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    Dodge Demon!

    It’s Here! EVERY Detail On The 9-Second Dodge SRT Demon!

    http://www.hotrod.com/articles/every...dge-srt-demon/

    After much secrecy and intrigue the 2018 Dodge SRT Demon is finally unwrapped for all to see. We first picked up the scent in 2014, when rumors of an all-out drag car called “ADR” surfaced. Then in January 2017, we got confirmation that something was afoot. The Dodge PR machine began leaking weekly teasers of a strange and wonderful new performance car called Demon. Animated short videos on Dodge’s IfYouKnowYouKnow.com website gave clues into the car’s purpose and capability, with increasing specificity as the car’s official debut loomed. We quickly learned that the Dodge Demon would be unlike any car ever produced. It would be more powerful, faster, and possessed of a unique skillset that made it the most capable quarter-mile production car ever.



    Incredibly, in stock trim the SRT8 Demon can pull both wheels off the ground at launch. That fact alone is so cool, Dodge invited the Guinness Book Of World Records to document the feat as the first factory car ever to do a wheelie. (A length of 2.92 feet in fact.) In the process, the Demon generates 1.8g of acceleration, another record for a production car. At the same test session, Dodge engineers went for yet another record: fastest production car in a quarter mile. With the Demon’s optional race fuel programming (for 100-plus octane unleaded fuel) and optional lightweight front racing wheels, it runs the quarter mile in 9.650 seconds at over 140 mph. Even with all four of its standard Nitto NT05R 315/40R18 drag radials bolted up, the Demon is good for 9.90s at over 130 mph. This kind of performance from a street-legal vehicle was unthinkable a year ago, let alone back in the ’60s. The Demon is so quick, at the same test session the NHRA banned it from competition for infractions of Section 4 in the rule book.

    Fortunately, the Demon is not banned for use on the street. All of the Demon’s 808 HP and 717 lb-ft of torque is legal in all 50 states. There will be plenty of them to go around too (production begins late this summer) as Dodge will be building 3,000 of them for the United States and 300 for Canada. Dodge states the Demon’s 0-60mph performance as 2.3 seconds, which at first looks like a misprint, until you realize the kind of acceleration you need to pull off high nines in street dress. Sounds about right—just make sure you eat your Wheaties in the morning so you don’t pass out from the g force!

    Under The Hood
    There’s a ton of hardcore engineering that went into the Demon to get those numbers, much of it under the hood. A new Air-Grabber induction system includes the largest functional hood scoop (45.2 square inches) of any production car ever. The Air-Grabber hood is sealed to the air box, which is also fed from the driver-side Air-Catcher headlamp and an inlet near the wheel liner. Combined, those sources give the Demon’s 6.2L V8 Hemi an air-flow rate of 1,150 cubic feet per minute, or 18 percent greater than the Hellcat.

    A larger 2.7-liter supercharger moves more air, thanks to an increase in boost pressure to 14.5 psi (up from the Hellcat’s 11.6 psi). Max engine speed is also raised from 6,200 (in the Hellcat) to 6,500 rpm. Improving on the Hellcat is a first-ever production car Power Chiller liquid-to-air intercooler chiller system and After-Run Chiller that keeps cooling the supercharger after the engine is shut off. Buyers who opt for the Demon Crate (more on this later) get a specially tuned PCM allowing the Demon to run on 100-plus high-octane unleaded fuel or 91 octane on demand. Power surges to 840 HP and 770 lb-ft on the race tune and Demon now comes with two dual-stage fuel pumps to support that. In addition, the Demon’s Hemi includes a high-speed valvetrain, strengthened connecting rods and pistons, and an improved lubrication system. The upgrades enable the engine to sustain higher output and pressures while meeting stringent durability requirements. We’re told that the Demon Hemi only retains about 50 percent of the Hellcat’s internals, but if past experience is any indication, most of these changes would be minor tweaks (stuff like larger injectors), not huge departures from existing engineering or architecture.

