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    Default Rand: Let’s ‘Smash’ Paul Ryan’s Obamacare Lite ‘to Smithereens’

    Exclusive — Rand Paul: Let’s ‘Smash’ Paul Ryan’s Obamacare Lite ‘to Smithereens’
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-smithereens/

    by SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY)15 Mar 2017
    Look, I’m a “glass is half full” kind of guy. You have to be. I try to stay positive. I try to keep thinking maybe, maybe someday CONGRESS will remember the vision of our Founding Fathers … and that those we elect will represent us, not the special interests.

    But Washington politicians are so far gone that the Constitution is not even an afterthought, and their master seems to be whatever industry funds them.

    It doesn’t have to be this way. We just had an election about change, about draining the swamp. President Trump promised to be different, and I believe he sincerely wants to be. But he is being taken for a ride through the swamp right now on “Obamacare Lite.”

    For four STRAIGHT elections, REPUBLICANS ran on repealing Obamacare, and now “Republican orthodoxy” — I’m told — is keeping insurance subsidies, mandates, taxes, and insurance company bailouts.

    That’s not acceptable to me. And it isn’t keeping our promise.

    Though I want to believe the glass is half full, I am tempted, very tempted, to smash a glass half full of Obamacare Lite — smash that glass to smithereens!

    When did Republicans begin to believe that insurance companies should be put on the dole? That they should be bailed out when any of their customers become sick?

    When did Republicans begin to believe that the federal government should force you to pay a penalty to a private insurance company if you can’t afford insurance?

    When did Republicans begin to believe that we should levy a special tax penalty on those who choose to buy really good health insurance?

    The current Ryan Plan — “Obamacare Lite” — is not about patients. It isn’t about better health care. It isn’t about lowering costs.

    It is, plain and simple, about getting more money to the insurance companies and running more of your life from Washington.

    I am a career physician. I spent years training and learning to be a doctor. I did it for patients. I don’t give a flip about guaranteeing the profits of insurance companies. And as a Senator, I shouldn’t, either.

    But in Washington, somehow, the whole debate seems to be about getting people insurance instead of getting people health care.

    Insurance doesn’t equate to health care. Just ask all the Obamacare recipients with $6,000 deductibles.

    I’m sick of the insurance companies putting me on hold and telling me to talk to their representative in a foreign country. Screw that.

    I’m sick of the government telling me I have to buy their crappy product, and I’m sick of watching us go into more and more debt to do it.

    We need a new way, and Obamacare Lite isn’t it.

    I want the consumer (aka patient) to be king. I want to empower the patient to get the health care they want at the price they want.

    I want to let every American be able to join a co-op to buy their health care. When that happens, the buying power returns to the patients.

    Instead of patients having to kiss the boots of insurance company executives, my plan would have insurance executives come on bended knee to the patient.

    The patient would be king.

    The patient, as part of a large buying group, would be able to negotiate lower prices and a policy where you can’t be dropped or ripped off if you become sick. The patient would be able to purchase exactly the type of coverage that suited her needs, without government mandates telling her what she must buy.

    ObamaCare forced every American to purchase a policy that included Pediatric Dental, whether you had children under eighteen or not. Is that freedom of choice? Why should you have to pay for something you cannot use? Good for the insurance industry, but bad for patients.

    As a physician and as a patient, I hate Obamacare. Obamacare jacked up insurance rates and created insurance monopolies.

    But the answer is not replacing the government mandate with an insurance mandate, which is exactly what Obamacare Lite does.

    I don’t feel any less manipulated by being forced to pay the insurance company a penalty instead of the government.

    I want the patient to be king. If you want to disrupt the apple cart, if you want to take away the monopoly power of insurance companies, do one thing — allow every individual in America to join a co-op, to join a buying group, to join an association health plan.

    The insurance CEOs hate the idea — which should be enough to tell you it might just empower the patient.

    So if you hated Obamacare and don’t care much for Ryan’s Obamacare Lite, maybe you ought to consider telling them all to take a hike and give you the option of joining a co-op. Give you the option of buying across state lines. Give you the option of having a YUGE Health Savings Account so you can spend your money how you want. I challenge the media to compare the price of LASIK surgery, contact lenses, and orthodontics in the last twenty years — prices come down when patients make decisions about what they are buying.

    While I am a “glass is half full” kind of guy, I also would love to give the middle finger to the man that profits off of government bailouts and forces his or her monopoly Brand of insurance schemes on an often worried and defenseless public.

    Just say no to Obamacare, to Obamacare Lite, and to any scheme to enrich the insurance cartel.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-smithereens/

    (It's racking up comments a mile a minute!)
    (At the top of the front page right now @ 2PM)
    Last edited by Valli6; 03-15-2017 at 12:00 PM.



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    Just say no to Obamacare, to Obamacare Lite, and to any scheme to enrich the insurance cartel.
    Like the idea . . .

    Ryancare is alot of hugging to Obamacare
    Last edited by Jan2017; 03-15-2017 at 12:22 PM.

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    Wow rand is getting massive organic positive response. Over 25 comments in less than 2 minutes when I posted my own.

