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    Putin to Netanyahu: Unacceptable to Make 'Groundless Accusations' on Syria Chemical Attack

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that it was unacceptable to make "groundless" accusations over this week's suspected chemical weapons attack in a Syrian province.

    The Kremlin said in a statement that Putin "highlighted that it was unacceptable to make groundless accusations against anyone without conducting a detailed and unbiased investigation."

    According to the Prime Minister's Office, it was Netanyahu who initiated the phone call in order to convey his condolences over the St. Petersburg attack. Netanyahu also told Putin that he was "deeply shaken by the chemical weapons attack in Idlib. The international community must complete the effort to clean Syria of chemical weapons as was agreed in 2013."

    Scores were reported killed by a suspected Syrian government chemical attack in Idlib province and the U.S. government has suggested forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad were responsible. Russia has said it was too early to accuse the Syrian government and called for an investigation.*

    The call came several hours after Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said that Assad ordered the chemical attack. Lieberman told Yedioth Ahronoth that Syrian planes carried out the two chemical attacks, which were “directly ordered and planned by Syrian President Bashar Assad.” He stressed he was “100 percent certain.” The defense minister said he did not know if Russia was involved in the attack.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.782007
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    "groundless" -- McCain press conference for more boots on the ground in 5 . . . 4 . . .

    Bolivian UN ambassador mocks the US on Friday, then our UN Ambassador Nikki Haley has her "Colin Powell moment" at the UN yesterday.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-13-2017 at 09:48 AM.

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    Russia also said in 2013 that Syria had no chemical weapons. Then they agreed to help the UN destroy those "non- existent" weapons. Which means they DID exist. (the destruction was "confirmed" in 22 of 24 locations meaning they were not necessarily all destroyed at that time).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/w...ated.html?_r=0

    When did Syrian forces first use chemical weapons, and how did the United States respond?

    Scattered reports of chemical attacks have been made since the beginning of the Syrian civil war in 2011, but a large-scale attack in August 2013 — with United Nations inspectors already on the ground — got the world’s attention. Mr. Obama said he intended to carry out a limited military strike to uphold the international ban on chemical weapons and deter further attacks. Then he decided to seek authorization from Congress first.

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    But congressional support for strikes was lukewarm. Russia, seeking to head off American military retaliation, proposed an international effort to document and destroy Syria’s chemical stocks. Mr. Obama, facing possible defeat in Congress, accepted.

    Who did the work to find and eliminate the chemical weapons?

    The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons sent a team to Syria. Established in 1997 and based in The Hague, the organization is charged with enforcing the Chemical Weapons Convention that bans such arms. As of last fall, it reported that 67,098 metric tons of chemical agents, or 90 percent of the world’s declared stockpile of 72,304 metric tons, had been “verifiably destroyed.”

    How did the process work?

    First, the Syrian government issued a declaration ostensibly listing its stock of chemical weapons, though some American officials and independent experts were skeptical about whether it was complete. Teams from the O.P.C.W. visited 21 weapon-making sites to confirm that Syria had dismantled or destroyed its equipment; two other sites were considered too dangerous to visit because of fighting, but inspectors believed that they, too, had been taken apart.

    The weapons, and chemicals used to make them, were diluted to make the material less dangerous to transport and then loaded onto a Danish ship in the Syrian port of Latakia. That ship, under the protection of Russia and China, delivered the chemicals to an American Navy vessel, the Cape Ray, where the chemicals were neutralized. More shipments followed, and in January 2016, the O.P.C.W. announced that the last of the Syrian stocks had been destroyed.

    So did that eliminate the threat?

    Not entirely,
    though by all accounts, it removed lethal weapons that could have caused slaughter and suffering on a huge scale. Even as the O.P.C.W. completed its mission, new reports emerged of scattered attacks in Syria using chlorine and other suspected chemicals.

    Obama administration officials say that they always believed Mr. Assad might be withholding at least small chemical supplies, and that in public statements, Mr. Kerry and others tried to refer to the elimination of Syria’s “declared” stocks, a nuance often lost in news reports. American officials repeatedly returned to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons with intelligence reports on remaining chemical stocks, pressing for further action.

