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    2 days later, US media is starting to do tentative little stories about this.
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    Last edited by undergroundrr; 03-25-2017 at 01:40 PM.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Apparently MSM only seems to care when supposed Russia does the killing. According to the MSM the US/EU are the "good guys narrative"
    The establishment MIC media has their priorities. No time to talk about expanding, undeclared wars. More important to cover a tweet from Trump about Obama 24x7 for a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    What makes you say that?




    Who pays you to say that? or are you naturally that phucking stupid?
    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...ama-in-a-year/

    Undeterred by the disastrous commando raid on Yemen in the first days of his Administration, where plenty of civilians were killed but the target got away, President Donald Trump has escalated US military involvement in the tragic Yemen conflict to an unprecedented level. In fact as Foreign Policy reports, the US President has bombed Yemen more in the past week than President Obama (no peacenik) has bombed in a year.

    But although the US escalation in Yemen is sold back home as another aggressive front in the war against al-Qaeda, in fact US operations in Yemen are actually helping al-Qaeda as well as its chief sponsor, Saudi Arabia.

    The problem is that because his advisors are increasingly drawn from the neocon camp, the advice he is given is filtered through the "noble lie" that the neocons view as the central tenet of their faith. Thus even though the main enemies of al-Qaeda in Yemen are the Houthis, because Trump has been sold the neocon lie that the Houthis are Iranian proxies Trump is droning Yemen back to the stone age to the advantage of al-Qaeda and Saudi Arabia, who are on the same side.

    While it is arguable that the President has authority under the authorization for the use of military force against those attacked us on 9/11 to attack al-Qaeda in Yemen, very few would argue that such authorization extends to actually helping al-Qaeda in Yemen.

    Meanwhile, US drone attacks are killing civilians in Yemen and contributing to the genocide of the Yemeni people whose only crime is to have rejected a president who ran unopposed -- a US-backed "Arab Spring" candidate -- and who immediately approved US drone strikes on his own country.

    The Trump State Department is going all in. A sale of anti-Houthi weapons to Saudi Arabia that even the Obama administration rejected was hastily approved by the new Administration and soon will be deployed in Saudi Arabia's war of aggression against its neighbor.

    The Trump Administration is doubling down on all of President Obama's mistakes. Siding with al-Qaeda in Yemen on the false notion that it is fighting a proxy war against Iran.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    It's terrible. Trump didn't start this war. He will end it by pulling out
    Ummmm......but we had already pulled out. And Trump, who falsely claimed to have been against the Iraq war from the beginning, jumped on the stupid GOP "ISIS is because Obama pulled out of Iraq too soon" bandwagon. The Iraq/Iran coalition already had ISIS on the run before Trump took office. In fact the Iraqi army had made major gains in Mosul back at the beginning of the month but they have now suspended Mosul operations in the wake of civilian losses.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/middle...-mosul-bridge/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...trike-atrocity

    Soooo.....what's the plan again?
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I dunno about that. He already bombed Yemen (something Obama didn't do) and is increasing forces and actions in Syria. He is threatening Iran and North Korea and wants more money for defense and more forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    What makes you say that?





    Who pays you to say that? or are you naturally that phucking stupid?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...ama-in-a-year/

    Undeterred by the disastrous commando raid on Yemen in the first days of his Administration, where plenty of civilians were killed but the target got away, President Donald Trump has escalated US military involvement in the tragic Yemen conflict to an unprecedented level. In fact as Foreign Policy reports, the US President has bombed Yemen more in the past week than President Obama (no peacenik) has bombed in a year.
    Zippy, you realize your own source proves you wrong right? You said Obama didn't bomb Yemen. But your source said Trump bombed Yemen more than Obama bombed Yemen which proves that Obama bombed Yemen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    https://twitter.com/airwars/status/845258614092840961



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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Zippy, you realize your own source proves you wrong right? You said Obama didn't bomb Yemen. But your source said Trump bombed Yemen more than Obama bombed Yemen which proves that Obama bombed Yemen.
    He is really slipping. His employer's probably got him in the corner for a timeout.
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  11. #39
    UK press is reporting that Mosul operation been suspended. Policies conducted under Trump's command wil be his responsibility even if he inherited a horrible mideast mess from Obama.
    US media neocons silence so far has been stunning... is this part of DGP legacy defense tactic by media owners or something else is the reason for media blackout so far?