    This makes me giddy
    No - No - No - No
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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Wow rand is getting massive organic positive response. Over 25 comments in less than 2 minutes when I posted my own.

    This makes me giddy
    LOL. My favorite comment so far.





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    If Trump decides to run again, we need to push hard to dump Pence and support Rand Paul for VP. He should have been Trump's VP. That would have been an awesome balanced combo.

    CALL - this from Ken Cuccinelli If you really want Ryancare dead, make the calls.

    "STOP RYANCARE
    Please urge these Republicans to oppose RyanCare, which fails to repeal Obamacare. Urge them to pass a clean repeal bill like they did in 2015 before the last election."

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    Jim Banks (R-IN) – (202) 225-4436
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Default "SHOTS FIRED!" Rand/Breitbart/Bannon Alliance: Let's Smash Paul Ryan's Obamacare-Lite

    Can't wait for the Anti-Trumpers to tell me how Rand writing an amazing piece on Obamacare-Lite using Breitbart (the Bannon "Nationalist" Platform) is hurting the Liberty Movement.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-smithereens/

    Look, I’m a “glass is half full” kind of guy. You have to be. I try to stay positive. I try to keep thinking maybe, maybe someday CONGRESS will remember the vision of our Founding Fathers … and that those we elect will represent us, not the special interests.
    But Washington politicians are so far gone that the Constitution is not even an afterthought, and their master seems to be whatever industry funds them.

    It doesn’t have to be this way. We just had an election about change, about draining the swamp. President Trump promised to be different, and I believe he sincerely wants to be. But he is being taken for a ride through the swamp right now on “Obamacare Lite.”

    For four STRAIGHT elections, REPUBLICANS ran on repealing Obamacare, and now “Republican orthodoxy” — I’m told — is keeping insurance subsidies, mandates, taxes, and insurance company bailouts.

    That’s not acceptable to me. And it isn’t keeping our promise.

    Though I want to believe the glass is half full, I am tempted, very tempted, to smash a glass half full of Obamacare Lite — smash that glass to smithereens!

    When did Republicans begin to believe that insurance companies should be put on the dole? That they should be bailed out when any of their customers become sick?

    When did Republicans begin to believe that the federal government should force you to pay a penalty to a private insurance company if you can’t afford insurance?

    When did Republicans begin to believe that we should levy a special tax penalty on those who choose to buy really good health insurance?

    The current Ryan Plan — “Obamacare Lite” — is not about patients. It isn’t about better health care. It isn’t about lowering costs.

    It is, plain and simple, about getting more money to the insurance companies and running more of your life from Washington.


    I am a career physician. I spent years training and learning to be a doctor. I did it for patients. I don’t give a flip about guaranteeing the profits of insurance companies. And as a Senator, I shouldn’t, either.

    But in Washington, somehow, the whole debate seems to be about getting people insurance instead of getting people health care.

    Insurance doesn’t equate to health care. Just ask all the Obamacare recipients with $6,000 deductibles.

    I’m sick of the insurance companies putting me on hold and telling me to talk to their representative in a foreign country. Screw that.

    I’m sick of the government telling me I have to buy their crappy product, and I’m sick of watching us go into more and more debt to do it.

    We need a new way, and Obamacare Lite isn’t it.

    I want the consumer (aka patient) to be king. I want to empower the patient to get the health care they want at the price they want.

    I want to let every American be able to join a co-op to buy their health care. When that happens, the buying power returns to the patients.

    Instead of patients having to kiss the boots of insurance company executives, my plan would have insurance executives come on bended knee to the patient.

    The patient would be king.


    The patient, as part of a large buying group, would be able to negotiate lower prices and a policy where you can’t be dropped or ripped off if you become sick. The patient would be able to purchase exactly the type of coverage that suited her needs, without government mandates telling her what she must buy.

    ObamaCare forced every American to purchase a policy that included Pediatric Dental, whether you had children under eighteen or not. Is that freedom of choice? Why should you have to pay for something you cannot use? Good for the insurance industry, but bad for patients.

    As a physician and as a patient, I hate Obamacare. Obamacare jacked up insurance rates and created insurance monopolies.

    But the answer is not replacing the government mandate with an insurance mandate, which is exactly what Obamacare Lite does.

    I don’t feel any less manipulated by being forced to pay the insurance company a penalty instead of the government.

    I want the patient to be king. If you want to disrupt the apple cart, if you want to take away the monopoly power of insurance companies, do one thing — allow every individual in America to join a co-op, to join a buying group, to join an association health plan.

    The insurance CEOs hate the idea — which should be enough to tell you it might just empower the patient.

    So if you hated Obamacare and don’t care much for Ryan’s Obamacare Lite, maybe you ought to consider telling them all to take a hike and give you the option of joining a co-op. Give you the option of buying across state lines. Give you the option of having a YUGE Health Savings Account so you can spend your money how you want. I challenge the media to compare the price of LASIK surgery, contact lenses, and orthodontics in the last twenty years — prices come down when patients make decisions about what they are buying.

    While I am a “glass is half full” kind of guy, I also would love to give the middle finger to the man that profits off of government bailouts and forces his or her monopoly Brand of insurance schemes on an often worried and defenseless public.

