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    Gabbard's Stop Arming Terrorists Act Introduced in Senate

    March 10, 2017

    Washington, DC—Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s Stop Arming Terrorists Act has been introduced in the U.S. Senate by Senator Rand Paul. The bipartisan legislation (H.R.608 and S.532) would prohibit any Federal agency from using taxpayer dollars to provide weapons, cash, intelligence, or any support to al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist groups, and it will prohibit the government from funneling money and weapons through other countries who are directly or indirectly supporting terrorists.

    The legislation is currently cosponsored by Reps. John Conyers (D-MI), Scott Perry (R-PA), Peter Welch (D-VT), Tom Garrett (R-VA), Thomas Massie (R-KY), Barbara Lee (D-CA), Walter Jones (R-NC), Ted Yoho (R-FL), and Paul Gosar (R-AZ), and endorsed by Progressive Democrats of America (PDA), Veterans for Peace, and the U.S. Peace Council.

    “For years, the U.S. government has been supporting armed militant groups working directly with and often under the command of terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government. Rather than spending trillions of dollars on regime change wars in the Middle East, we should be focused on defeating terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda, and using our resources to invest in rebuilding our communities here at home,” said Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. “The fact that American taxpayer dollars are being used to strengthen the very terrorist groups we should be focused on defeating should alarm every Member of Congress and every American. We call on our colleagues and the Administration to join us in passing this legislation.”

    “One of the unintended consequences of nation-building and open-ended intervention is American funds and weapons benefiting those who hate us,” said Dr. Rand Paul. “This legislation will strengthen our foreign policy, enhance our national security, and safeguard our resources.”

    Background: The Stop Arming Terrorists Act prohibits U.S. government funds from being used to support al-Qaeda, ISIS or other terrorist groups. In the same way that Congress passed the Boland Amendment to prohibit the funding and support to CIA backed-Nicaraguan Contras during the 1980’s, this bill would stop CIA or other Federal government activities in places like Syria by ensuring U.S. funds are not used to support al-Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, ISIS, or other terrorist groups working with them. It would also prohibit the Federal government from funding assistance to countries that are directly or indirectly supporting those terrorist groups. The bill achieves this by:

    • Making it illegal for any U.S. Federal government funds to be used to provide assistance covered in this bill to terrorists. The assistance covered includes weapons, munitions, weapons platforms, intelligence, logistics, training, and cash.
    • Making it illegal for the U.S. government to provide assistance covered in the bill to any nation that has given or continues to give such assistance to terrorists.
    • Requiring the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to determine the individual and groups that should be considered terrorists, for the purposes of this bill, by determining: (a) the individuals and groups that are associated with, affiliated with, adherents to or cooperating with al-Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, or ISIS; (b) the countries that are providing assistance covered in this bill to those individuals or groups.
    • Requiring the DNI to review and update the list of countries and groups to which assistance is prohibited every six months, in consultation with the House Foreign Affairs and Armed Services Committees, as well as the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
    • Requiring the DNI to brief Congress on the determinations.
    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press...roduced-senate



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    Bipartisan is so beautiful when it's done right.
    We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds — in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country, a country that cannot, without betraying ingratitude, abandon us today to so unequal a combat.

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    isn't it already illegal to send money/arms to terrorists?

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    What are the penalties for any government agent found to be conducting this illegal activity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Can anyone tell me why Trump isn't using his power to push this bill and running negative ads against people who aren't advocating for it like he is for TrumpCare??
    Well, it took Rand a couple of months to get on board, its only fair to give Trump the same 2 months to come out in support of it. Also the funding of "moderate" rebel phase is over. Now it is the arming kurds and using US soldiers to assist them phase which I think Rand would support. Seeing as he is so gung ho on stealing Syrian land for his new foreign friends.
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    "Rand Paul teaming up with Tulsi Gabbard is a natural alliance for the two non-interventionists. The Kentucky Senator has argued against arming terrorists in the past and made it a key part of his foreign policy platform when he ran for President. ... The bi-partisan support behind the Stop Arming Terrorists Act will get it much further than previous attempts. Combine that with increased Democratic opposition to war, now that a Republican is President again, and it’s possible that this legislation could actually pass. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Can anyone tell me why Trump isn't using his power to push this bill and running negative ads against people who aren't advocating for it like he is for TrumpCare??
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    Hoping for the best.
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    We can all urge our representatives to support this legislation.

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    Default Rand Paul Introduces Tulsi Gabbard's Stop Arming Terrorist Bill



    By Activist Post
    This week, U.S. Senator Rand Paul introduced the Stop Arming Terrorists Act (S. 532) to prevent American taxpayers’ money from being used to directly or indirectly support armed militants who are allied with or often working under the command of al-Qaeda, ISIS, or other terrorist groups. The legislation serves as a companion bill to H.R. 608, which Representative Tulsi Gabbard (HI-2) reintroduced in January.

