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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Amash has been nothing but professional, but trumpflakes consider dissenting with their Guilded Progressive to be sacrilege.
    The die hard Trump supporters have jumped the shark in their defense of Trump WRT the Freedom Caucus. About the only one with any credibility left in my book is Dannno. It's not that his arguments really made sense, but at least he wasn't an ass about it. Really I never expected anyone on these forums to attack Justin Amash and especially not over going criticism of Donald Trump.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Amash seems to be more popular in his district than Trump; Amash won 59% of his district while Trump only won 52% of MI-3. Trump is more popular in Kentucky than Rand though (63% vs. 57%).
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Good observation.

    Anybody who saw Amash's Town Hall thread a couple months ago should be totally fine with him taking strong opposition to Trump (where appropriate, which can be subjective, but in general he is doing the right thing).
    I'm a principle guy rather than a poll guy. When Donald Trump's administration increasing groping by the TSA, threatens pot growers and users in states where it is legal, attacks those who want a less socialist replacement to Obamacare, increases the militarization of the police, and says we're going to be in Iraq "for years", that is justification for strong opposition to Trump regardless of whether the polls of your voters reflect that to be the popular position. And yes, I know that you've convinced yourself that Trump little responsibility for what those under him do or say and even when Trump says it through twitter, you don't hold him responsible. And it's your right to interpret Trumpworld that way. The rest of us take it as we see it and react appropriately. And from the looks of the results it seems the backlash tactic worked just the way it should. So...the rest of us will keep the pressure on.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    attacks those who want a less socialist replacement to Obamacare
    You mean, takes them golfing?

    Where are the pot busts? Come on man, I grow and smoke herb, if anybody should be worried here it is me. I'm not. Yet. I could be wrong, I'm just not feelin it.

    Putting pressure on Trump to not take out ISIS isn't going to work right now, sorry. In time, it will work, because you can be like, "hey man, you've had all this time and haven't made any progress, what's going on??" but right now I would mostly just be watching what is going on because there just isn't much you can do. The MIC isn't going to stop him, he was voted in to stop ISIS, we just don't have much of an argument in the short term other than we don't think it will work (I don't think it will work). In 6 months to a year depending on how things go, I would recommend ratcheting up the pressure on the military interventions, or sooner if he is doing anything that is CLEARLY outside of the scope of attacking ISIS.. and I don't mean Daniel McAdams theorizing about why we placed troops between ISIS and the Syrian army, maybe we were protecting them.. I'm not talking about an accidental or one time something or other - although I would be cataloging these incidents for later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/kwelkernbc/statu...22044624875521
    Oh hayuls yeah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    You mean, we are seventy days into his presidency and he hasn't solved world hunger and ended all wars? There is still corruption in government and the lines at the DMV aren't already shorter?

    What a failure!

    Forget about the fact that he discusses with Ron Paul's son matters of state, let's humiliate him for not having solved all the problems. He hasn't even cured cancer yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    How do you know he didn't discuss those things? How do you know those conversations might not come about?
    Can you show me one single time when Trump has used the words "Individual Liberty"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    Can you show me one single time when Trump has used the words "Individual Liberty"?
    I don't recall him saying that, but I haven't read his book and I don't follow his speeches and interviews all that much. I'm simply happy that the HFC finally has a real seat at the table compared to what it's has had for as long as I can remember. I want to celebrate the small wins, especially when one considers how much worse it could be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    I don't recall him saying that, but I haven't read his book and I don't follow his speeches and interviews all that much. I'm simply happy that the HFC finally has a real seat at the table compared to what it's has had for as long as I can remember. I want to celebrate the small wins, especially when one considers how much worse it could be.
    Yes, it is good to remember to see the bright side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You mean, takes them golfing?
    He did that after Justin Amash et al busted his chops. Common Dannno. Doesn't carrying Trumps water ever get heavy?

    Where are the pot busts? Come on man, I grow and smoke herb, if anybody should be worried here it is me. I'm not. Yet. I could be wrong, I'm just not feelin it.
    And Obama never went house to house taking guns. The signals his administration put out were that he was anti gun. Thankfully there was enough push back to keep Obama at bay. There's been enough push back to keep drug warriors in the Trump administration at bay. Republican governors are signing pro pot legislation even it super red states like Alabama. The house how has a pro pot caucus.

    Putting pressure on Trump to not take out ISIS isn't going to work right now, sorry. In time, it will work, because you can be like, "hey man, you've had all this time and haven't made any progress, what's going on??"
    If Trump thinks that his generals announcing we are going to be in Iraq for years = taking out ISIS then sorry, he's dumber than I thought. ISIS was on the run during the last year of the Obama administration. And no, Obama can't take credit for it. It was Putin and Iran. Trump could get behind Tulsi Gabbard's effort to stop funding ISIS indirectly, push that through, and claim the victory over ISIS that's already happening. So....why isn't he doing that? I mean he did campaign on the idea that Obama and Hillary started ISIS. De-fund their brainchild and be done with it. But no, Trump is playing this just like the globalists want him too.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Donald simply needed a bit of pep talk to understand the situation.
    He needs to hear it from the right people. There's a lot of competition for Trump's ear right now.