    Just say no to Obamacare, to Obamacare Lite, and to any scheme to enrich the insurance cartel.
    Read the comments and tell me we are not winning.
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    They're coming around?

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    President Trump should call for a special session of Congress to keep it in session until it finally repeals Obamacare.


    Tell Congress to repeal Obamacare!

    https://senateconservatives.rallycon...epealobamacare

    http://www.nationalcouncilforfreedom...aspx?pid=sb04a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Exclusive — Rand Paul: Let’s ‘Smash’ Paul Ryan’s Obamacare Lite ‘to Smithereens’
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-smithereens/

    by SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY)15 Mar 2017

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-smithereens/

    (It's racking up comments a mile a minute!)
    (At the top of the front page right now @ 2PM)
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    yes, let's.

    Tuned in to some red team talk radio today. The host was interviewing somebody who was trying to defend Ryancare, especially this BS phased approach. Talk about your excuses.

    Callers would have none of it, and it was good to hear.

    Every time somebody said we should be passing a free market solution, the guy would agree and point to Obamacare, and then justify Obamacare lite. The caller was of course objecting to the Ryan plan, but the guest just spun spun spun.
    The bigger government gets, the smaller I wish it was.

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    Now that's the kind of rhetoric we need from the good guys. Let's win this!
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    This is the Rand people love, that esp. conservatives love! The Rand on Fire.
    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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    Rand is specifically using "Art of the Deal" tactics to promote negotiating for a full repeal and better replacement.

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/842167184772239360 (?! Can't get tweet to embed- photo of Rand in tux w/Trump quote)

    03/15/2017
    Dressed in a tux and equipped with copies of “The Art of the Deal,” Paul said he and the House Freedom Caucus are fighting for a clean repeal with a separate bill featuring the replacement language. Paul applauded the White House for being open to negotiations, adding conservatives want to strike a compromise as well — but feel that will only happen if leadership is short on votes.

    “You know, we’ve had a good meeting tonight with the Freedom Caucus, I brought copies of “The Art of the Deal” because I think we are in a pre-negotiation stage,” he said. “What I mean by that is that if that House bill continues to rumble through,and if there are enough votes there will not be meaningful negotiation.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/15/ra...e-repeal-bill/
    Last edited by Valli6; 03-15-2017 at 11:01 PM.

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    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/842167184772239360

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    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...misleading-him

    Ryan: Rand Paul 'insulting' Trump by suggesting GOP is misleading him

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    Why did he have to start the article with the word, "look"? Makes me not want to read the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Why did he have to start the article with the word, "look"? Makes me not want to read the rest.
    Look, the interesting thing is, is that that's his style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulGeorge&Ringo View Post
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...misleading-him

    Ryan: Rand Paul 'insulting' Trump by suggesting GOP is misleading him
    They are sucking each other in the comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Why did he have to start the article with the word, "look"? Makes me not want to read the rest.
    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Look, the interesting thing is, is that that's his style.
    Look, he is an eye doctor. Telling people to look is probably 2nd nature to him by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Look, he is an eye doctor. Telling people to look is probably 2nd nature to him by now.
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to specsaregood again."

    Very good point.

    Do you think he really wrote it though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulGeorge&Ringo View Post
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...misleading-him

    Ryan: Rand Paul 'insulting' Trump by suggesting GOP is misleading him
    Ryan sounds incoherrent and even says that Rand is "puzzling" in his remarks to Trump (video at link)- LOL

    Paul Ryan accuses Rand Paul of 'insulting remark to the president'
    House Speaker Paul Ryan on Wednesday accused Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul of making "an insulting remark to the president"
    over the American Health Care Act's rollout this month.

    Earlier Wednesday, Paul, a Republican, told CNN that Ryan, also a Republican, was
    selling Trump "a bill of goods that he didn't explain to the president that the grassroots doesn't want.
    "http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pa...rticle/2617494

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    I don't get the signifigance of Rand wearing a tuxedo for this meeting.
    Is that something some motivational speakers are known to do? Anyone know?

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    https://twitter.com/ericawerner/stat...12272328802304

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    Gotta love how Randal plays the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    I don't get the signifigance of Rand wearing a tuxedo for this meeting.
    Is that something some motivational speakers are known to do? Anyone know?
    Showmanship?

    "Tonight, watch in amazement as I make Obamacare disappear!"

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    Love it.

    Last edited by georgiaboy; 03-16-2017 at 08:55 PM.
    The bigger government gets, the smaller I wish it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/842167184772239360
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CPUd again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Wow Rand is truly on another level.

    But seriously though, don't think repeal will never happen. If Ryan gives the conservatives repeal, then that makes him seem weak grabbing his ankles for a 40 member caucus.

    Ryan has modified a little bit but nowhere near close enough to satisfy The Randall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    If Ryan gives the conservatives repeal, then that makes him seem weak grabbing his ankles for a 40 member caucus.
    Although it's not usually for a 40 member caucus, weak ankle grabbing is Ryan's specialty. It's how he got to be Speaker.

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