I don't understand. Can you rephrase that?Originally Posted by timosman
Think for a second what if you happen to be on the wrong end of the worldwide outrage for not opposing the terror.
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
LOL Yeah, that's where trump is. Ending the war on terror, 50 babies at a time.
[QUOTE]Reports: US Airstrikes Killed 230 Civilians in Mosul Overnight
Over 130 Civilians Killed in Attack on a Single Building in Western Mosul
by Jason Ditz, March 23, 2017
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As the US airstrikes in the Iraqi city of Mosul are increasingly concentrated around densely populated neighborhoods in the city’s west, the death toll from those airstrikes in spiraling rapidly out of control, with the most recent figures out of the area suggesting around 230 civilians were killed overnight in US and coalition strikes in just a single neighborhood.
That’s an enormous toll, of course, but is reported from several sources telling largely the same story, including that a single US airstrike against a large building full of civilians in Mosul killed over 130 people, while the other 100 or so were killed in the surrounding area.
Central Command said that they were “aware of the loss of life” and were carrying out “further investigation,” while insisting that all of their strikes against Mosul overnight “comply with the Law of Armed Conflict.” Centcom’s official report for the overnight strikes claimed they’d hit “11 fighting positions” and didn’t mention killing hundreds of civilians.
Britain’s Daily Telegraph reported that the civilian death toll was mostly women and children, saying that the bulk of the bodies were pulled from just three adjoining residences in the Jadida neighborhood. They speculated the civilians were “human shields” for ISIS snipers in the area.
That would be an awful lot of human shields, of course, and there wouldn’t be much point of stashing them inside buildings where the US forces clearly either didn’t know where they were or didn’t feel it amounted to a deterrent to bombing those buildings anyhow.
If the toll is ultimately confirmed by Centcom, which is a huge “if” given how often well documented incidents never end up on their official reports, it would roughly double the number of civilians the US has admitted to killing in Iraq and Syria over the ISIS war. NGOs have suggested the US strikes have killed well over 2,000 civilians already, and that’s not including last night’s massive toll.[QUOTE]
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Being against the neoconservative, leftist and MIC war on Russia is not the same as being "Russia fans". It's a big part of what Ron Paul talks about on a daily basis, so there is nothing weird about it being on this forum.
Now it should be obvious that an outlet like RT is going to be favorable to Russia, and not so favorable to US interests that are always trying to push Russia into a corner. They have an agenda, and it is helpful to them to have Ron Paul on to give his opinions on non-aggression. It doesn't mean that Ron is a "Russia fan".
Can you list forum members who are pro-Russia activists, as opposed to Ron Paul style peace, prosperity and anti-aggression people?
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They agree with the things that Russian state media says, and as a result they consume an enormous amount of propaganda.
ты ничего не знаешь
В России проблемы есть... дороги и дураки....
In America we speak American.
LOL Google translate
Muh roads!you know nothing
In Russia there are problems ... roads and fools ....
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
My personal view is that everybody is under surveillance by somebody. Everybody. I happen to think every president has been taped/spied on since 1926 or so. Sure presidents were spied on before then, but I think Hoover became, well, a vacuum. Obama may have thought that it was HE that was spying on Trump, but he were being spied on to. Pointing figures at trees in the middle of an Appalacian National Park is kind of rediculous
Exactly. They're doing this crap to practically all of us, which should be a huge scandal in and of itself.
The 2nd post is a pretty good response to the 1st post. The US is Jekyll Island while Russia is Jesse James.
What are those things exactly that 'they' (who I am guessing are the posters here who prefer good relations with Russia instead of bad relations) agree with in regards to what the Russian State media propaganda says? That the US government is supplying arms to terorists? That the US government is manufacturing coups, overthrowing elected leaders, and creating instability in the Middle East and elsewhere around the world?
Who is being deceived and what are the lies that 'they' have fallen for?
Please, since I imagine you think of me as being part of the they, tell me what Russian propaganda lies I have fallen for.
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+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
Zero (0)
What is, the number of $#@!s I give about pro-PATRIOT Act politician being spied on?
The same reason that so many people became Trump fans simply because they hated Hillary, or Obama fans simply because they hated Bush, etc.
...enemy of my enemy fallacy.
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Who is it 'they' hate then, that they want the US and Russia to have good relations?
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
It's one thing to oppose to the US' aggressive policy toward Russia (as virtually everyone at RPF has always done).
It's something else entirely to view the Russian state as some kid of champion of liberty (as some here do).