    Despite the failure to completely eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons, Obama administration officials and outside experts considered the program fundamentally a success. “We strongly believed it was better to get 1,300 tons of chemical weapons out of the hands of the Syrian regime, or let them fall into the hands of ISIL,” Jonathan Finer, who was Mr. Kerry’s chief of staff and is now a fellow at the Institute of Politics at Harvard, said, using another name for the Islamic State.

    Where did the nerve agent used in the attack this week come from?

    Two possibilities are receiving attention: that the agent, sarin, was in stocks Mr. Assad hid from inspectors, or that weapons specialists in the Syrian government manufactured a new supply. While it is not simple to make sarin, it is possible in a small lab that could be easily hidden in a basement, out of sight of inspectors and foreign spy satellites.

    Why did the Syrian government decide to carry out this massacre?

    One underlying factor in Syria’s latest attack may have been perceived signals of apathy from Russia and the United States. Russia proposed and participated in the destruction of weapons stocks, but since 2015, Russian officials, who have long supported Mr. Assad, have repeatedly denied or obfuscated evidence of new chemical attacks by the government.

    And President Trump, who publicly opposed American military action after the 2013 attack, had strongly suggested that his main concern in Syria was defeating the Islamic State, not restraining the government.

    Some 500,000 people have died in the Syrian civil war. Why do the hundreds killed by chemical weapons get so much attention?

    Some peace activists have asked that very question, suggesting that the disproportionate news coverage is illogical. But Daryl G. Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, an advocacy group in Washington, said that since the horrors of World War I, an international consensus has put chemical weapons in a special category. “They’re indiscriminate weapons, and they kill in a particularly horrific way,” Mr. Kimball said. “They’re taboo.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Russia also said in 2013 that Syria had no chemical weapons. Then they agreed to help the UN destroy those "non- existent" weapons. Which means they DID exist. (the destruction was "confirmed" in 22 of 24 locations meaning they were not necessarily all destroyed at that time).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/w...ated.html?_r=0
    I have come to the conclusion that you are an evil human being who really want to harm people, there is something really wrong with you. Why are you pushing war propaganda on the RPF? Do you get a hard on from seeing people die?

    First of all the article you posted doesn't even support the claim you made in the post. No where in the article did it say Russia denied the fact that Syria had any chemical weapons before 2013. Also if you believe the article, it says that all weapon making facilities in the govt controlled areas(that is what they mean by places too dangerous to search) have been inspected and equipment destroyed. The only places that is yet to be inspected and equipment destroyed are in unsafe areas(code word for rebel/terrorist held territory)

    But you post this very biased article and still come out with a more hawkish message than the author was intending to convey. I am not a religious person but I think that you need God in your life cos you have allowed the devil to take over your soul.

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    I am favoring harming people? No. I am not pushing for war in Syria. I have said the US should not be involved in Syria at all. Arguing against the use of chemical weapons is not favoring harming people.

    I was perhaps wrong that he said they did not have any chemical weapons. He did deny they used such weapons yet was willing to help destroy them. It still remains that if Syria was not doing anything wrong, why help get rid of them?

    He did initially say there was no evidence that an attack even took place. https://www.rt.com/news/putin-cameron-syria-attack-020/

    Putin to Cameron: No evidence Syria chemical weapons attack took place


    Russia has no evidence of whether a chemical weapons attack has taken place in Syria or who is responsible, Russian President Vladimir Putin told British Prime Minister David Cameron in a telephone call, according to Cameron’s official website.

    The two leaders had an urgent phone call on Monday afternoon regarding the Syrian crisis in the wake of a sniper attack on UN chemical inspectors outside Damascus.

    Following the call the British government spokesperson said: “President Putin said that they did not have evidence of whether a chemical weapons attack had taken place or who was responsible.”
    Then later: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-0...nce-as/4936304

    Putin does not rule out approving Syria strike with evidence Assad used chemical weapons

    Russian president Vladimir Putin says he will not rule out approving a military operation in Syria if clear evidence shows Damascus carried out chemical weapons attacks, but added any strike would be illegal without United Nations support.
    Then to avert any military strike, he agreed to help destroy Syrian weapons.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-13-2017 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post

    First of all the article you posted doesn't even support the claim you made in the post. ....