    Iraq suspends Mosul offensive after coalition airstrike atrocity

    Move comes as international outrage grows over airstrikes that killed at least 150 people in Mosul Jadida neighbourhood


    Resident of Mosul Jadida retrieve bodies from the rubble following the coalition airstrikes. Photograph: Felipe Dana/AP
    artin Chulov in Mosul, and Emma Graham-Harrison
    Saturday 25 March 2017

    Iraqi military leaders have halted their push to recapture west Mosul from Islamic State as international outrage grew over the civilian toll from airstrikes that killed at least 150 people in a single district of the city.

    The attack on the Mosul Jadida neighbourhood is thought to have been one of the deadliest bombing raids for civilians since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Rescuers were still pulling bodies from the rubble on Saturday, more than a week after the bombs landed, when the US-led coalition confirmed that its aircraft had targeted Isis fighters in the area.
    They carried out the attack on 17 March “at the request of the Iraqi security forces”, and have now launched a formal investigation into reports of civilian casualties, the coalition said.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...trike-atrocity




    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2017/march/09/bomb-the-shstart-out-of-them-trump-drones-yemen-more-in-one-week-than-obama-in-a-year/

    But although the US escalation in Yemen is sold back home as another aggressive front in the war against al-Qaeda, in fact US operations in Yemen are actually helping al-Qaeda as well as its chief sponsor, Saudi Arabia.


    Some had suggested during recent years of ISIS birthing/cultivation and bloodbath campaigns in Syria/Iraq/Libya/Yemen etc that DGP's masters included wealthy mideast dictators among domestic masters.
    Do you agree with such assertions?

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Those were the days... Someone with honest integrity who wasn't afraid to tell the truth and the liars in D.C. and the bought press did everything to shoot the messenger... If his message was actually covered fairly I believe the people would have voted the good Dr. into the white house and by now we would have peace and prosperity!
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  16. #43
    Coalition air strikes 'kill more than 200 people' in Mosul

    An Iraqi woman and her daughter stand on a street holding a white flag as Iraqi security forces secure Mosul's Dawasa neighbouhood Credit: AFP


    • Josie Ensor, Beirut


    23 March 2017 • 2:07pm More than 200 civilians are reported to have been killed in a single US-led coalition raid on Mosul, as the United Nations warns the worst was yet to come for those still trapped in the Iraqi city.
    Some 230 bodies of mostly women and children were pulled from three adjoining houses in the Jadida neighbourhood of west Mosul overnight Wednesday and into Thursday morning, according to witnesses.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...uilding-mosul/





    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post


    Was there any connection between US Media's blackout of 200 civilians deaths in Iraq and this claim of ISIS terrorists in UK media?



    ‘BLOOD FOR BLOOD’
    Parliament terror attack celebrated by ISIS as revenge for airstrikes in Mosul

    Sick fanatics took to social media to celebrate the terror attack on the Capital

    By Olivia Loveridge-Greene and Patrick Knox
    22nd March 2017, 5:28 pm

    ISIS supporters have taken to social media to celebrate the terror attack on Westminster which has left four people dead and many more “catastrophically” injured.
    The terror fanatics dubbed the Nice and Berlin copycat attack “revenge” for the UK strikes in Mosul, Iraq calling it “blood for blood”.


    'She was horrified'



    GET IN THE CAR, PM!
    Moment Theresa May runs the WRONG way before being bundled into car by armed security team
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/315339...ikes-in-mosul/




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    London Parliament Attack: Media Coverage Triggers Criticism in Britain
    by Saphora Smith

    LONDON — The near-blanket coverage of the car-and-knife attack on the British Parliament has triggered questions about whether the vast amount of reporting actually helps the terrorists' cause.
    In "sensationalizing and dramatizing a crime" committed by a possibly deranged person, the British media had become "a megaphone for the act," said Simon Jenkins, a former editor of The Times of London.
    "No one is supposing we shouldn't cover this outrage but editors have a decision about how much prominence you give it and it's grossly disproportionate," he told NBC News.
    The front pages of U.K. daily newspapers reporting on the March 22 terror attack in central London Daniel Sorabji / AFP - Getty Images
    The London attacker Khalid Masood — born Adrian Russell Ajao — killed an American tourist, a police officer and two others outside of the Houses of Parliament on Wednesday. Police said on Friday they were looking into how he was radicalized.
    By covering the crime "as if 9/11 has come to London is ridiculous," Jenkins said, adding that the media had essentially become "an accomplice" of terrorists by giving them the publicity.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Ummmm......but we had already pulled out. And Trump, who falsely claimed to have been against the Iraq war from the beginning, jumped on the stupid GOP "ISIS is because Obama pulled out of Iraq too soon" bandwagon. The Iraq/Iran coalition already had ISIS on the run before Trump took office. In fact the Iraqi army had made major gains in Mosul back at the beginning of the month but they have now suspended Mosul operations in the wake of civilian losses.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/middle...-mosul-bridge/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...trike-atrocity

    Soooo.....what's the plan again?
    Stop reading propaganda. We were in Syria covertly.

