Didn't Mr. Paul just waste his time in government?

[jllundqu]

No,

There is no liberty country anywhere. You can't demonstrate one. For the least leftwing parties have proven some success, with center polices.

The only people who are being trolls are those who can't demonstrate this, there is only one Libertarian in the congress, a former republican party member.

In the UK, If many Labour politicians or hell even some Conservatives who said we will end the National Health service, they would not win their seats.

I certainly could never go private health care. But if the NHS was dismantled, it would just be bad. A society with no security, and people fall in difficult or uncertain times, it would be just bad. Look at America, I mean its really awful in some places, those here I'm sure would rather not go on about.

Yeah I guess the doctors are as generous as Mr Paul.

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” – Samuel Adams.

“Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!” - Patrick Henry.

“Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it.” – John Adams.

You have no friggin clue what you are saying because you were handed wealth, prosperity, and freedom on a silver platter by BETTER MEN than yourself. Let your socialist utopia come to fruition, as has been tried countless times throughout history, and watch you end up in chains or under the dirt. No, sir, when the government comes for YOU, you may not be so supportive of the state.

[Republicanguy]

The problem with those quotes is that, that is over two centuries ago.

A lot wasn't known about people, or knowledge of life. We know better now. Yes people aren't angels.

The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

[Anti Federalist]

The problem with those quotes is that, that is over two centuries ago.

A lot wasn't known about people, or knowledge of life. We know better now. Yes people aren't angels.

The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

Debt incurred by following policies people like you advocate.

[jllundqu]

The problem with those quotes is that, that is over two centuries ago.

A lot wasn't known about people, or knowledge of life. We know better now. Yes people aren't angels.

The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

"We know better now" ?? What kind of argument is that? You think people have changed so much in 200 years that oligarchs wouldn't hesitate to enslave or kill you if they could?

A simple exercise: Where do your rights come from? (This should be interesting)

[Krugminator2]

No,

There is no liberty country anywhere. You can't demonstrate one. For the least leftwing parties have proven some success, with center polices.

The only people who are being trolls are those who can't demonstrate this, there is only one Libertarian in the congress, a former republican party member.

In the UK, If many Labour politicians or hell even some Conservatives who said we will end the National Health service, they would not win their seats.

I certainly could never go private health care. But if the NHS was dismantled, it would just be bad. A society with no security, and people fall in difficult or uncertain times, it would be just bad. Look at America, I mean its really awful in some places, those here I'm sure would rather not go on about.

Yeah I guess the doctors are as generous as Mr Paul.

Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, New Zealand are all pretty far on the libertarian spectrum. They aren't perfect but good enough. The US for the first 120 years of the country was close enough to a libertarian ideal for me.

The fact that you are a proud mooch absolutely disgusts me. It is one thing if someone needs a helping hand while they are struggling to be successful, it is altogether another thing to feel entitled to the effort of others. I am not exactly a hardcore libertarian, but I would have no problem letting you starve to death.

[PaulConventionWV]

Did Dr. Paul waste his time?

Maybe, who knows. It's hard to measure the impact of social movements. Either way, though, I'm not worried about it. I still loved Dr. Paul's message whether it was objectively a waste of time for the world is a moot point. Was it a waste of time for you? If so, then feel free to keep wasting your time talking about it.

But hey, I'll give credit where credit's due. The question is not in and of itself an absurdity. Dr. Paul certainly didn't know what the outcome of this would be when he started, so we certainly can't fault him, and if it was a waste of time, at least it was an effort in the right direction. If we all made some kind of effort, starting with ourselves, we have no idea how much better we could make the world. That's because we don't do it.

[IBleedNavyAndOrange]

The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

19,000,000,000,000? I'm not sure why that's a big deal? Do you understand what it means? Could you explain it?

I noticed you wrote "nineteen trillion" but didn't say what of? Dollars? What's that? Is there an actual value to it or is it some legally undefined abstract with no inherent value? Conjured from nothing, loaned at interest and impossible to pay off? That "nineteen trillion?"

19,000,000,000,000 federal reserve notes? I think that's what you wanted to write.

If you don't understand what it all means, there was a guy that wrote a book titled "End the Fed" that was a good read.