    3, 2, 1… Launch!
    Getting the Demon to launch hard, launch reliably, and launch consistently time after time, a whole new bag of tricks was employed. For the first time ever (you better get used to that phrase) Dodge turned to age-old racer technology and built a trans brake right into the beefcake TorqueFlight 8HP90 eight-speed automatic—the only trans available in the Demon. Internal changes to the trans include an upgraded torque converter that delivers an 18 percent increase in torque multiplication. Also, the stall speed is increased 11 percent and the lockup speed is increased. The trans brake—recast in corporate-speak as TransBrake—locks the transmission output shaft to hold the car in place before a standing start. It does this by engaging clutches A, B, and C while delivering power to clutches D and E when the trans is in First gear. Locking these clutch sets together lets the driver increase engine speed up to 2,350 rpm without overpowering the brakes, resulting in quicker power delivery and up to 15 percent more torque at launch. Steering wheel paddle shifters trigger the trans brake, improving reaction time by 30 percent compared to a foot-brake launch. The system enables delivery of initial torque to the flywheel as soon as 20 milliseconds after launch.

    In concert with the trans brake, the Demon’s Drag Mode Launch Assist uses wheel speed sensors to watch for driveline-damaging wheel hop at launch and in milliseconds modifies the engine torque to regain full grip and then continue accelerating the car down the track. If you look at accompanying video footage of the Demon launching, you can visibly see where the PCM reins in wheelspin—a nifty trick that will produce faster e.t.s and may even save the car from heading toward the wall.

    Equally nifty is something Dodge calls Torque Reserve. This acts like an electronic boost controller in a turbo car and becomes active once engine speed passes 950 rpm. The old trick in a footbraked turbo Grand National was to pump up the brake on the line and build as much boost as you could before launching. In the Demon, Torque Reserve closes the bypass valve, prefilling the supercharger with boost, while the PCM manages fuel flow to cylinders and manages spark advance or retard to balance engine rpm and torque.

    With the trans brake and Torque Reserve active, the SRT Demon has more than 8 psi of boost at launch and up to 120 percent more engine torque than without Torque Reserve. The trans brake also preloads the driveline with torque, leading to full engine torque delivery at the rear wheels 150 milliseconds after the shift paddle is released. That results in faster acceleration at launch, faster 60-foot times, and an improvement of more than a tenth of a second in quarter-mile times, which computes to an entire car length at the finish line.


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  3. #2
    I thought this was a game like dodge ball.
    ...

  4. #3
    Ya but how much?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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  5. #4
    Boy I am happy to see this:

    First-Ever Factory Drag Radials

    All this powertrain upgrading is done for one mission: to put power to the ground. Making that happen is the job of Nitto’s 315/40R18 NT-05R Drag Radials—the first drag radials of any description to be put on a factory street-legal machine. The Nittos are mounted on lightweight 11×18-inch “Hole Shot” wheels which look absolutely bitchin. The NT-05R is a tire we are quite familiar with, and although this particular size is unique to the Demon, we expect its performance to be top-shelf. Dodge aggressively moved to a taller sidewall and a wider track on the Demon (the Hellcat was 275/40R20). This was done to gain more adhesion and better sidewall compliance, and combined with Nitto’s take-no-prisoners compound, provide more than twice the grip of the Hellcat.

    I am fair sick of the ghetto rim craze, with new luxury cars made to look like this:


  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Ya but how much?
    FCA wasn’t ready to discuss pricing at New York, but execs hinted at a price "well below six figures", which could mean somewhere in the $80,000 to $90,000 range.

    https://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the...at/2100004084/

    Which means you can get Bugatti style straight line performance for less than a tenth of what a Chiron or Veyron would cost.

  7. #6
    MOOOOAR PICS PLS
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  8. #7
    A 1971 Dodge Demon 340 GSS... check out the vinyl top.


    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

  9. #8
    Glad someone is finally Making America Great Again.
    Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
    Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
    Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    MOOOOAR PICS PLS

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    Doesn't even need mods.

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Doesn't even need mods.
    Nope...and if you buy the "Demon" box, you'll get the race 'puter, the skinny front drag tires and rims, tools and bunch of other goodies.

