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Oh really? You would accuse me with zero positive evidence of something with which I would never soil myself? Not sure what your motive is here. Apparently, unlike you, I am unwilling to lay claim to knowledge of your intentions when in fact I have none. I can only wonder what your purpose is here.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Is it some attempt to take a stab at the "human dignity" tack?The fact they are overbooking prevents anybody from traveling like a human being.
Overbooking is done all the time. It helps maximize the efficiency of resource allocation. Companies are well within their rights to pursue such measures. The possibility of being bumped due to overbooking is written into every sales contract that results from the purchase of tickets. Is there any more free-market solution that this, that two parties contract voluntarily with various conditions stipulated in the contract? If a prospective passenger doesn't like the conditions, they are free to fly with another airline, travel by other means, or remain where they are. Nobody is twisting anybody's arms here.
Running an airline is nightmarishly complex. I am not an expert in those specific operations, but I have worked on similar models. Logistics and planning are tough at best. You think you just buy 2400 aircraft and start flying? I could go chapter and verse listing the challenges of such operations and how difficult it can be to optimize them, as well as the criticality of such optimizations to one's ability to make a profit. Sub-optimal scheduling will eat profits up so fast, you would not believe it.
So before you wax all point-fingery at the evil airlines, you would do well to gain a basic understanding of how such businesses operate and why they do what they do. Or do you believe that every airline does the same things because they are all evil and only looking to screw their customers?
If there were a viable competitive advantage in eliminating over-booking, do you not think at least one of the airlines would have made hay of it in their marketing? Perhaps you think they are all colluding to squeeze the passengers in oligopolistic unity?
You cannot be serious. Comfortable? You want to talk about uncomfortable? Try taking a train across Europe for three days. How about when steam liners took days to get from the UK to NY. Now all you have to do is sit for 8 hours and you're there. And if the comfort is so all-fired important, buy a first-class ticket. If the price is too high, then I guess comfy really isn't that necessary.The flights are packed to the gills with people which does not make anybody comfortable.
I have been non literally hundreds of flights that had not one empty seat. It's done all the time and we always got to where we were going in good health. What, exactly, are you arguing for here? First-class seats for everyone at coach prices? Fine. How about we pass a law mandating it. Then in about a month you can go back to trains, driving for five days cross-country, riding a bicycle from NYC to LA, hitch-hike, walk, or just stay home.Pretending the planes can fly people at 100% capacity is a sick joke.
Seriously, what is it you want to see and how is it to be provided without bankrupting the carriers? If you have no specifics, then I must conclude you are speaking gibberish.
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You don't own the seats on the plane when you buy a plane ticket.
Suppose you have your own car service to compete with Uber. You offer rides to people that live nearby at a discount with an agreement that if there's an emergency, and you need your car, you'll refund the ticket. At the time you need to give someone a ride that they reserved, your wife slips in the shower and is unconscious. You call your neighbor and tell him his ride is cancelled, there's an emergency. You carry her to the car to take her to the hospital only to find your neighbor sitting in your car waiting to be taken for his reserved ride. You tell him he needs to get out. He refuses. You try to pull him out of the car but he grabs onto the seat so you whack him over the head, and drag him out of the car. Was your action justified?
This story is really bringing them out. (evidence: Danke)
A gay Asian actor, reprising the role of another gay Asian actor, blames Trump for the beating of a gay Asian airline passenger.
Makes perfect sense.
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Last edited by sparebulb; 04-11-2017 at 08:10 PM.
You assume that just because they are employees they weren't booked for the flight. Even employees get booked for flights and fly with tickets albeit discounted ones. The planes were overbooked according to them and he should have followed the order when he was instructed to get off the plane.
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https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/fly-rights
Voluntary Bumping
... DOT has not mandated the form or amount of compensation that airlines offer to volunteers.
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does he still get the 800 bucks?
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And it was a couple with a single child who volunteered to be bumped off of the originating flight, a few times over a weekend...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabe.../#5032e0164de1
Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.
What others do pales beside what YOU do.
Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
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That link clearly says Involuntary boarding. So it doesn't seem like it would restrict voluntary. so is this how the airline uses that restriction to artificially add a bull$#@! ceiling to somebody volunteering to give up their seat? "Oh, nobody volunteered up to the ceiling for the involuntary phase, so instead of offering more we'll just move to involuntary where there is a ceiling and nothing they can do about it."
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This was not an overbooked flight. It was a sold out flight. If United needed the four people in Louisville the next day, they could have rented a van and driver for less than this impending lawsuit will cost. It only takes about 5 hours to drive there.
I don't think I have ever used United, but I never will.
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Last edited by Danke; 04-11-2017 at 09:15 PM.
Pfizer Macht Frei!
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Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Hell, I don't even take ferries anymore since the last time when a cop went up and down the rows of cars with a dog sniffing everyone. Screw it, I'll drive.
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It's easy to sit in judgement of what is "reasonable" from the outside... Individuals privately know how urgent their need is and many have damn good reasons to keep their seats no matter the offer.
I know the bean counters want to avoidgougingpaying out the ass for inconveniencing their customers, but that seems a small price to pay for the long term stability that overbooking facilitates.
Needless to say they could have chartered a Gulfstream for much less than what this will cost them in the long run...
Last edited by ronpaulhawaii; 04-11-2017 at 09:29 PM.
Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.
What others do pales beside what YOU do.
Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
~ C.Coolidge
And if they had to hire a gulfstream every time they had to remove someone from their seat, then they probably wouldn't be in business today. Anyone who bought the ticket should have known this was a possibility. But then again I don't think they considered running to an individual who cannot read the contract they signed when buying the ticket.
If I was the airline, I would consider suing the shyte out of the passenger for breach of contract. Make an example of him and other would shy away from misbehaving while flying.
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what I have heard, he was "misbehaving" and that is why the cops were called. I can understand him being upset, his wife got up and left him there too.
but he seems to be mentally ill and/or medicated.
No no breach of contract is necessary if the crew decides someone is not fit to be on your flight.
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The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
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