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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Don't worry, it's just a temporary loss of freedoms. The government will give them back when we deserve them.
    Therein the greater risk. As I wrote, such exercise of power left unchallenged has a way of leading to more of the same. Some precedents are impossibly dangerous, and yet doing nothing is at least equally so, if not more.

    What does one do when the population is so indescribably ignorant on the average, so divided, so apathetic, corrupt, cowardly, and greedy that they cannot or will not come together in agreement on the most basic elements of how life shall be? What does one do, given all that plus the fact that there are vested interests so deeply entrenched and accessing of the real power of the throne, so to speak, that not only can they set into motion that which we all claim to hate, but nobody will step up to put it to ends?

    How much can a president really do in this context? How much can he do when Congress is so basically corrupt that men like Paul, Massie, and Amash constitute a proportion suggesting of a mosquito's fart in a hurricane for influence and the power to bring "real" change? That is why I brought up the notion of martial law as being the LEAST UNLIKELY path to the end in question. They are all unlikely. None of them seem very hopeful at all, but martial law seems the least hopeless... which is really saying next to nothing.

    That all said, a truly good man in proper control of himself, given the minimal conditions, could perhaps pull off such a move. But once again, the precedent will have been set such that we all pretty well know that the next time a president will deem the situation sufficiently dire, he will repeat the performance. That might be OK, but what if it were another Obama who decided that we are at such a pass that we can no longer afford the BoR? We MUST have socialism for the greater good. He pulls that rabbit out of his ass and then where are we? Dangerville. Slavetown. $#@!itsburg. We're done.

    And yet, to continue this way... are we any better off, as the general population becomes ever softer, more ignorant, and corrupted?

    It would appear that the death spiral of an empire might be something that cannot be avoided due to the precise nature of the human animal. There are many examples of it, Rome not the least among them. They knew what was happening and still did nothing substantive to stop it. I wonder whether there is some superconscious aspect of the race of men that work subliminally and that actually wants its own destruction. How else does one explain what we see today? The world is literally gone mad and all we do is sit at our keyboards and talk about it as Theye continue to push us daily another inch toward a precipice that leads nowhere I would call "good".

    It would be great to see Americans come to mass sense and put this to bed in a peacefully forceful manner. But we are not doing it. We sit, Theye act. How can anyone not think that this is going end poorly for the vast majority of us, if not all? Seriously, I'd like someone to show me a path forward, given the status quo and the current trends that doesn't end in our destruction, whether physical or "merely" circumstantial. Would anyone here suggest that Theye have a grand plan that will provide for us all lives of freedom and ease and prosperity? How does what we see lead to a better world, rather than one even more determinedly bent toward death, poverty, disease, and abject misery? Perhaps I am blind?
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  3. #32
    @osan- you do know that remark from @TheCount was pure sarcasm- amirite?
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You realize that Iraq is not Afghanistan right? And you also realize that Ron Paul regretted making that vote right? Ron learned from his mistakes. Trump is making Obama's mistakes and then some. The Iraqi army, once it realized that letting ISIS win was not a way to oust Maliki, is now kicking ISIS' ass and was doing so before Trump became president. ISIS is not staging attacks against the U.S. from Iraq like Al CIAda staged 9/11 from Afghanistan. Those carrying out these relatively small, "ISIS inspired" attacks have, for the most part, never even been to Iraq. Seriously you are sounding like a full bore neocon. "We must fight them over there so that we don't have to fight them over hear." Ron Paul's philosophy that our intervention is causing the blowback has gone out the window with your support of Trump. And frankly who give a fvck about a promise not to "get involved in a full ground war" again? Obama can claim he didn't get us involved in a "full ground war" except the ongoing ground war in Afghanistan which Trump shows no sign of stoppage. When it comes to foreign policy, so far Trump = Obama and possibly worse.
    So did you freak out when Ron made that vote and call his supporters Paulettes or are you a hypocrite? Trump is going to make mistakes no doubt about it, it seems you gave Ron Paul a do-over though.........

  6. #34
    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon vice president, he picked Pence so he can make deals!

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even been elected.

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even confirmed neocons in his cabinet.

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even sent troops to Syria

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even sent troops to Iraq.