(Sorry for feeding the troll)

[Republicanguy]

Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, New Zealand are all pretty far on the libertarian spectrum. They aren't perfect but good enough. The US for the first 120 years of the country was close enough to a libertarian ideal for me.

The fact that you are a proud mooch absolutely disgusts me. It is one thing if someone needs a helping hand while they are struggling to be successful, it is altogether another thing to feel entitled to the effort of others. I am not exactly a hardcore libertarian, but I would have no problem letting you starve to death.

It is your inhumanity you should be disappointed in. Having a dog eat dog world isn't the answer to the future of interconnectedness.

[Chester Copperpot]

what a douchebag

[Dr.3D]

I just think the whole liberty view is a cult. I think people are deluded.

Nobody has gotten into local government. Until then, I think like Communism, libertarianism is the same, just opposite. The Russians won't vote in Communists. Then again, they don't really have fair free elections.

As if with our controlled media, we have fair free elections?

-Rep

[tod evans]

It is your inhumanity you should be disappointed in. Having a dog eat dog world isn't the answer to the future of interconnectedness.

Why would you desire "interconnectedness"?

Other than to try and take something you haven't earned.....

[Dr.3D]

Why would you desire "interconnectedness"?

Other than to try and take something you haven't earned.....

Yep, charity at gunpoint isn't really charity.

[Republicanguy]

What people here are supporting is a free for all madness. A society with little government won't work. Government has done good and bad throughout history.

California was run by a millionaire governor who refused to tax the wealthy, and then the state went bankrupt as there was no money, where is the logic there?

There needs to be welfare, healthcare. Living in a society with just earn earn, and only earn will only be misery. Society must have a structure in place. It can't be me, me ,me only because you have earned it.

I couldn't afford an operation alone if I were on £10,000 a year wage or less or on the welfare or both. You are advocating the destruction of people's lives only because history has shown that reality was unfair, and it was especially without technology, and medical science.

I hope Mr Corbyn gets an opportunity to try and so something.

[pcosmar]

What people here are supporting is a free for all madness. A society with little government won't work. Government has done good and bad throughout history.

Republicanguy is off the scale

and that is putting it nicely.

This country prospered,, and the people prospered when there was little government.

and has declined as More Government and more Socialist programs are instituted.

Less is better.

[Dr.3D]

and that is putting it nicely.

This country prospered,, and the people prospered when there was little government.

and has declined as More Government and more Socialist programs are instituted.

Less is better.

Yes, it's called freedom. The More Government, the more laws and with each law we lose a little more freedom.

[Occam's Banana]

There needs to be welfare, healthcare. Living in a society with just earn earn, and only earn will only be misery. Society must have a structure in place. It can't be me, me ,me only because you have earned it.

First, you bitch and whine about people you say are all, like, "me, me, me" ...

I couldn't afford an operation alone if I were on £10,000 a year wage or less or on the welfare or both [...]

... and then you're all, like, "me, me, me" ...



Hypocrite.

[Krugminator2]

What people here are supporting is a free for all madness. A society with little government won't work. Government has done good and bad throughout history.

California was run by a millionaire governor who refused to tax the wealthy, and then the state went bankrupt as there was no money, where is the logic there?

There needs to be welfare, healthcare. Living in a society with just earn earn, and only earn will only be misery. Society must have a structure in place. It can't be me, me ,me only because you have earned it.

I couldn't afford an operation alone if I were on £10,000 a year wage or less or on the welfare or both. You are advocating the destruction of people's lives only because history has shown that reality was unfair, and it was especially without technology, and medical science.

I hope Mr Corbyn gets an opportunity to try and so something.

Schwarzenegger raised taxes. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb...al/me-arnold23 "Schwarzenegger defends tax hikes, applauds stimulus

California didn't go bankrupt. California's state income tax is 13.3%. The state with the next highest rate is 9.9%. https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tool.../INF23232.html

Here is the only thing I know about Jeremy Corbyn. It would be legitimate for the people of Britain to overthrow their government if this guy's ideas ever became the norm.

[Suzanimal]

Republicanguy is off the scale

LOL, I don't think I've seen that one before.

-rep

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What is the deal with all these British guys like Republican Guy, Dr No, etc. on here? People like Zip and TheCount are from the states, but I don't really get the British connection.