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    MOOOOAR PICS PLS





  15. #13
    Flying car? (noticing front wheels off the ground)


  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Flying car? (noticing front wheels off the ground)

    First line in the OP:

    Incredibly, in stock trim the SRT8 Demon can pull both wheels off the ground at launch. That fact alone is so cool, Dodge invited the Guinness Book Of World Records to document the feat as the first factory car ever to do a wheelie.
    There's an even better pic at the website, with both of the skinny drag tires about a foot off the ground.

  17. #15
    I hate it when killjoys are right...

    Caged Demon

    http://ericpetersautos.com/2017/04/13/caged-demon/

    By eric - April 13, 2017

    Pity the starving man who gets to smell fresh bread – but never gets to taste it.

    Dodge wafted some fresh-baked smells our way the other day. The Challenger SRT Demon was revealed to the press at the New York Auto Show.

    840 hp. A pair of dragster skinny tires in the trunk.

    Just the one seat – unless you order another for the passenger.

    No AC.

    A yuuuuge carbon footprint. It makes the sound that makes the entire Persian Gulf stand up and cheer. Al Gore frowns.

    It’s startling that the entire display wasn’t SWATTED.

    There is a weird incongruity between what is legal to sell – for the moment – and what you can legally use.

    Like our starving man who smells fresh bread baking, you are still allowed to buy a car like this.

    But use it at your peril.

    And what sort of car are we talking about?

    It is a car with twice the power of a new Corvette – which has twice the power of a typical V6 family car like a Toyota Camry. And the Camry can get to 60 MPH in about six seconds and has a top speed around 140 MPH – better performance than most classic ’60-era V8 muscle cars. The Corvette is considerably quicker – and much faster. Under four seconds to 60 and about 180 on top.

    Now imagine twice the power of the Corvette.

    Enter the Demon.

    Its supercharged 6.2 liter Hemi V8 is not far shy of four digit horsepower output – and its 0-60 capability (2.3 seconds) makes the Corvette seem . . . almost Camry-like.

    There is nothing short of a Nextel Cup stock car or a Bugatti Veyron that can match its moves.

    But what if you make those moves?

    Hut! hut! hut!

    I wrote the other day about the fate of a guy named Christopher Garza, who dared to use the power of his Challenger Hellcat. Which, pre-Demon, was the most powerful car you could buy short of a Bugatti Veyron and not quite as strong as a Nextel Cup stocker. Still, with 707 hp under its hood, 150-plus MPH is as effortless for the Hellcat as it is for Lance Armstrong to out-pedal Stephen Hawking up a hill.

    Garza made the mistake of using his Hellcat – and did get SWATTED.

    Cars are more gloriously priapic than they have ever been. Best keep it in your pants, though. Much as the strain hurts. The incongruity is bad; the frustration much worse.

    People used to make fun of bodybuilders for flexing muscles they never used for anything . . . except flexing. Well, how now brown cow? You will be caged in most states for driving much over 80 MPH.

    Over 100 and you’d Better Call Saul.

    I have a feeling we’re still allowed to buy cars like the Demon – and for that matter, V6 Camrys – because it’s a way, one of the few remaining, for people to feel empowered without actually having any real power.

    Notice, as a parallel, the way trucks have become monstrous in size, all bulgy and codpiece-like. You need a ladder to get at the bed – and these are thoughtfully built into the tailgates of several of them.

    They are frequently driven by guys with carefully coiffed scruffy facial hair (another harmless-to-the-state way to puff masculinity without any threat of male disobedience) to and from their cub farm jobs, where they very carefully toe all lines and make no waves and sit politely through Gender Awareness seminars and piss in a cup every six months, to assure their fief overlord that they aren’t partaking of illegal dope.

    But at the end of the day, they climb into their jake-braked 4×4 codpiece and – briefly – feel like men.

    So, also, the Demon.

    We’re allowed to get the government’s permission to put plates on it. To turn the key, blip the throttle menacingly at MILFs in minivans. We may put on mirrored glasses and are permitted to pose in traffic.