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is a neocon , he doesn't even have any terrorist cells named after him or any peace prizes.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    So did you freak out when Ron made that vote and call his supporters Paulettes or are you a hypocrite? Trump is going to make mistakes no doubt about it, it seems you gave Ron Paul a do-over though.........
    I hadn't even heard of Ron Paul at that point Trumpchump. I've called some Trump supporters hypocrites because they have been hypocrites. Ron Paul came out and said he regretted that vote. What mistakes did Trump admit to? Oh yeah, that's right. He doesn't make mistakes. MAGA! Trump = Obama in the worst possible way. Ron Paul wen't against his own party by being willing to stand up against the Iraq war. Trump initially supported the Iraq war (he lied when he said he was always against the Iraq war and you know it.) Trump demanded U.S. troops be used against Qaddafi, then lied and claimed he was always against that war. (And you know he lied). Now Trump's on Secretary of State is saying we should stay in Iraq for years! And if you don't understand the difference between a vote to go into Afghanistan in what Ron Paul thought would be a limited operation to root out Al Qaeda, and making the plan to stay in Iraq indefinitely with no clear goal in mind then you haven't learned diddly squat from Ron Paul at all over all these years. Seriously you haven't. And frankly if you are dumb enough to think my calling out Trump on this makes me a hypocrite than I will take that as a badge of honor.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    @osan- you do know that remark from @TheCount was pure sarcasm- amirite?

    Certainly, and that is precisely why I responded as I did, to underscore the reality of what such a move would mean going forward... even though today "forward" == "backward".
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    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I hadn't even heard of Ron Paul at that point Trumpchump. I've called some Trump supporters hypocrites because they have been hypocrites. Ron Paul came out and said he regretted that vote. What mistakes did Trump admit to? Oh yeah, that's right. He doesn't make mistakes. MAGA! Trump = Obama in the worst possible way. Ron Paul wen't against his own party by being willing to stand up against the Iraq war. Trump initially supported the Iraq war (he lied when he said he was always against the Iraq war and you know it.) Trump demanded U.S. troops be used against Qaddafi, then lied and claimed he was always against that war. (And you know he lied). Now Trump's on Secretary of State is saying we should stay in Iraq for years! And if you don't understand the difference between a vote to go into Afghanistan in what Ron Paul thought would be a limited operation to root out Al Qaeda, and making the plan to stay in Iraq indefinitely with no clear goal in mind then you haven't learned diddly squat from Ron Paul at all over all these years. Seriously you haven't. And frankly if you are dumb enough to think my calling out Trump on this makes me a hypocrite than I will take that as a badge of honor.
    Sensitive one aren't you. Do questions always get you so upset? Actually Trump just admitted he should have gone after tax cuts first. You're blind hate didn't allow you to see that headline I'm sure. What did Ron Paul say about working with people on issues you agree with them on? Did he say you should be a douche when you disagree? Or have you learned nothing from Ron Paul over the years?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    Sensitive one aren't you. Do questions always get you so upset? Actually Trump just admitted he should have gone after tax cuts first. You're blind hate didn't allow you to see that headline I'm sure. What did Ron Paul say about working with people on issues you agree with them on? Did he say you should be a douche when you disagree? Or have you learned nothing from Ron Paul over the years?
    You started with the attacks and you know it. If the moderators were on their job you would be banned for flamebait. I call Trump supporters hypocrites when they are actually being hypocrites like you are being right now. There are times on this forum when I've actually defended Trump. Not often because Trump rarely does something worth defending.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 03-27-2017 at 06:15 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Quit sucking up to Trump. You are embarrassing yourself. As for getting upset? You lied about me. You started the fight. I hadn't gone against you (I don't know if I ever went against you) and for no reason you attacked me. So at this point, go fvck yourself. Seriously douche go fvck yourself. Don't attack someone who hasn't attacking you then feign offense when then strike back.
    What? Now I see you're definitely upset. I guess in that incoherent babble you had a point, still trying to find it. No answer for the questions at the end huh? Where did I "attack" first?

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    What? Now I see you're definitely upset. I guess in that incoherent babble you had a point, still trying to find it. No answer for the questions at the end huh? Where did I "attack" first?
    I don't like liars and right now that's what you are doing. Your attack is when you lied and claimed I "freak out" with everything Trump does or that I call Trump supporters "hypocrites" for no reason. That was a dishonest attack.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I don't like liars and right now that's what you are doing. Your attack is when you lied and claimed I "freak out" with everything Trump does or that I call Trump supporters "hypocrites" for no reason. That was a dishonest attack.
    I see now that maybe you don't understand what a question is, perhaps that is why you get so worked up with them? <--- see that funny symbol there? That must be why you are avoiding the others.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    I see now that maybe you don't understand what a question is, perhaps that is why you get so worked up with them? <--- see that funny symbol there? That must be why you are avoiding the others.
    With them? Them who? I don't like liars and you've lied. Why do I not like liars? Home training I guess.