    And all of a sudden us kiling civilians is also not incidental. We adopted Russian strategy of prioritizing success over collateral dmg. For better or worse this will bring the war to a quicker end.
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    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    We adopted Russian strategy of prioritizing success over collateral dmg. For better or worse this will bring the war to a quicker end.
    Au contraire. Leaving aside the Stalinist war criminal baby killer aspect for a moment, it will send terrorist recruitment through the roof and ensure perpetual ME war for trump's MIC handlers. The nicest thing one could say about trump is that he's too ignorant of history and human nature to understand this. A Ron Paul supporter should recognize this dynamic immediately, not pop off neocon shill cakewalk nonsense.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  19. #46
    Not too easy for US military. ISIS is dug-in to a still-populated city, with tunnels n stuff, moving around house to house.

    So wat do? Send in ground forces, knocking house to house 'r u terririst'?' Or ensure the safety of your own men and do your best to killum from the air?

    [EDIT] I am not military trained and do not know anything about this stuff.
    Last edited by merkelstan; 03-26-2017 at 11:29 AM.

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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Au contraire. Leaving aside the Stalinist war criminal baby killer aspect for a moment, it will send terrorist recruitment through the roof and ensure perpetual ME war for trump's MIC handlers. The nicest thing one could say about trump is that he's too ignorant of history and human nature to understand this. A Ron Paul supporter should recognize this dynamic immediately, not pop off neocon shill cakewalk nonsense.
    I recognize it is better to never be there in the first place. Also they have no problem with recruitment either way. There are a lot of factors. Making human shields an obsolete tactic has its bonuses too. Also human shields might start fighting captors if they know Americans don't care and will bomb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.



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  23. #49
    500 killed in probable US Mosul airstrike: civil defence

    The number of victims in the recent Mosul air raids has risen to 511 people, including 187 children under the age of 15, Iraqi officials have said.
    The strikes in western Mosul where US-backed troops are fighting the Islamic State group are currently under investigation by Iraqi authorities.

    "We don't know where more bodies will turn up as some have been blasted hundreds of metres from the location of the airstrike," Laith Sattar of the civil defence force told The New Arab.

    "Until now the number of victims has reached 511. Around 200 of the bodies remain unidentified because of the severity of the blast has totally destroyed their facial features," he said.

    Sattar said that the attack was the deadliest bombing raids for civilians since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    "A team of international investigators arrived at the site early on Sunday," he added.

    An Iraqi military official told The New Arab that whoever carried out the attack may have used internationally banned weapons.

    "Six of these bombs destroyed the targeted street and three adjacent alleys. The charred state of the dead bodies and fused iron and deep craters left by the bombs could not have been from normal weaponry," the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, claimed.

    The Iraqi speaker of parliament, Salim al-Jubouri, expressed concern on Saturday about the air raid.

    "What's happening in west Mosul is extremely serious, security agencies must investigate the reason why hundreds of innocent civilians have been killed," Jubouri tweeted.

    It was unclear who carried out the airstrikes, but on Friday the US-led coalition against IS said it was investigating the allegations.

    The coalition, which has been bombing the extremists for more than two and a half years, said it had struck a location in west Mosul where civilians were reportedly killed.

    "An initial review of strike data... indicates that, at the request of the Iraqi security forces, the coalition struck [IS] fighters and equipment, March 17, in west Mosul at the location corresponding to allegations of civilian casualties," it said in a statement.
    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...-civil-defence
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    I recognize it is better to never be there in the first place. Also they have no problem with recruitment either way. There are a lot of factors. Making human shields an obsolete tactic has its bonuses too. Also human shields might start fighting captors if they know Americans don't care and will bomb.
    Tactics of Russia/Israel would not work for US given the history of Iraq war and US role there/recent popular insurgency in Iraq against a "foreign invader", deep US interests embedded throughout Arab world and relatively much bigger exposure around the world, very different US demographics & societies. Unlike Israel/Russia , US is still nota closed state despite great progress made towards being a security centric police state in the past decade following 9/11/mideast wars launch.

