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What others do pales beside what YOU do.
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I'm as big of a property rights advocate as anybody and I agree that the airline should be able to remove anybody from their flights or refuse service for whatever reason -- even just to shuttle around some employees. That does not mean that it is not horrible customer service to do so and gives people a valid reason to choose other airlines.
But they thought they could get away with overbooking to save a few bucks. Seems to have bitten them in the ass this time.
I remember when I would ride what was called "Student Standby" at a reduced price and usually got to take the next flight out.
Seems like they could do that for anybody when they have an empty seat.
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I don't know how many times this has to be said but there are conditions on the ticket and he should have know this if he took the time to read the contract he signed before you are allowed to pay for a ticket. He should have followed the rules, the sort of rules that make it possible for the airline to offer cheap tickets. In today's world, people want to get a Hilton penthouse suite for the price of a Motel 6 room. Sadly, that is not how life works, you get what you pay for.
My biggest fear now is the fear of the govt coming in and telling airlines that they cannot do what United did.
ISTM The police are at fault for the beating, the airline is at fault for enabling it.
Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.
What others do pales beside what YOU do.
Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
~ C.Coolidge
And it's been stated over and over again, that this was not a true over booking incident, where more paying customers bought more seats than what was available on a particular flight.
This was putting people off to support the airline's internal logistics.
But yeah, you're right, it's the airline's seat and they can do what they want with it.
They can run every motherfucker off, call the cops and mace the whole lot if they want.
And I can take my business elsewhere.
Rules vs Reality.
The rules may have given United the right, but reality is showing exercising it in this case to be wrong. I don't know how many times it has to be said that the airline could have kept raising the offer til someone bit. Or found other arrangements for the crew. I don't think the stockholders are as happy about being right in lawyers eyes as much as they are horrified to be wrong in the public's eyes...
Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.
What others do pales beside what YOU do.
Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
~ C.Coolidge
Agreed, the airline enabled this.
This is just one aspect of modern flying in AmeriKa.
Just one smart remark, just one argument, just the slightest bit of back talk anywhere in an airport to anybody in "authority" and you're liable to find yourself dragged off by cops.
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 04-11-2017 at 10:48 PM.
Bull$#@!.
They may not have laid a single hand on him, but they're just as culpable as the asshenhole who calls the cops on their neighbors for having a loud party and the cops show up and kill their dog.
Or a million other scenarios where people in disagreement could have possibly worked something out instead of calling the "authorities", but do not, and cops show up and do what they are designed to do, $#@! people up and/or throw them in jail.
Or kill them.
It's in the fine print of the contract. It's your own fault that you didn't read it...
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Last time I flew with the kid, we were in the restroom stall doing his business in , when he decided it was a good time to talk to me about a minecraft story from a youtube show. The central character to the story was named "bombie" and happened to be the name of the stuffed animal in his backpack. So I got the kid (who talks loud) saying "bombie this", "bombie that", while In the stall at a freaking airport. about gave me a heart attack. Later, we had a good talk about what words you can't say at an airport....
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Was reading the fine print on a rather long (100s of pages) legal document the other day, and found some boilerplate that would have been extremely in the favor of the business that wanted me as a customer. Upon questioning them, they replied, "oh, that doesn't apply, and we would never do that. It's just some default stuff." Now I tend to believe that for the most part the individuals I was dealing with are being honest, but if anything were to go wrong, you can bet that their corporate lawyers would be all about that fine print. They assure me that the "real" terms will be different, but I have yet to see it in writing.
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"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
Why Should Police Help United Airlines Cheat Its Customers?
http://reason.com/blog/2017/04/10/wh...ted-airlines-c
United's action in having a man attacked and dragged off a flight yesterday was heinous. So is the fact that police officers cooperated.
The world is rightly abuzz over an awful incident yesterday in which a man was beaten and dragged off a plane by police at Chicago's O'Hare airport for the crime of wanting to use the seat he's paid for on a United Airline flight getting ready to leave for Louisville.
The man claimed to be a doctor who had patients to see the next morning, explaining why he neither took an initial offer made to everyone on the plane to accept $400 and a hotel room for the night in exchange for voluntarily giving up his seat nor wanted to obey a straight-up order to leave, in an attempt on United's part to clear four seats for its own employees on the full flight.
No one considered even the $800 that was offered after everyone had boarded enough for the inconvenience, so United picked four seats and just ordered those in them to vacate. But the one man in question was not interested in obeying. (Buzzfeed reports, based on tweets from other passengers, that the bloodied man did eventually return to the plane.)
While United's customer service policies in this case are clearly heinous and absurd, let's not forget to also cast blame on the police officers who actually committed the brutality on United's behalf. NPR reports that the cops attacking the man "appear to be wearing the uniforms of Chicago aviation police."
While there may be something to be said for the ability for private businesses to summon the help of the police to remove people from their premises if they refuse to leave peacefully and their presence is unwanted, there is no excuse for the police to cooperate when the reason their presence is unwanted is not "causing a disturbance" or being violent or threatening to other customers, or stealing goods or services, or doing anything wrong at all, but rather wanting to peacefully use the service they legitimately paid for.
Shame on both United for calling the cops on a passenger to make the lives of their employees and business easier, and shame on the police for having any part of it.
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Last edited by CaptUSA; 04-12-2017 at 05:31 AM.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
This is doubly true especially if the contract you signed contradicts what you were supposedly told in person by an employee. These sort of rules are put in place to enable the airlines to provide cheap ticket (relatively speaking), it is a pro customers rule and now they are getting shyte on for trying to satisfy their customers need for cheap tickets.
Some of the posts on this thread could be confused for DU chatter. Big corporation vewy vewy bad cos they are trying to make profit so they can stay in business while satisfying the needs of their bargain hungry customer base. Big bad private corporation shouldn't be in business cos they cannot kiss the as* of every single one of their customers by bending the rules.
I would be flying United just as long as they have the cheap ticket cos I just like most people out there is looking for a bargain
Ironic that the stupid passenger is actually the one that gave United a black eye. I would personally sue him for breach of contract or something. You want to send a clear message to these type people who cannot follow simple rules that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.
Just because you are a doctor doesn't mean the rules doesn't apply to you.
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