    But it’s all for show – and not much go.

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Nope...and if you buy the "Demon" box, you'll get the race 'puter, the skinny front drag tires and rims, tools and bunch of other goodies.
    I used to dragrace so that would be like crack to me..as if I could ever afford it.



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    First line in the OP:



    There's an even better pic at the website, with both of the skinny drag tires about a foot off the ground.
    A foot might be a bit of an exaggeration but cool none the less. Funny I only need about 40 rwhp to pop a wheelie on a bike.


  21. #18
    yes me too. the only thing i hate worse than new cars with these stupid wheels, is OLD cars rebuilt to perfection and then have these stupid 18" plus wheels on them. ive seen them on old mustangs, cheveles, cudas, even old f100 pickups. and every single time, it ruins the rest of the car. im redoing my 70 ford maverick and im only going 15" magnum 500 wheels. the ONLY reason im going 1" taller is so that i can have disc brakes. having a 425 hp/450tq 347cid needs something besides drum brakes espacially with it being an automatic. stopping it and holding at a light would be hell lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Boy I am happy to see this:

    First-Ever Factory Drag Radials

    All this powertrain upgrading is done for one mission: to put power to the ground. Making that happen is the job of Nitto’s 315/40R18 NT-05R Drag Radials—the first drag radials of any description to be put on a factory street-legal machine. The Nittos are mounted on lightweight 11×18-inch “Hole Shot” wheels which look absolutely bitchin. The NT-05R is a tire we are quite familiar with, and although this particular size is unique to the Demon, we expect its performance to be top-shelf. Dodge aggressively moved to a taller sidewall and a wider track on the Demon (the Hellcat was 275/40R20). This was done to gain more adhesion and better sidewall compliance, and combined with Nitto’s take-no-prisoners compound, provide more than twice the grip of the Hellcat.

    I am fair sick of the ghetto rim craze, with new luxury cars made to look like this:


  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I hate it when killjoys are right...

    Caged Demon

    http://ericpetersautos.com/2017/04/13/caged-demon/

    By eric - April 13, 2017

    Pity the starving man who gets to smell fresh bread – but never gets to taste it.

    Dodge wafted some fresh-baked smells our way the other day. The Challenger SRT Demon was revealed to the press at the New York Auto Show.

    840 hp. A pair of dragster skinny tires in the trunk.

    Just the one seat – unless you order another for the passenger.

    No AC.

    A yuuuuge carbon footprint. It makes the sound that makes the entire Persian Gulf stand up and cheer. Al Gore frowns.

    It’s startling that the entire display wasn’t SWATTED.

    There is a weird incongruity between what is legal to sell – for the moment – and what you can legally use.

    Like our starving man who smells fresh bread baking, you are still allowed to buy a car like this.

    But use it at your peril.

    And what sort of car are we talking about?

    It is a car with twice the power of a new Corvette – which has twice the power of a typical V6 family car like a Toyota Camry. And the Camry can get to 60 MPH in about six seconds and has a top speed around 140 MPH – better performance than most classic ’60-era V8 muscle cars. The Corvette is considerably quicker – and much faster. Under four seconds to 60 and about 180 on top.

    Now imagine twice the power of the Corvette.

    Enter the Demon.

    Its supercharged 6.2 liter Hemi V8 is not far shy of four digit horsepower output – and its 0-60 capability (2.3 seconds) makes the Corvette seem . . . almost Camry-like.

    There is nothing short of a Nextel Cup stock car or a Bugatti Veyron that can match its moves.

    But what if you make those moves?

    Hut! hut! hut!

    I wrote the other day about the fate of a guy named Christopher Garza, who dared to use the power of his Challenger Hellcat. Which, pre-Demon, was the most powerful car you could buy short of a Bugatti Veyron and not quite as strong as a Nextel Cup stocker. Still, with 707 hp under its hood, 150-plus MPH is as effortless for the Hellcat as it is for Lance Armstrong to out-pedal Stephen Hawking up a hill.

