyx; 04-20-2017 at 12:46 PM.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I'd simply like to belong to a non-religious political party
    Such a thing is not even theoretically possible.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    The big issue is timing. To put this out right before Easter suggests the LP can't tell the difference between good and bad publicity or that they have there head so far up their arseholes they didn't realize this would get them bad publicity.
    Totally accurate.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Such a thing is not even theoretically possible.
    How so? Not challenging you... simply like to know your thoughts
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

  24. #50
    Most of y'all still haven't figured out that organized religions are control methods? Sure, there's a lot of good life lessons in, for example, the NT, but they still are devised control methods handed down over thousands of years. The names are changed periodically but the stories are the same and propagated with the same general purpose.

    I know I'm stirring the pot a bit but what has been seen can not be unseen. The Statue of Liberty is a depiction of the goddess Isis, given to the US by french freemasons. Her torch (yes, Rand's campaign logo...and Ted's...and a myriad of others) represents the light of Lucifer, aka the knowledge of good and evil.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    How so? Not challenging you... simply like to know your thoughts
    Because political parties have agendas. And all agendas are ultimately rooted in religious values.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    How so? Not challenging you... simply like to know your thoughts
    Because politics and religion are both belief systems.

    i.e.
    I believe in God, you don't.
    You believe in strong federal government, I don't.
    etc.

    That's why it is never a good idea to discuss politics or religion with people you love. Nothing you can say will change what someone believes, nor can they change yours. You can provide food for thought, but change must be approached on one's own terms.

    No amount of iron-clad argument will budge a belief.
    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 04-20-2017 at 02:21 PM.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I'm a Christian, and I think it is about time we stop using the term "libertarian" because it has been taken over by people who have a lot of power and very little idea about liberty.

    What's the new term?
    "Individual Liberty". Depending on the context of a discussion I had stopped using the term libertarian since it was too closely associated with a party of $#@!s.

    After seeing this I believe that party and the term needs to die off. They are damaging to the ideals of achieving any form individual liberty in my lifetime in the US.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    This seems aligned with that I thought the LP was about. The LP is about spreading the message of liberty, not getting elected. This created news/social media buzz. People are talking about the LP. Some of those people are learning about liberty. Seems like a win for the LP.
    .
    Yeah, it's not.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Because political parties have agendas. And all agendas are ultimately rooted in religious values.
    Yeah. Profit and power *NEVER* have any bearing. It's just religion. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I would if the CP wasn't overtly Christian. I'd simply like to belong to a non-religious political party that upholds individual rights, civil rights, the Constitution and BoR, and is fiscally responsible. Period. We don't have one.
    Ideally, CP and LP should merge and focus on the 99% of basic principles they have in common. Short of that they should try this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...rian-Coalition
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  33. #58
    A third party that takes a strong stance on the culture war is going to have trouble carving out a space for itself.

    People who care most about culture war issues already have the Dems/GOP to represent them - no reason for them to join a third party.

    ...the Dems/GOP are really all about the culture war, since they're more or less identical on the important issues.

    What people don't have is a viable party advocating for the market economy, a rational foreign policy, and the Bill of Rights.

    ...this was Ron's appeal (he's a social conservative at a personal level, but didn't run on culture war issues one way or another)

    If the LP or CP want to grow, they should drop their pandering to SJWs/ChristianCons, resp., and focus their energies elsewhere.

    To the Poet's point, let them merge and rebrand themselves the Classical Liberty Party or Market Liberal Party or something like that.
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 04-20-2017 at 11:29 PM.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    All you guys talking about Satan might want to do some research before you embarrass yourself again.
    Would you care to enlighten me or do I have to wait for Lucifer?
    No one here wanted to be the Billionaire.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...this was Ron's appeal (he's a social conservative at a personal level, but didn't run on culture war issues one way or another)
    So beautifully true. He was (and is) for liberty for everybody. Period.

    Still, he was overtly a social conservative and many libertarians just couldn't accept that a social conservative wouldn't want to impose their views on everybody.

    In fact, I'd go so far as to say Ron Paul's example made me comfortable for the first time in my life being a social conservative. While I harbored many of those values (especially pro-life), the broad landscape of social conservatism always struck me as objectionable because of its ill-will for other worldviews.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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