    If Trump fancies himself a revolutionary, then he should spend more time listening to people like Rand and less time listening to the dying yet desperately-clinging establishment old-guard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    Yes, it is good to remember to see the bright side.
    Agreed!

    I dont think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president, he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Hes the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Agreed!

    CPUd, you think making fun of Christians is going to make you friends here?

    You are either a paid troll or have a pathological mental disorder to post as often the things you post here, creating enemies every day. No sane or normal person would do it like you do it, and it is a dead give away.


    Either way, I want the ones you are working for (whether human or demonic) to know that you can mock Christians all day and it does nothing but further reveal what your intentions are and who you work for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    CPUd, you think making fun of Christians is going to make you friends here?

    You are either a paid troll or have a pathological mental disorder to post as often the things you post here, creating enemies every day. No sane or normal person would do it like you do it, and it is a dead give away.


    Either way, I want the ones you are working for (whether human or demonic) to know that you can mock Christians all day and it does nothing but further reveal what your intentions are and who you work for.
    It's not making fun of Christians. Sorry if you don't understand it.
    I dont think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president, he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Hes the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    It's not making fun of Christians. Sorry if you don't understand it.
    Bull$#@!
    And everyone knows it, troll
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    Can we compromise on the "bright side" of golfing for health care?

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    How does Ron stay so calm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    CPUd, you think making fun of Christians is going to make you friends here?

    You are either a paid troll or have a pathological mental disorder to post as often the things you post here, creating enemies every day. No sane or normal person would do it like you do it, and it is a dead give away.


    Either way, I want the ones you are working for (whether human or demonic) to know that you can mock Christians all day and it does nothing but further reveal what your intentions are and who you work for.
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Bull$#@!
    And everyone knows it, troll
    Jesus, Ter. I know some Trump supporters are snowflakes but you seem not your normal self today; chill out dude. I didn't take it as mocking Christians, and can you name one reason to think CPU'd is a troll other than he doesn't support Trump ('cause that's not a legit reason)?
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    For some reason, I suspect @TER has never seen Monty Python.

    ...that skit is mocking irrational optimism (such as yours w/ respect to Trump), not Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    For some reason, I suspect @TER has never seen Monty Python.

    ...that skit is mocking irrational optimism (such as yours w/ respect to Trump), not Christianity.
    I am not sure if I am older than you, but I certainly know the movie well which is being referenced.

    My problem is not the actual video, but the intent of the poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    I am not sure if I am older than you, but I certainly know the movie well which is being referenced.

    My problem is not the actual video, but the intent of the poster.
    who are you to judge your fellow man from words on the internet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afwjam View Post
    who are you to judge your fellow man from words on the internet?
    A couple of posts before CPUd posted the above movie clip, he was mocking Christians. By their fruits they will be judged...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    My problem is not the actual video, but the intent of the poster.
    The intent of the poster was clearly to mock your optimism re Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    A couple of posts before CPUd posted the above movie clip, he was mocking Christians. By their fruits they will be judged...
    Exactly. Have you truly let Jesus into your heart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    A couple of posts before CPUd posted the above movie clip, he was mocking Christians. By their fruits they will be judged...
    I just went through his post history (back to the 30th) to verify what I already knew: you have him mixed up with someone else, 'cause he did no such thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afwjam View Post
    Exactly. Have you truly let Jesus into your heart?
    Only He knows that for sure. I don't presume to speak on behalf of the Lord or use my feelings or fallible experiences to be any standard. God knows..

    In the meanwhile, I will fight to help my friends here from being led astray by those who care little to nothing about their name, those around them, or more importantly, the Name of Jesus Christ.

    On account of my sins, I may have not allowed Christ in my heart. But the very least I can do is give the rest of myself to fight for His beloved.
    Last edited by TER; 04-04-2017 at 09:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    I just went through his post history (back to the 30th) to verify what I already knew: you have him mixed up with someone else, 'cause he did no such thing.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6446195
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    You cranky Ter. Take a nap or sumfin. That post is CLEARLY mocking our government's use of scare tactics to push their agenda, not Christians.

    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    We have no choice. They are chopping off the heads of Christians and many others. President Donald will keep us safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    You cranky Ter. Take a nap or sumfin. That post is CLEARLY mocking our government's use of scare tactics to push their agenda, not Christians.
    So you believe. I believe differently. Calm me cranky. I will call it as I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    So you believe. I believe differently. Calm me cranky. I will call it as I see it.

    It's not necessary. make your case and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afwjam View Post
    It's not necessary. make your case and move on.
    I do most days of the month, then I go away for a while, until the next time. Today was my day to vent. In a little while, I will be gone again, and then the propaganda machine can continue without my interference.
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