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Funnily, I don't see the disaster.
Yes, Obamacare still exists, now it is time to just abolish it.
Two years from now, GOP victory.
As the bills rise exponentially, the people will cry for a change.
America is too sick for socialized medicine to ever work on it. Drugs and obesity.
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...120_story.html‘The closer’? The inside story of how Trump tried — and failed — to make a deal on health care
By Robert Costa, Ashley Parker and Philip Rucker March 24 at 9:19 PM
Shortly after House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) unveiled the Republican health-care plan on March 6, President Trump sat in the Oval Office and queried his advisers: “Is this really a good bill?”
And over the next 18 days, until the bill collapsed in the House on Friday afternoon in a humiliating defeat — the sharpest rebuke yet of Trump’s young presidency and his negotiating skills — the question continued to nag at the president.
Even as he thrust himself and the trappings of his office into selling the health-care bill, Trump peppered his aides again and again with the same concern, usually after watching cable news reports chronicling the setbacks, according to two of his advisers: “Is this really a good bill?”
In the end, the answer was no — in part because the president himself seemed to doubt it.
“We were a little bit shy — very little, but it was still a little bit shy, so we pulled it,” Trump said Friday afternoon in an interview with The Washington Post.
For Trump, it was never supposed to be this hard. As a real estate mogul on the rise, he wrote “The Art of the Deal,” and as a political candidate, he boasted that nobody could make deals as beautifully as he could. Replacing Obamacare, a Republican bogeyman since the day it was enacted seven years ago, was Trump’s first chance to prove that he had the magic touch that he claimed eluded Washington.
[Balz: A postponed health-care vote, a big GOP embarrassment and no good options ahead]
But Trump’s effort was plagued from the beginning. The bill itself would have violated a number of Trump’s campaign promises, driving up premiums for millions of citizens and throwing millions more off health insurance — including many of the working-class voters who gravitated to his call to “make America great again.” Trump was unsure about the American Health Care Act, though he ultimately dug in for the win, as he put it.
There were other problems, too. Trump never made a real effort to reach out to Democrats, and he was unable to pressure enough of his fellow Republicans. He did not speak fluently about the bill’s details and focused his pitch in purely transactional terms. And he failed to appreciate the importance of replacing Obamacare to the Republican base; for the president, it was an obstacle to move past to get to taxes, trade and the rest of his agenda.
Trump’s advisers thought he could nudge the bill over the finish line by sheer force of personality. “He is the closer,” White House press secretary Sean Spicer boasted on Wednesday.
But by Friday, it was clear that the closer could not close.
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“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Yes Democrats well use this as means to get a signal payer system pass, complete Government bureaucratic control over your healthcare.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Not sure I agree. The liberals/left wants more government involvement in healthcare. The center/center-right wants some government involvement but not too much. The right/far-right wants very little government involvement in healthcare. There is money behind all three parts, especially the center and the right. The voters tend to heavily support the far-left and the center, and while money is important, politicians are wary of angry voters.
When it comes to taxes, the entire Republican party is united behind lower taxes. The only point of contention would be that some Republicans want to cut taxes on the rich and raise them on the middle-class to maintain the deficit; this is very toxic to voters so some Republicans in weaker districts will protest, as will many Democrats. The blue-dog Democrats are equally eager to cut taxes on the rich, as long as taxes on the middle class are not raised. But there is pretty much no money behind the "raise taxes" wing; taxes are raised because politicians are forced to be fiscally responsible, not because special interests or voters forced them to. For the most part, all the big donors want drastic cuts in taxes. As long as everyone gets a cut, voters will generally go along with it.
Insurance companies choosing their own prices is part of the free market, not a penalty. I also surprised this bill did no include free market reforms, but not getting all of what we want is not a reason to oppose repealing some of what we don't. As Rand Paul said, no everything has to be done in the same bill. We could still have tried to get a free-market bill through later. Can you expect free market reforms when Trump goes to the moderate Democrats to make some tweaks to the current law?
The blame still rests with democrats as long as O-care is in place. If Republicans pass a bill that is equally bad or perhaps even worse than the current Obamacare crap, then the burden of blame shifts to them for giving us a crappy system.
I don't think any Republican, moderate or Freedom Caucus member, wants that.
The only thing worse than a fully socialist, government-run program is one that puts just enough hint of capitalist characteristics in it that in the event that it fails (which it will because gov't will get the final say in that partnership), capitalism gets blamed. That's essentially what Paul Ryan was going for last week.
I think perhaps you had your hopes too high that this was going to be a simple matter. Don't forget that by and large, Republicans govern like republicans. It's the democrats who move swiftly because as soon as 51% of them agree, they bring out the battering ram and push things through, consequences-be-damned.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
Sooner or later, they will. And they'll be right ...
The so-called "debt ceiling" has never been anything but an irrelevant bit of diversionary fluff.
After all, what can the concept of a "debt ceiling" possibly mean when they can conjure money into existence just by typing some numbers into a computer?
The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
The debt ceiling is valuable insofar as it allows one house, or the president, to kill otherwise "mandatory" spending.
...not this House, not this Senate, not this President, but some at some point.
There are few issues more important for posterity; fiscal conservatives should be ready to die on this hill.
'The rule is jam tomorrow and jam yesterday but never jam today."
If fiscal conservatives (so called) should by dying, it should be on the hill of something like commodity standards derived and enforced by markets - and certainly not on the hill of gimmicks for the preservation and promotion of the pretense that a fiat system can be constrained and managed responsibly.
There would be little or no need for contrivances such as "debt ceilings" under commodity money standards, because such standards would inherently limit the State's capacity to spend. States implement and enforce fiat systems precisely in order to get around such limitations in the first place. The post hoc bolting of poor and toothless imitations of those constraints onto the edifice of fiat is like installing smoke alarms without batteries after the house has already caught fire ...
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