Anyway, a joke to liven up the thread.


Q: What do you call a Brit with a 68 IQ?

A: Colonel, sir!

Ba dum tsss!

[Republicanguy]

Today I was asked by somebody for some money, I said to them I didn't have any to give them.

I can just imagine what society would be like with so much changed. I think Libertarianism would be a bad experiment. Who would look after the children with no parents?

So healthcare removed would only be available for immediate treatment, but nothing afterwards without any money if not available.

Libertarian must be narcissistic? It must benefit the wealthy? What will that one Libertarian member of congress going to do? That lady who left the Republican party?

[Suzanimal]

Neg rep

[Occam's Banana]

I think Libertarianism would be a bad experiment. Who would look after the children with no parents?

No one. Under libertarianism, all orphans will be forced to die in the gutters. Those who don't will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs.

So healthcare removed would only be available for immediate treatment, but nothing afterwards without any money if not available.

That's right. Under libertarianism, all doctors will be forced to work only for pay. Any doctors who try to help poor people will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs.

Also under libertarianism, the members of any charitiable organizations who try to provide health care for poor people will be shot - along with the poor people they tried to help - and then they will all be fed to rich peoples' dogs.

Libertarian must be narcissistic?

Under libertarianism, anyone who is not a narcissist will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs.

It must benefit the wealthy?

Under libertarianism, everyone will benefit rich people (especially all the people who will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs).

[Suzanimal]

Rich people's dogs do well under libertarianism.

[Dr.3D]

Rich people's dogs do well under libertarianism.

Yeah, kinda makes me want to be a rich persons dog.

[Suzanimal]

Yeah, kinda makes me want to be a rich persons dog.

My dad used to say he wanted to come back as a rich woman's french poodle, lol.

[Occam's Banana]

Rich people's dogs do well under libertarianism.

Yeah, kinda makes me want to be a rich persons dog.

Under libertarianism, it is very important to belong to a rich person, especially if you are a dog.

Under libertarianism, poor peoples' dogs will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' cats.

[Suzanimal]

Under libertarianism, it is very important to belong to a rich person, especially if you are a dog.

Under libertarianism, poor peoples' dogs will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' cats.

Dogs better make good life choices under libertarianism.

[euphemia]

Today I was asked by somebody for some money, I said to them I didn't have any to give them

How do you have a computer and get on the interenet? Do you have two jobs?

Socialism makes people selfish victims of their own choices.

[Dr.3D]

Dogs better make good life choices under libertarianism.

Dog's better belong to kind rich people under libertarianism. Same with cats.

[Republicanguy]

How do you have a computer and get on the interenet? Do you have two jobs?

Socialism makes people selfish victims of their own choices.

I live with family. And the computer I own was £50, nearly ten years old. I don't have money for a new system.

I know about welfare claiming, I live in a social home, and my family members are recently employed. I have had some employment, not much. So i have the experience of knowing what it is like to be uneducated, I left school with poor grades, and didn't succeed at the college I went to. Depending on personality, and education, if you can't succeed, you can only do what is available.

The attitude on here is that I can be an investment banker, which I can't or work in a bank.

On this board I once read about a post of someone asking for food, it was sad, I appreciate the fact that a welfare system exists, had one existed for that individual on here, they wouldn't of needed to ask on a forum for food.

I know socialism has had a bad track record. And yes life choices can matter, last year I had spoke to somebody at a benefit office, a lady who had been employed and unemployed, she wanted to get a council flat as I mentioned I lived in one. I have lived in one since I turned twenty five due to overcrowding as I shared a room with my brother more than three years ago, and bidding for a property was what got us a permanent social home, obviously it isn't free, there is a cheaper rent than private rent, council tax, and anyone needs repairing, the council send a private company to repair anything or check the boiler, electric meter, usually once a year.

She was living with her mum, with two children and in her forties. I don't know where her partner was, but I guess separated. A bit of a bossy person. Some people just like to talk, I guess it makes them feel better when they are on welfare assistance.

I am left wing because of my reality and position, not necessarily because I want to rob the world.

What I see more now than I did years ago is, people are just so self centered to the point of being cruel. Nobody cares, so people have only god left.