    Garza made the mistake of using his Hellcat – and did get SWATTED.

    Cars are more gloriously priapic than they have ever been. Best keep it in your pants, though. Much as the strain hurts. The incongruity is bad; the frustration much worse.

    People used to make fun of bodybuilders for flexing muscles they never used for anything . . . except flexing. Well, how now brown cow? You will be caged in most states for driving much over 80 MPH.

    Over 100 and you’d Better Call Saul.

    I have a feeling we’re still allowed to buy cars like the Demon – and for that matter, V6 Camrys – because it’s a way, one of the few remaining, for people to feel empowered without actually having any real power.

    Notice, as a parallel, the way trucks have become monstrous in size, all bulgy and codpiece-like. You need a ladder to get at the bed – and these are thoughtfully built into the tailgates of several of them.

    They are frequently driven by guys with carefully coiffed scruffy facial hair (another harmless-to-the-state way to puff masculinity without any threat of male disobedience) to and from their cub farm jobs, where they very carefully toe all lines and make no waves and sit politely through Gender Awareness seminars and piss in a cup every six months, to assure their fief overlord that they aren’t partaking of illegal dope.

    But at the end of the day, they climb into their jake-braked 4×4 codpiece and – briefly – feel like men.

    So, also, the Demon.

    We’re allowed to get the government’s permission to put plates on it. To turn the key, blip the throttle menacingly at MILFs in minivans. We may put on mirrored glasses and are permitted to pose in traffic.

    But it’s all for show – and not much go.
    For real. I know a couple winding roads, stretches of highway and other spots where you can let loose. Easily top 120 or take curves at 60. But in a few minutes, you have to wind it down and get back in line and putz around like everyone else.
    Sad.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by afwjam View Post
    A foot might be a bit of an exaggeration but cool none the less. Funny I only need about 40 rwhp to pop a wheelie on a bike.

    There was another one with it up even higher.

    Maybe it was a funny car now that I think about it...

    Well sure you do, bike and rider combined don't weigh 2 tons.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There was another one with it up even higher.

    Maybe it was a funny car now that I think about it...

    Well sure you do, bike and rider combined don't weigh 2 tons.
    Put that motor in the middle or the back of that thing and I bet it would flip backwards in a heartbeat.
    "The Patriarch"

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  26. #23
    And here come the nanny-staters....


    Automotive News says the Dodge Demon should be banned

    http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/04/...be-banned.html

    Trade publication Automotive News has called for the new Dodge Challenger SRT Demon to be banned in a scathing editorial regarding the muscle car titled “Keep the Dodge Demon off our roads.”

    The outlet called the 808 hp Demon “inherently dangerous to the common safety of motorists,” even while admitting there are other “more powerful, and even faster vehicles available from other automakers that are rightly street legal.”

    The Demon was designed to be the quickest car in the world, and it has several drag racing-style features never before offered on a factory production car, including a transmission brake and a standard set of drag radials, which have the minimum amount of tread to be approved for street use by the DOT.

    The car only ships with a driver’s seat and can run on 100 octane race gas with a factory upgrade that comes with a warranty and bumps its power up to 840 hp. The Demon’s quarter-mile performance of 9.65 seconds at 140 mph means that it requires a roll cage to be used on a drag strip if its owner actually plans to drive it that quickly.

    The editorial says that the Demon is “the result of a sequence of misguided corporate choices that places bragging rights ahead of public safety,” and that it “spits” on the industry’s goal of improving safety while “knowingly placing motorists in danger.” It goes on to quote Ralph Nader and proclaim the Demon “unsafe at any speed.”

    Dodge has not commented on the editorial.

    The accusations are made despite the fact that no one on the staff of Automotive News has yet driven the car, and the piece doesn't mention Dodge’s assertion that the Demon isn’t just a drag racer. Its braking and roadholding capabilities are far superior to most cars on the road today, according to Dodge brand boss Tim Kuniskis, who says that it has the ability to pull a supercar-like 1.00 g on the skidpad and come to a stop from 60 mph in less than 100 feet, a feat that very few cars in the world can achieve.