    Now here is real Trump supporter hypocrisy.

    Trump's justice department warns pot festival in state where pot is legal and on Indian reservation that its policy is that such a gathering is still illegal and Trump supporters claim that doesn't matter because Trump himself is pro pot.

    The military under Trump bombs a heavily civilian area and causes massive casualties a battle that the Iraqi government forces were winning already without our help and it's okay because MAGA.

    The TSA under Trump increases groping and it's okay because MAGA and "Trump will fix it eventually."

    TruNow here is real Trump supporter hypocrisy.

    Trump's justice department warns pot festival in state where pot is legal and on Indian reservation that its policy is that such a gathering is still illegal and Trump supporters claim that doesn't matter because Trump himself is pro pot.

    The military under Trump bombs a heavily civilian area and causes massive casualties a battle that the Iraqi government forces were winning already without our help and it's okay because MAGA.

    The TSA under Trump increases groping and it's okay because MAGA and "Trump will fix it eventually."

    TruNow here is real Trump supporter hypocrisy.

    Trump's justice department warns pot festival in state where pot is legal and on Indian reservation that its policy is that such a gathering is still illegal and Trump supporters claim that doesn't matter because Trump himself is pro pot.

    The military under Trump bombs a heavily civilian area and causes massive casualties a battle that the Iraqi government forces were winning already without our help and it's okay because MAGA.

    The TSA under Trump increases groping and it's okay because MAGA and "Trump will fix it eventually."

    Trump supporters lamenting that Trump can't do needed "change" unless he can impose martial law and he can't do that without the JCS. (See my current sig).

    So here's the real question. Why aren't you upset by any of that? Seriously. Do you think that one actually justifiable vote by Ron Paul justifies everything Trump does and the lame excuses his die hard supporters come up with? Trump has single handedly co-opted the liberty movement. If that doesn't upset you, maybe you've already be co-opted.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    With them? Them who? I don't like liars and you've lied. Why do I not like liars? Home training I guess.

    Now here is real Trump supporter hypocrisy.

    Trump's justice department warns pot festival in state where pot is legal and on Indian reservation that its policy is that such a gathering is still illegal and Trump supporters claim that doesn't matter because Trump himself is pro pot.

    The military under Trump bombs a heavily civilian area and causes massive casualties a battle that the Iraqi government forces were winning already without our help and it's okay because MAGA.

    The TSA under Trump increases groping and it's okay because MAGA and "Trump will fix it eventually."

    TruNow here is real Trump supporter hypocrisy.

    Trump's justice department warns pot festival in state where pot is legal and on Indian reservation that its policy is that such a gathering is still illegal and Trump supporters claim that doesn't matter because Trump himself is pro pot.

    The military under Trump bombs a heavily civilian area and causes massive casualties a battle that the Iraqi government forces were winning already without our help and it's okay because MAGA.

    The TSA under Trump increases groping and it's okay because MAGA and "Trump will fix it eventually."

    TruNow here is real Trump supporter hypocrisy.

    Trump's justice department warns pot festival in state where pot is legal and on Indian reservation that its policy is that such a gathering is still illegal and Trump supporters claim that doesn't matter because Trump himself is pro pot.

    The military under Trump bombs a heavily civilian area and causes massive casualties a battle that the Iraqi government forces were winning already without our help and it's okay because MAGA.

    The TSA under Trump increases groping and it's okay because MAGA and "Trump will fix it eventually."

    Trump supporters lamenting that Trump can't do needed "change" unless he can impose martial law and he can't do that without the JCS. (See my current sig).

    So here's the real question. Why aren't you upset by any of that? Seriously. Do you think that one actually justifiable vote by Ron Paul justifies everything Trump does and the lame excuses his die hard supporters come up with? Trump has single handedly co-opted the liberty movement. If that doesn't upset you, maybe you've already be co-opted.
    This isn't about Trump, I asked you questions but you can't seem to focus. Where was the lie? Quote it for me since I'm so dumb.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    This isn't about Trump, I asked you questions but you can't seem to focus. Where was the lie? Quote it for me since I'm so dumb.
    It's all about Trump. You claimed I "freak out" by anything Trump does and unjustifiably call Trump supporters hypocrites and that I'm a hypocrite for not attacking Ron Paul on his Afghanistan vote. Do you want to retract that now? That's the lie. Or maybe you just aren't bright. My response that you don't want to address because you want to pretend this "isn't about Trump" is what proves your assertion wrong.