...let alone to think Trump and the Russian government are cooperating to "fight the establishment."
That is delusion.
Please give an example of a post that "views the Russian state as some kind of champion of liberty".
Please give an example of a post that even remotely suggests that "Trump and the Russian government are cooperating to 'fight the establishment.' "
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And it is something else entirely between viewing them as a champion of liberty and seeing them as allies in a fight against globalist and social agendas that some of us disagree with.
I wonder who are the ones being indoctrinated by state propoganda...
The ones who want to see better US-Russian relations, or the ones who see Russia as the greatest threat to the world and our worst enemy.
Last edited by TER; 03-24-2017 at 05:16 AM.
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
[QUOTE][QUOTE=undergroundrr;6438994]LOL Yeah, that's where trump is. Ending the war on terror, 50 babies at a time.
You missed a few important words, so I found them for you. Does any sane person think that these countries would ever admit "Yes the US bombed an ISIS stronghold and killed 50 members of ISIS."? Of course they are going to say it was women and children, just like when we talk about cutting domestic spending its always the police and firefighters that are getting cut.Reports: US Airstrikes Killed 230 Civilians in Mosul Overnight
Over 130 Civilians Killed in Attack on a Single Building in Western Mosul
by Jason Ditz, March 23, 2017
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As the US airstrikes in the Iraqi city of Mosul are increasingly concentrated around densely populated neighborhoods in the city’s west, the death toll from those airstrikes in spiraling rapidly out of control, with the most recent figures out of the area suggesting around 230 civilians were killed overnight in US and coalition strikes in just a single neighborhood.
That’s an enormous toll, of course, but is reported from several sources telling largely the same story, including that a single US airstrike against a large building full of civilians in Mosul killed over 130 people, while the other 100 or so were killed in the surrounding area.
Central Command said that they were “aware of the loss of life” and were carrying out “further investigation,” while insisting that all of their strikes against Mosul overnight “comply with the Law of Armed Conflict.” Centcom’s official report for the overnight strikes claimed they’d hit “11 fighting positions” and didn’t mention killing hundreds of civilians.
Britain’s Daily Telegraph reported that the civilian death toll was mostly women and children, saying that the bulk of the bodies were pulled from just three adjoining residences in the Jadida neighborhood. They speculated the civilians were “human shields” for ISIS snipers in the area.
That would be an awful lot of human shields, of course, and there wouldn’t be much point of stashing them inside buildings where the US forces clearly either didn’t know where they were or didn’t feel it amounted to a deterrent to bombing those buildings anyhow.
If the toll is ultimately confirmed by Centcom, which is a huge “if” given how often well documented incidents never end up on their official reports, it would roughly double the number of civilians the US has admitted to killing in Iraq and Syria over the ISIS war. NGOs have suggested the US strikes have killed well over 2,000 civilians already, and that’s not including last night’s massive toll.
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Not everybody, some people still speak English
Not necessarily everything, but some believe obvious propaganda such as Russian objectives in Syria or that Russian forces were not involved in combat in the Ukraine.
In anticipation of a "bluh America supports terrorists in Syria" and "bluh American coup in Ukraine" response, let me pre-emptively say that there are more choices available than just wholeheartedly swallowing either one set of propaganda or the other. Many people who claim to be critical thinkers are in fact just contrarians and seek out news which opposes mainstream sources, regardless of the accuracy or bias. Contrarians don't like grey areas. They're more interested in hearing things that they agree with than being told the truth.
Only Tories.Not everybody, some people still speak English
"Classified intelligence showing incidental collection of Trump team communications ... came from multiple sources, ...
The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources.
The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...urce-says.html
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
Who here said that Russian forces were not involved in combat in Ukraine?
What propaganda is there regarding the Russian objectives in Syria that you feel 'they' have been indoctrinated with?
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
I think your last sentence describes you exactly in this current debate.
You claim 'they' are being indoctrinated with false Russian propaganda. A friend of yours says that 'they' want better relations with Russia because they share a common enemy.
Who is the common enemy which is being referenced, and what are the propaganda lies which 'they' are being deceived in by Russian state media?
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
I think that it is totally reasonable for a president that is campaigning for one candidate to have access and spy on the opposing candidate.
what is the Russian objective in Syria?
Please, enlighten us with "the truth".They're more interested in hearing things that they agree with than being told the truth.
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I wouldn't go that far. It uses public funding, resources and force monopoly. But he's certainly welcome to hire private firms using his own money.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
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