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    And now for your reading edification as Freemen... This came in the mail.



    "Son of ObamaCare" Bill Must be Amended to Eliminate Anti-Gun Aspects



    Click on the Take Action button to tell your congressman, Rep. Alex Mooney (R), about the grave Second Amendment concerns with the "Son of ObamaCare" legislation which is currently being advanced on Capitol Hill.



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    Urge Your Representative to Oppose Any Gun Control in the ObamaCare Fix
    Dear Andrew:
    No doubt, you have heard the recent debates over dismantling the anti-gun ObamaCare law.
    For six years now, congressional Republicans have campaigned on the promise that they would repeal ObamaCare on the first day that the GOP controlled Congress and the White House.

    And they have been richly rewarded for making that promise.
    Well, the GOP now controls both Congress and the White House.
    They have for almost 50 days.
    But "ObamaCare repeal" seems to have devolved into a civil war in which GOP conservatives Mike Lee, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have now accused the Republican leadership of proposing "ObamaCare Lite" or "ObamaCare 2.0."
    We won't get in the middle of whether House Speaker Paul Ryan's "repeal and replace" bill is genuine conservative reform or RINO-backed socialism.
    But it is important to us that whatever bill passes be amended so that it does not become a dagger in the heart of the Second Amendment.
    And Ryan's current draft, which is still unnumbered, threatens to be such an anti-gun measure.
    These are our concerns:
    FIRST: The Ryan bill must be amended to prohibit the ATF or any government agency from sending millions of names to NICS -- because they have PTSD, ADHD, Alzheimer's, "anxiety," or because a guardian processes their payments.
    This is exactly what happened with Social Security recipients under the Obama administration.
    And, because of the Veterans Disarmament Act of 2007, there is no reason why, under "Son of ObamaCare," the ATF could not troll the federal health database, or the expanded Medicaid rolls, or the lists of recipients of new entitlement funds -- and send millions of names to the NICS gun ban list.
    Given that "Son of ObamaCare" mandates that Americans maintain "continuous" insurance -- or suffer a 30% government-mandated penalty -- it is doubly important that these lists not be used to take our guns away.




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    SECOND: Under a 2009 ObamaCare manager's amendment [42 U.S.C. 300gg-17(c)(4)] -- inserted as a result of GOA's urging -- an insurance company under ObamaCare is prohibited from denying insurance to gun owners and is prohibited from charging higher rates for gun owners.

    Had they been allowed to do this, "gun insurance" could have quickly become so prohibitively expensive that the Second Amendment would have been "insured" out of existence.
    But (c)(4) is only applicable to plans "issued pursuant to or in accordance with (ObamaCare)." Most of the insurance plans purchased under the "Son of ObamaCare" bill will not fall within that category.
    So now that "Son of ObamaCare" repeals many of the restrictions on insurance companies, it is critical that those companies continue to be prohibited from discriminating against gun owners -- and that prohibition needs to be unequivocal.
    Just as an insurance company cannot discriminate on the basis of race, it needs to be made clear that it cannot discriminate against Americans exercising their constitutionally-protected rights to keep and bear arms.

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    THIRD: Under a 2009 ObamaCare manager's amendment -- [42 U.S.C. 300gg-17(c)(1), (2), (3), and (5)] -- inserted as a result of GOA's urging -- doctors cannot be required to ask their patients about gun ownership and enter that information into a federal health database.
    Obviously, such a requirement would amount to a de facto national gun registry. But the language prohibits the creation of federal gun registries.
    Under "Son of ObamaCare," it is certainly theoretically possible for an administration to require queries concerning gun ownership as a condition, for example, of being eligible for tax credits.
    Anyone who thinks this is far-fetched should consider that one of Barack Obama's 23 anti-gun executive actions was specifically aimed at trying to pressure doctors to ask about gun ownership and to enter this information into an ATF-accessible federal health database.
    It needs to be made clear that doctors cannot be forced -- or perhaps even allowed -- to demand gun information and create such a registry.
    The bottom line is that many conservatives have serious problems with "Son of ObamaCare" because it keeps virtually all of the essential elements of the original: the mandate (now a 30% lapsed-insurance penalty), the subsidies (now a "refundable" tax credit that sends out checks to people with no tax liability), and the entitlements (now a "grandfathered" Medicaid expansion).
    For our part, we will definitely oppose the bill unless it is amended to remove the anti-gun aspects.
    So please urge your congressman, Rep. Alex Mooney (R), to support moves to remove the anti-gun aspects from the "Son of ObamaCare" bill.
    Sincerely,
    Tim Macy
    Chairman

    P.S. Please distribute this alert to your pro-gun family and friends and urge them to take action. To renew your GOA membership or to join for the first time, please click here.


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    I don't have much faith in the republicans as stewards of our liberty. Let's hope that the few good ones there are raising enough hell to keep this "replacement" from becoming a carefully worded replica.
    Last edited by Origanalist; 03-12-2017 at 10:55 PM.
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    The Fed is NOT safe from audit, Trump has said he wants to audit the fed and we may have some bills coming up soon.

    Trump is helping Rand pass his healthcare plan, if you think Trump actually supported RyanCare then you are foolish and you need to go read the threads where I addressed this topic. Rand was talking to Trump 2-3 times a week, and Rand told Trump straight up it wasn't going to pass, it didn't have the votes. Trump knew it wasn't going to pass, so he supported it to make sure it was all Paul Ryan's failure and none of it could be blamed on him. Trump hates Paul Ryan.

    Trump is going to help save Syria, with Russia's help.
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    It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

    Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

    Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I don't have much faith in the republicans as stewards of our liberty. Let's hope that the few good one there are raise enough hell to keep this "replacement" from becoming a carefully worded replica.
    Yeah. One of the more disturbing aspects of Trump's election is all the talk I've witnessed about how the party is "fixed" as they sing...



    I don't think anything is fixed there. I think they are waiting for the first opportunity to get the express train to hell back on the rails. They were so close, and then Trump...
    "And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends, stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint when most I play a devil." -Shakespeare

    “We know that concessions of privileges are but titles of servitude.”

    "Giving alms to common beggars is naturally praised; because it seems
    to carry relief to the distressed and indigent: but when we observe the encouragement thence arising to idleness and debauchery, we regard that species of charity rather as a weakness than a virtue." -Hume

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    HE ALREADY SIGNED INCREASED FUNDING FOR THE POLICE STATE

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2017...ecutive-orders
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    KEEP YOUR HEADS DOWN AND VOTE HARDER!
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
    My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RPEphesians 6:12 (KJV)For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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    Why get outraged over just one aspect of the bill? Throw the whole thing in the $#@!can. Repeal it. Period.

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    Would I be far off by speculating that the NRA is busily working to preserve every onerous provision in RyanCare?

    GOA > NRA
    "Even an establishment Republican like Jerry Moran is far more libertarian you are." Traditional Conservative

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    HE ALREADY SIGNED INCREASED FUNDING FOR THE POLICE STATE

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2017...ecutive-orders
    Authoritarianism and neoconservatism cannot be made great again.
    Trump was an enemy of Ron Paul, before he was an enemy of Rand Paul, before he was an enemy of the Freedom Caucus.
    One thing that he has remained consistent in is his hate of liberty and those who promote it.






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