    Edit: And for the record, you are the one not answering questions.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 03-27-2017 at 06:40 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    It's all about Trump. You claimed I "freak out" by anything Trump does and unjustifiably call Trump supporters hypocrites and that I'm a hypocrite for not attacking Ron Paul on his Afghanistan vote. Do you want to retract that now? That's the lie. Or maybe you just aren't bright. My response that you don't want to address because you want to pretend this "isn't about Trump" is what proves your assertion wrong.
    Wow man you have the severest reading comprehension problem I have ever seen. Lets go to Webster on this one:

    Definition of question
    1
    a (1) : an interrogative expression often used to test knowledge (2) : an interrogative sentence or clause
    b : a subject or aspect in dispute or open for discussion : issue; broadly : problem, matter
    c (1) : a subject or point of debate or a proposition to be voted on in a meeting (2) : the bringing of such to a vote
    d : the specific point at issue
    2
    a : an act or instance of asking : inquiry
    b : interrogation; also : a judicial or official investigation
    c : torture as part of an examination
    d (1) : objection, dispute true beyond question (2) : room for doubt or objection little question of his skill (3) : chance, possibility no question of escape
    I noticed you didn't quote my post where I lied, too embarrassing when you went back and re-read it? I have nothing to retract, I Asked you a question and you went into name-calling, a bunch of fvck yous and avoided all questions.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    So did you freak out when Ron made that vote and call his supporters Paulettes or are you a hypocrite? Trump is going to make mistakes no doubt about it, it seems you gave Ron Paul a do-over though.........
    Uh... no one knew what the $#@! was going on with 911; everyone was in a frenzy over it. Ron Paul did regret that decision and spoke about it.

    This is now a new age and Trump is full on bombing countries and there will be no apology. It seems that you may be the hypocrite.
    There is no spoon.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Welcome to The Twilight Zone.
    I'll say.
    There is no spoon.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Right, Trump is a results driven guy. If he doesn't see a good return on the taxpayer's money, i.e. if things aren't improving then changes will have to be made, and if it becomes unfeasible then the project will end. It's not going to take that long for this process to happen with Trump.
    Quote Originally Posted by Art of the Deal
    To this day, if I feel a contractor is overcharging me, I’ll pick up the phone, even if it’s only for $5,000 or $10,000, and I’ll complain. People say to me, “What are you bothering for, over a few bucks?” My answer is that the day I can’t pick up the telephone and make a twenty-five-cent call to save $10,000 is the day I’m going to close up shop.
    He's definitely a statist, but he does get a rush out of saving tons of money.

    His predecessors on the other hand seemed to get a rush out of the opposite.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by MRK View Post
    He's definitely a statist, but he does get a rush out of saving tons of money.

    His predecessors on the other hand seemed to get a rush out of the opposite.
    They did not know it was possible. Constrained by their own imagination or lack thereof.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Don't worry, it's just a temporary loss of freedoms. The government will give them back when we deserve them.

    Or when people like you advocate that we ask government for them.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon vice president, he picked Pence so he can make deals!

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even been elected.

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even confirmed neocons in his cabinet.

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even sent troops to Syria

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is going to have a neocon foreign policy, how can you even say that when he hasn't even sent troops to Iraq.

    you guys are crazy if you think Trump is a neocon , he doesn't even have any terrorist cells named after him or any peace prizes.

    Post of the day.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    They did not know it was possible. Constrained by their own imagination or lack thereof.

    Two things.

    1: The bolded is almost certainly false.

    2: Anyone that clueless has no business as janitor at a middle school, much less being POTUS.
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    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by MRK View Post
    He's definitely a statist, but he does get a rush out of saving tons of money.

    His predecessors on the other hand seemed to get a rush out of the opposite.
    He's not saving any money.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    Wow man you have the severest reading comprehension problem I have ever seen. Lets go to Webster on this one:



    I noticed you didn't quote my post where I lied, too embarrassing when you went back and re-read it? I have nothing to retract, I Asked you a question and you went into name-calling, a bunch of fvck yous and avoided all questions.
    I answered your questions. I don't have a reading comprehension problem. You have a lying problem. It's all here for anyone to see. Here is the exact quote:

    So did you freak out when Ron made that vote and call his supporters Paulettes or are you a hypocrite? Trump is going to make mistakes no doubt about it, it seems you gave Ron Paul a do-over though.........