    Zip is getting sloppy and desperate.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Zip is getting sloppy and desperate.
    FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I am favoring harming people---?---. (Period).
    FIFY
    I was perhaps wrong
    and that is correct.
    ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I am favoring harming people? No. I am not pushing for war in Syria. I have said the US should not be involved in Syria at all. Arguing against the use of chemical weapons is not favoring harming people.

    I was perhaps wrong that he said they did not have any chemical weapons. He did deny they used such weapons yet was willing to help destroy them. It still remains that if Syria was not doing anything wrong, why help get rid of them?

    He did initially say there was no evidence that an attack even took place. https://www.rt.com/news/putin-cameron-syria-attack-020/



    Then later: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-0...nce-as/4936304



    Then to avert any military strike, he agreed to help destroy Syrian weapons.
    Zippy, you have to understand that I wasn't born yesterday. You come to a thread talking about the chemical weapons accusations and the article you chose to post is one that promote the idea that Assad may have had a secret chemical weapon stash that he could have used to attack his people.And the article is from the NY times of all places. Mind you, this is the same NY times that lied us into the war in Iraq that killed over 1 m Iraqi civilians and set the country on fire.

    I mean, you could have posted an article that suggested that there were no chemical attacks even if only to play devil's advocate or even mocked the idea that the Israeli govt/Netanyahu are all of a sudden humanitarians who care about suffering Syrians, but you picked the article most likely to promote a war in Syria. Sorry but I am no longer buying the idea that you are anything but pro war. The other sick thing about you is that you promote your evil agenda in a covert way that makes it hard on trust people to see it.

    You know, I used to feel sorry for you when Northcarolinaliberty used to call you out, but not anymore. There is something seriously wrong with you and I am no longer going to give you a pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I am favoring harming people? No. I am not pushing for war in Syria. I have said the US should not be involved in Syria at all. Arguing against the use of chemical weapons is not favoring harming people.

    I was perhaps wrong that he said they did not have any chemical weapons. He did deny they used such weapons yet was willing to help destroy them. It still remains that if Syria was not doing anything wrong, why help get rid of them?

    He did initially say there was no evidence that an attack even took place. https://www.rt.com/news/putin-cameron-syria-attack-020/



    Then later: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-0...nce-as/4936304



    Then to avert any military strike, he agreed to help destroy Syrian weapons.
    You should probably move on to the next thread. You are grasping at straws here.
    A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Zippy, you have to understand that I wasn't born yesterday. You come to a thread talking about the chemical weapons accusations and the article you chose to post is one that promote the idea that Assad may have had a secret chemical weapon stash that he could have used to attack his people.And the article is from the NY times of all places. Mind you, this is the same NY times that lied us into the war in Iraq that killed over 1 m Iraqi civilians and set the country on fire.

    I mean, you could have posted an article that suggested that there were no chemical attacks even if only to play devil's advocate or even mocked the idea that the Israeli govt/Netanyahu are all of a sudden humanitarians who care about suffering Syrians, but you picked the article most likely to promote a war in Syria. Sorry but I am no longer buying the idea that you are anything but pro war. The other sick thing about you is that you promote your evil agenda in a covert way that makes it hard on trust people to see it.

    You know, I used to feel sorry for you when Northcarolinaliberty used to call you out, but not anymore. There is something seriously wrong with you and I am no longer going to give you a pass.

    Yeah, I agree with this. And I never did feel sorry for Zip. He has shown absolutely no consideration for this forum. Ever. The politeness crap was just that--crap.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Yeah, I agree with this. And I never did feel sorry for Zip. He has shown absolutely no consideration for this forum. Ever. The politeness crap was just that--crap.
    Zippy the SJW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Yeah, I agree with this. And I never did feel sorry for Zip. He has shown absolutely no consideration for this forum. Ever. The politeness crap was just that--crap.
    You caught on to him pretty early and I was fooled until recently thinking he was semi liberty type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You caught on to him pretty early and I was fooled until recently thinking he was semi liberty type.
    You should go out more often.



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