    (Update: Automotive News' enthusiast-focused sister publication, Autoweek, has published its own editorial saying that it expects the Demon to be "plenty safe when used responsibly.")

    The Demon is based on the 707 hp Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat, which was expected to be a low volume, limited edition niche vehicle, but turned out to be a surprise hit for the brand. Dodge has been selling more than twice as many as it expected to when it put it on sale in 2015, and has since expanded the availability of the Hellcat engine to the Charger sedan and upcoming Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk.

    The Demon will only be offered for the 2018 model year. Just 3,000 are planned to be built for the U.S. market, with an additional 300 slated for Canada.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    And here come the nanny-staters....


    Automotive News says the Dodge Demon should be banned

    http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/04/...be-banned.html

    Trade publication Automotive News has called for the new Dodge Challenger SRT Demon to be banned in a scathing editorial regarding the muscle car titled “Keep the Dodge Demon off our roads.”

    The outlet called the 808 hp Demon “inherently dangerous to the common safety of motorists,” even while admitting there are other “more powerful, and even faster vehicles available from other automakers that are rightly street legal.”

    The Demon was designed to be the quickest car in the world, and it has several drag racing-style features never before offered on a factory production car, including a transmission brake and a standard set of drag radials, which have the minimum amount of tread to be approved for street use by the DOT.

    The car only ships with a driver’s seat and can run on 100 octane race gas with a factory upgrade that comes with a warranty and bumps its power up to 840 hp. The Demon’s quarter-mile performance of 9.65 seconds at 140 mph means that it requires a roll cage to be used on a drag strip if its owner actually plans to drive it that quickly.

    The editorial says that the Demon is “the result of a sequence of misguided corporate choices that places bragging rights ahead of public safety,” and that it “spits” on the industry’s goal of improving safety while “knowingly placing motorists in danger.” It goes on to quote Ralph Nader and proclaim the Demon “unsafe at any speed.”

    Dodge has not commented on the editorial.

    The accusations are made despite the fact that no one on the staff of Automotive News has yet driven the car, and the piece doesn't mention Dodge’s assertion that the Demon isn’t just a drag racer. Its braking and roadholding capabilities are far superior to most cars on the road today, according to Dodge brand boss Tim Kuniskis, who says that it has the ability to pull a supercar-like 1.00 g on the skidpad and come to a stop from 60 mph in less than 100 feet, a feat that very few cars in the world can achieve.

    (Update: Automotive News' enthusiast-focused sister publication, Autoweek, has published its own editorial saying that it expects the Demon to be "plenty safe when used responsibly.")

    The Demon is based on the 707 hp Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat, which was expected to be a low volume, limited edition niche vehicle, but turned out to be a surprise hit for the brand. Dodge has been selling more than twice as many as it expected to when it put it on sale in 2015, and has since expanded the availability of the Hellcat engine to the Charger sedan and upcoming Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk.

    The Demon will only be offered for the 2018 model year. Just 3,000 are planned to be built for the U.S. market, with an additional 300 slated for Canada.
    $#@!ing clovers.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    $#@!ing clovers.
    I'm sure they would be just fine with restricting it to only being sold to police officers.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    $#@!ing clovers.
    $#@! these $#@!s that are afraid of a $#@!ing machine. That they haven't even driven. And there are more powerful cars already on the road. $#@!ing clovers

  31. #27
    I'd say they were in favor of self driving vehicles as well, but they were bleating about safety as well.

    Once the bugs are ironed out, I'm sure they will be falling all over themselves to promote these:



    Safe, sane, monitored, tracked, regulated, "green" and always under the watchful eyes of the surveillance grid.

    And they even come with adorable side panel murals of "diversity", birdies and fluffy bunnys.

    Bet you even get a free pacifier to suck on to calm your nerves while it drives you the Soylent Green Ecology Termination facility.

    Christ $#@!ing help us...