    The lie from you is that if I didn't "freak out" over Ron voting to send troops into Afghanistan to take out Osama Bin Laden I am a hypocrite. Well I did not "freak out" and I am not a hypocrite. If you are too stupid to understand the difference between Ron Paul making a sensible vote for what he hoped was limited action to take out Osama Bin Laden, and Donald Trump's defense secretary now saying we should stay in Iraq for years then that's on you.

    Now, I've answer your question again. And this time I quoted you. It's time for you to man up and answer my questions and quote me. Where have I "freaked out" because Donald Trump make an excusable mistake? Quote me or shut up. Where did I call Trump supporters hypocrites when they weren't actually being hypocrites? Quote me or shut up. Enough of your games. Man up or shut up.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Uh... no one knew what the $#@! was going on with 911; everyone was in a frenzy over it. Ron Paul did regret that decision and spoke about it.

    This is now a new age and Trump is full on bombing countries and there will be no apology. It seems that you may be the hypocrite.
    ^This 1000 times. We are being overrun with Trump trolls who lack the common decency for honest conversation. Not all Trump supporters are Trump Trolls, but @<u><a href="http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=36325" target="_blank">RPtotheWH</a></u> is.

    Edit: And you hit the nail on the head when you said "there will be no apology." Trump supporters can't hide behind the "Well Trump makes mistakes too" excuse because Trump never admits to making mistakes. And in this case we have enough information ahead of time to know going back into Iraq indefinitely with no clear purpose is stupid.

    Last edited by jmdrake; 03-28-2017 at 07:48 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Uh... no one knew what the $#@! was going on with 911; everyone was in a frenzy over it. Ron Paul did regret that decision and spoke about it.

    This is now a new age and Trump is full on bombing countries and there will be no apology. It seems that you may be the hypocrite.
    Two distinct occasions of the media apologizing for covering something too much. They apologized after 9/11 and after Trump won the nomination. Both times people high up in the government seemed to have unfettered access to the MSM- to which pretty much they could write the news. The question comes to mind is would they apologize if they were not "caught".



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Two things.

    1: The bolded is almost certainly false.

    2: Anyone that clueless has no business as janitor at a middle school, much less being POTUS.
    You are definitely not a team player. How could anybody work with you with these unrealistic expectations toward others?!

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You are definitely not a team player. How could anybody work with you with these unrealistic expectations toward others?!
    What on earth are you talking about?
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I answered your questions. I don't have a reading comprehension problem. You have a lying problem. It's all here for anyone to see. Here is the exact quote:

    So did you freak out when Ron made that vote and call his supporters Paulettes or are you a hypocrite? Trump is going to make mistakes no doubt about it, it seems you gave Ron Paul a do-over though.........

    The lie from you is that if I didn't "freak out" over Ron voting to send troops into Afghanistan to take out Osama Bin Laden I am a hypocrite. Well I did not "freak out" and I am not a hypocrite. If you are too stupid to understand the difference between Ron Paul making a sensible vote for what he hoped was limited action to take out Osama Bin Laden, and Donald Trump's defense secretary now saying we should stay in Iraq for years then that's on you.

    Now, I've answer your question again. And this time I quoted you. It's time for you to man up and answer my questions and quote me. Where have I "freaked out" because Donald Trump make an excusable mistake? Quote me or shut up. Where did I call Trump supporters hypocrites when they weren't actually being hypocrites? Quote me or shut up. Enough of your games. Man up or shut up.
    Ron Paul can do what he hopes is a sensible move and have it backfire, but no one else? Interesting, You sound like a reasonable person. Again I asked a question, I did not make a statement, need me to post the definition of that too? Actually I asked like 10 questions, you answered about 1 and barely at that. How can someone lie when asking a question? If you weren't missing a chromosome you could have just said you are neither and explained why, instead you slipped into autistic screeching.

    I had no idea you were asking questions when you were typing fvck 10 times. It's hard to see any rational thought in there. You represent Ron Paul and the liberty movement well. You don't think the post with all those fvcks in it was freaking out? I see that you don't hold traditional definitions of everyday words.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    He's not saving any money.
    All I know so far is that in the first 2 months the debt was reduced by $100 billion [1]. Has this changed? Will it change?

    I think the guy just enjoys kicking ass economically, and it seems the Presidency is his latest proving grounds.

    He's seemingly wasted a lot of money in NASA /offense budget spending. However he might think it's necessary for enforcing the international reserve currency racket, so he might see it as a net gain, whether it is or (probably) not. He might also just be paying off the military, Roman emperor-style, to ensure he doesn't get couped by the deep state commies.

    [1] https://www.theissue.com/politics/us...first-2-months
    Last edited by MRK; 03-28-2017 at 06:31 PM.

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