    Looking at recent foreign policy history and resultimg changes in US/UK, an argument could be made that all recent major political/cultural/systemic changes in the US (from 9/11 to US Iraq invasion, gradual phase out of civil liberties, intrusive TSA checkpoits , growing mass surveillance Police State, election of America's "first muslim President", Obamacare, election of first muslim mayor of London etc) were all directly linked to "heavy collateral damage" policies like US military support for "deterrent" bombings of Palestinians and US bombing of Iraqi civilains shelter in Iraq in 199Os Iraq war. A bombed Iraq civilians shelter museum was reportedly visited by some of 9/11 hijackers and some US 9/11 families had visited that shelter as an expression of finding solidarity with innocent Iraqi victims of violence.


    9-11 FAMILIES IN IRAQ Visit bombed shelter on 6-day peace mission

    BY Greg Gittrich
    Thursday, January 9, 2003

    As U.S. troops massed in the region, relatives of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks visited a Baghdad shelter bombed during the Gulf War and sang songs of peace with Iraqi children yesterday. "Suffering is universal," said Kristina Olsen, 44, a nurse from Massachusetts whose sister was aboard one of the hijacked jets that exploded into the World Trade Center. "It connects us, and we've bonded together in that suffering.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.659672



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIiH9OuH6gI




    US public mood swings to extremes from patriotic love of Bush's Iraq invasion in 2003 to a radiacl shift in 2008 with election of an "anti war" son of a black Muslim man to the White House. Instead of capitulation from fringe extreme groups that many see as US creation, more likely possible scenarios from repeat of large civilian collateral damage/blowbacks cycle of the past could be:

    A- US becoming a fully security centric Police State like Israel, with racial profilings and threats fear driven world view
    B- A sharp "appeasement/apology" U-turn again during next couple of election cycles with extreme actions like election of a mideast heredity President having first name "Hussein" and last name "Sadiq Khan".
    C- Some mix of A / B


    Just quick probable outcomes projection that I concede is backward looking but based on actual history.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Stop reading propaganda. We were in Syria covertly.

    And all of a sudden us kiling civilians is also not incidental. We adopted Russian strategy of prioritizing success over collateral dmg. For better or worse this will bring the war to a quicker end.
    Why keep pussy footing around? Neutron bombs were invented for clearing the riff raff while keeping the infrastructure intact.


  26. #52
    Would be curious to see how many would see "Jesus" type figure in mid transition of this cloud if this graphic is used as an ink blot test.

    But p-word footing is very necessary now; today's US demographics and civilians civil rights culture are radically different from those of 1940s era and mideast is not an isolated Island like Japan.. even if both regions shared some traits like "kamikaze" tactics.




  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Why keep pussy footing around? Neutron bombs were invented for clearing the riff raff while keeping the infrastructure intact.

    We will get to that. We have not seen the last of nukes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Tactics of Russia/Israel would not work for US given the history of Iraq war and US role there/recent popular insurgency in Iraq against a "foreign invader", deep US interests embedded throughout Arab world and relatively much bigger exposure around the world, very different US demographics & societies. Unlike Israel/Russia , US is still nota closed state despite great progress made towards being a security centric police state in the past decade following 9/11/mideast wars launch.

    Looking at recent foreign policy history and resultimg changes in US/UK, an argument could be made that all recent major political/cultural/systemic changes in the US (from 9/11 to US Iraq invasion, gradual phase out of civil liberties, intrusive TSA checkpoits , growing mass surveillance Police State, election of America's "first muslim President", Obamacare, election of first muslim mayor of London etc) were all directly linked to "heavy collateral damage" policies like US military support for "deterrent" bombings of Palestinians and US bombing of Iraqi civilains shelter in Iraq in 199Os Iraq war. A bombed Iraq civilians shelter museum was reportedly visited by some of 9/11 hijackers and some US 9/11 families had visited that shelter as an expression of finding solidarity with innocent Iraqi victims of violence.


    9-11 FAMILIES IN IRAQ Visit bombed shelter on 6-day peace mission

    BY Greg Gittrich
    Thursday, January 9, 2003

    As U.S. troops massed in the region, relatives of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks visited a Baghdad shelter bombed during the Gulf War and sang songs of peace with Iraqi children yesterday. "Suffering is universal," said Kristina Olsen, 44, a nurse from Massachusetts whose sister was aboard one of the hijacked jets that exploded into the World Trade Center. "It connects us, and we've bonded together in that suffering.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.659672



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIiH9OuH6gI




    US public mood swings to extremes from patriotic love of Bush's Iraq invasion in 2003 to a radiacl shift in 2008 with election of an "anti war" son of a black Muslim man to the White House. Instead of capitulation from fringe extreme groups that many see as US creation, more likely possible scenarios from repeat of large civilian collateral damage/blowbacks cycle of the past could be:

    A- US becoming a fully security centric Police State like Israel, with racial profilings and threats fear driven world view
    B- A sharp "appeasement/apology" U-turn again during next couple of election cycles with extreme actions like election of a mideast heredity President having first name "Hussein" and last name "Sadiq Khan".
    C- Some mix of A / B


    Just quick probable outcomes projection that I concede is backward looking but based on actual history.
    At some point it will be one terrorist attack too many. And then we will start really fighting.