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I'm sure they would be just fine with restricting it to only being sold to police officers.
    Trained to be excellent drivers under the most extreme and adverse condition.


  33. #29
    Is Slower “Safer”?

    https://ericpetersautos.com/2017/04/...comment-662560

    By eric April 27, 2017

    The mantra is that Slow is Safe. But Slow is often also oblivious – and sloppy.

    Which tends to be dangerous, the opposite of safe.

    The priests – and priestesses, more often – of The Safety Cult have not noticed.

    The other day, I rolled up behind a car descending a mountain pass. The speed limit is 55 – the car was moping along at about 38 MPH. No, moping isn’t exactly the right word. It was randomly sashaying left then right, onto the shoulder – then across the double yellow.

    But well below the The Speed Limit.

    By Clover Standards, the person behind the wheel was thus, ipso facto, a Safe Driver.

    Exceeding The Speed Limit is a kind of original sin within the Safety Cult. It must be obeyed, rigidly and reflexively. But otherwise? Not to worry!

    Drivers like this one are largely immune from cops and tickets.

    Certainly from a drunk driving ticket.

    Just as some animals are more equal than others, some forms of impairment are regarded as less objectionable than others – by the law, at least.

    Worst case, this Clover – and all the countless other Clovers just like him – might get pulled over and be issued a ticket for . . . something.

    Failure to maintain control, crossing the double yellow. But nothing serious. Not on par with a drunk driving ticket. Which by the way, you don’t get a ticket for.

    You get taken to jail.

    Then you go to court – where you face consequences that go beyond the merely financial.

    Even if you didn’t cross the double yellow or drive all over the shoulder. Indeed, your driving can be faultless and you will still go to jail simply because a certain arbitrary amount of alcohol was detected in your bloodstream via a breath test. The fact that you were in control of your car – assuming you were – cuts no ice.

    At all.

    But this Clover can wander without worry. Three thousand-ish pounds of steel and glass sloshing around the road but hey, he isn’t drunk.

    Lord help any pedestrians or bicyclists who might happen to be occupying the shoulder at the same time as the sober Clover. Or any cars coming up the mountain, in the opposite lane – when a fourth to a third of Clover’s car is across the double yellow in a blind curve.

    In the event of a wreck – even if some innocent person is killed as a result – it is probable that it will be treated as an “accident” – you know, like a tree falling over on your house during a thunderstorm, something over which you had no control. The Wandering Clover will rarely be dealt with as severely as a person who did the same thing but whose impairment was caused by alcohol.

    On the other hand, maybe this Clover was just sleepy.

    Driving at slow speeds will do that – especially if you have a long way to drive. There is not much to do as far as driving. You’re pretty much just sitting there. Especially in a modern car – at yesterday’s speed limits.

    It is 2017 – but speed limits are pretty much what they were in 1970. Back then, 70 felt like 70. Today it feels like 50. But speed limits haven’t adjusted upward to take into account that even if drivers are no better today than they were in 1970, the cars are.

    A 2017 model year anything at 70 is like a 1970 model at 50.


    One tends to get . . . bored.

    So people tend to do other things. They text. They look around at the pretty scenery. They tap the apps. And wander all over.

    Arguably, driving faster is safer. Because when you’re driving fast, you have to pay attention. You can’t Zone Out or text or fiddle with the touchscreen and tap the apps.

    Not for very long, anyhow.

    Driving – safe driving – ought to be an active and challenging thing. Not a passive and narcoleptic thing.

    But fast driving affronts The Cult, no matter how safely done. It’s a crazy thing. A fast driver who drives expertly ought to be praised and admired rather than excoriated and abused. But then, we are viewing things from the wrong perspective.

    What’s desired is not competence nor independence of any kind. Alertness being a function of both things; our brains constantly engaged, assimilating data and taking action. As in school, as everywhere else, that is not desired.

    What is desired is passivity and torpor. The somnolence and stupefaction of a cow standing in a field, flies alighting on its eyes – the cow too indifferent to even blink.

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    I used to dragrace so that would be like crack to me..as if I could ever afford it.
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