Liberal Republicans Paul Ryan and President Trump made a final offer, Rand and the Conservatives rejected it. Should Rand and Conservative company compromise on a full repeal of Obamacare and vote for Ryan/Trumpcare called by many Obamacare lite?
Repeal it. Up/Down. Then correct the market by extracting the government from it.
Seriously? What the hell are you thinking OP?
The reason the bill isn't passing is because CONSERVATIVES didn't vote for it because it did not include enough free market reforms. What in God's holy name makes you think there should be a compromise with the left?? Obviously that will NEVER work.
The correct course of action is to repeal and replace with free market reforms.
That is what Trump wants to happen, that is what he is helping Rand to do if you are paying attention and watching Rand's interviews on TV.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
As always with the question of compromise, the devil is in the details.
The exact compromise proposed would determine the answer to your question.
Based on the kind of compromise we usually get with Liberals my instinctive bias would be NO.
This poll is both missing some sort of option about Kludge, and also the obviously correct option which is:
✔ Eliminate the Fillibuster and then Full-Repeal, Full-Free-Market, Full-Speed Ahead!
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Originally Posted by dannno
Last edited by dannno; 03-23-2017 at 05:27 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
No, this is you trying to find a way to reconcile what you want to believe with what is really happening. That's it. That's all.
Face it, Dannno. There is absolutely zero ways that Trump didn't come out of this a "winner" to you. Because no matter what he does or says, you will choose to believe he's really on your side. Molyneaux's got you all kinds of messed up.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Compromise has taken us places.
Yep, Trump's support of the AHCA bill shows him to be liberal leaning. So if he is playing games by acting like he likes it, and is really against it, he will look like an idiot.
BAD Places.Compromise has taken us places.
i don't care about trump. Show us where you stand and vote in this poll.
In the five times you've managed to tweak it pretty good. Try one more time. I'm just not sold.
You don't have the correct poll options. I said in my first post - repeal and replace with free market reforms.
You are the one pandering to the left by not implementing what the voters wanted.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
That falls under the full repeal Rand is fighting for.
What if conservatives are liberals? #redpill
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams
Classical Liberal?
I don't like to give them the satisfaction of labeling me a "classical" liberal, allowing them to claim liberal for themselves.
These people are social engineers. They are utopian socialists (including varieties such as National Socialists and Communists) and should never be referred to any other way.
The 19th Century saw the rise of three political ideologies:
1. Monarchists (Noble Rights)
2. Socialists (Civil Rights)
3. Liberals (Natural Rights)
We are the liberals.
Conservatives in Europe = Monarchists
Conservatives in America = Liberals
Conservatives = Liberals
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Seconded
LOL
someday that will be fixed
Isaiah 32:5
“The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.”
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1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.
2 And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest; as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land.
3 And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken.
4 The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly.
5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.
9 Rise up, ye women that are at ease; hear my voice, ye careless daughters; give ear unto my speech.
10 Many days and years shall ye be troubled, ye careless women: for the vintage shall fail, the gathering shall not come.
11 Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.
12 They shall lament for the teats, for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine.
13 Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city:
14 Because the palaces shall be forsaken; the multitude of the city shall be left; the forts and towers shall be for dens for ever, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks;
15 Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.
16 Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.
17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
18 And my people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation, and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places;
19 When it shall hail, coming down on the forest; and the city shall be low in a low place.
20 Blessed are ye that sow beside all waters, that send forth thither the feet of the ox and the ass.
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What part are you laughing at? The part about how Trump would be blamed if he didn't support the bill instead of Paul Ryan? I mean, that seems pretty reasonable to me. If Trump wants Paul Ryan out, wasn't this a good plan? I mean, it looks like it may happen.
Sorry if Trump is always two steps ahead of you.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I agree with you and forgive me for my use of their language in this post.
The part where you attempt to spin single-payer advocate Donald Trump's full-throated support for Obamacare Lite as opposition thereto.
No worries. It's good to remember that tyrants and charlatans always try to destroy the plain meaning of words, and that in order to defeat them you must challenge their manipulations head-on. Cheers!
And no matter what he does or says, you will choose to believe he's never on your side.
You could be right, Danno could be right, you both could be wrong. That's because your dealing in theories. None of you have all the facts. Chill out.
Well, Trump says we have a choice between Obamacare and Trumpcare. Maybe @TheTexan can tell us how we can compromise between the two.
John McCain isn't really a warmongering leftist; he's just been playing a caricature all these years, to make the real ones look bad.
...could be right, could be wrong, just theories either rway, don't have all the facts.
Amiright?
And Danno is dealing in theories about deception/trickery, that require a mind-meld with the Prez to prove or disprove, only long term hindsight analysis in the future will even help, until then either side can believe what ever they want, without being disproved.
McCain has a long record of making things worse, Dump may yet acquire the same, but until then you can't disprove Danno.
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