    We shouldn't fight. But this is what will happen. A. We go bankrupt. or B. We will bomb the $#@! out of anything that moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    At some point it will be one terrorist attack too many. And then we will start really fighting.
    ...

    ...anyone not a brainwashed goddamned republicrat fool knows that your stinking republicrats are the world champion 'terrorists'...get a grip...and a dictionary, republican-radio parrot..

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Stop reading propaganda. We were in Syria covertly.
    Stop lying. I never said we were not in Syria covertly. I said we pulled out of Iraq.

    And all of a sudden us kiling civilians is also not incidental. We adopted Russian strategy of prioritizing success over collateral dmg. For better or worse this will bring the war to a quicker end.
    Except the Iraq army already had ISIS on the run in Iraq and had now suspended its Mosul operations due to the bombing. Who cares how long it takes the Iraqi army to win as long as they are winning? You're starting to sound like Janet Reno. "Oh it's taking too long in Waco. We need to take out the Davidians for the children."
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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    At some point it will be one terrorist attack too many. And then we will start really fighting.

    We shouldn't fight. But this is what will happen. A. We go bankrupt. or B. We will bomb the $#@! out of anything that moves.
    And the reason we are bombing civilians in Iraq is because......?
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    So wat do? Send in ground forces, knocking house to house 'r u terririst'?' Or ensure the safety of your own men and do your best to killum from the air?
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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by H. E. Panqui View Post
    ...

    ...anyone not a brainwashed goddamned republicrat fool knows that your stinking republicrats are the world champion 'terrorists'...get a grip...and a dictionary, republican-radio parrot..
    Oh God get out of your loser mindset. Define it as you like. You triggered on definition of terrorism.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Stop lying. I never said we were not in Syria covertly. I said we pulled out of Iraq.

    Except the Iraq army already had ISIS on the run in Iraq and had now suspended its Mosul operations due to the bombing. Who cares how long it takes the Iraqi army to win as long as they are winning? You're starting to sound like Janet Reno. "Oh it's taking too long in Waco. We need to take out the Davidians for the children."
    Extrapolate that to Iraq. We are much more involved, then Obama was letting on.

    The fighting was suspended because Russia decided to pay us back and spammed everyone with civilian deaths. We did it to them too. Did you think Syrian regime just suspended their operations around Allepo when news was filled with news of civilian deaths there?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And the reason we are bombing civilians in Iraq is because......?
    They are human shields. They are protecting military objectives. We been bombing civilians before, especially when operation began.

    This is not an endorsement of war. But if you fighting do it right.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Knee-jerk Trumpers are already on the defense. Those weren't civilians, all terrorists, we're the best, etc:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6439513


    I predict that mysteriously, some of the loudest opponents of Obama's drone programs will be silent on Trump's. Code Pink 2.0, I suppose.
    You may be correct, but what if they were?

    How does one tell civilians from the rest? Is there a formula? Perhaps the drones have new Insta-Cog(tm) software?

    Is Trump throwing good money after bad? Or is he being faithful to the admittedly rotten commitment made by the "USA" in the region? After all, things were stable prior to our interference. Have we no obligation to right the wrongs we've made? Just asking questions, mind you. No implicit value judgments here.

    But there IS something educational in all this. Bush^1 and Clinton went in, each semi-erect. Bush^2 went in with a fair to raging erection. Obama can't get it up, as he is gay and making believe he is straight, but remained in any event. Now Trump appears to be doubling down on the old mistake.

    So now ask yourselves this: if presumably intelligent adults have not seen the light, then what is wrong with the picture? Twenty six years of unending war and nobody is pulling out? Something is verily amiss here. But what? Trump is not an idiot. Obama... not so sure, but lets give him the benefit of doubt. GWB: Hate him if you want (I certainly don't care for the man), but he's not quite an imbecile. Clinton may be scum, but he's smart scum. Bush^1 was no piker, either. So why, pray tell, have all these men kept us in this state of perpetual war for going on three decades?

    I have no definite answer, but only my usual speculations. There IS an answer to this, but what is it? What is the actual, no guessing, no bull$#@!, no lies truth of it?
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