    “One of the unintended consequences of nation-building and open-ended intervention is American funds and weapons benefiting those who hate us,” said Dr. Paul. “This legislation will strengthen our foreign policy, enhance our national security, and safeguard our resources.”

    “For years, the U.S. government has been supporting armed militant groups working directly with and often under the command of terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government. Rather than spending trillions of dollars on regime change wars in the Middle East, we should be focused on defeating terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda, and using our resources to invest in rebuilding our communities here at home,” said Rep. Gabbard. “The fact that American taxpayer dollars are being used to strengthen the very terrorist groups we should be focused on defeating should alarm every Member of Congress and every American. We call on our colleagues and the Administration to join us in passing this legislation.”

    You can read S. 532, the Stop Arming Terrorists Act, HERE, and you can find more information below:

    S. 532, the Stop Arming Terrorists Act:
    • Makes it illegal for any U.S. federal government funds to be used to provide assistance covered in the bill, including weapons, munitions, weapons platforms, intelligence, logistics, training, and cash, to terrorists.


    • Prohibits the U.S. government from providing such assistance covered in the bill to any nation that has given or continues to give such support to terrorists.


    • Instructs the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to determine the individuals and groups that should be considered terrorists, for the purposes of this bill, by determining: (a) the individuals and groups that are associated with, affiliated with, adherents to, or cooperating with al-Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, or ISIS; (b) the countries that are providing assistance covered in this bill to those individuals or groups.


    • Anticipates changing conditions by requiring the DNI to work with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Armed Services Committee, and Select Committee on Intelligence to review and update the list of prohibited countries and groups every six months.


    • Provides for accountability and transparency by requiring the DNI to brief Congress on its determinations.


    Source: Rand Paul press release

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    The larger problem is the non-terrorist groups who accept support and then channel it to more extreme groups. For the purposes of this bill that may be considered 'associated with' but it doesn't necessarily have to be an official association. I don't think that support has been directly given to the Islamic State, for example, in Syria, but if you're training and arming the Free Syrian Army despite the fact that (made up numbers follow), say, 20% of their fighters leave the organization to join the Islamic State then you are supporting Daesh whether or not it's direct support.

    Some of the more moderate groups merged with extremist groups and took all of their toys with them. That's a bit harder to predict, but my guess would be that someone on the ground was aware of the potential before it happened.


    In summary, I think it's not enough to just consider the group itself as being on or off the list.
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    Next step - stop laundering money for terrorists - lobbied heavily by the likes of HSBC and Citybank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Bipartisan is so beautiful when it's done right.
    Amen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    What are the penalties for any government agent found to be conducting this illegal activity?
    Usually promotion of government position or a high six figure lobbyist position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Rand would support. Seeing as he is so gung ho on stealing Syrian land for his new foreign friends.


    This is a false statement. Rand supports Kurdish state in Iraq, not in Syria.

    You should immediately retract this lie and apologize to Rand and to this forum for posting disinformation.

    If you fail to do so, you will have exposed yourself as a lying sack of $#@! who hates the Pauls, hates liberty, and hates America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulGeorge&Ringo View Post
    This is a false statement. Rand supports Kurdish state in Iraq, not in Syria.

    You should immediately retract this lie and apologize to Rand and to this forum for posting disinformation.

    If you fail to do so, you will have exposed yourself as a lying sack of $#@! who hates the Pauls, hates liberty, and hates America.
    Not going to retract anything. Rand has been on the record so many times about his desire to steal Syria and Iraqi land for the Kurds. I am sure he would also like to take Turkish land too but they haven't been destabilized enough by the Americans for that goal to be workable.

    When it comes to intervention for the benefit of the Kurds, he is just as bad as the rest of them. I will not back down until he stops advocating for those policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulGeorge&Ringo View Post
    This is a false statement. Rand supports Kurdish state in Iraq, not in Syria.

    You should immediately retract this lie and apologize to Rand and to this forum for posting disinformation.

    If you fail to do so, you will have exposed yourself as a lying sack of $#@! who hates the Pauls, hates liberty, and hates America.
    I demand you stop posting in this forum, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Not going to retract anything. .
    Thank you for confirming that you are a dishonest piece of sh1t who hates liberty.


    Rand has been on the record so many times about his desire to steal Syria
    Yet you can't provide a cite for your claim. Because you can't. Because there isn't any. Because you are a liar with no integrity. You truly are a piece of sh1t.

    Maybe you should find an anti-Paul forum to post your lies and bullsh1t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Not going to retract anything. Rand has been on the record so many times about his desire to steal Syria and Iraqi land for the Kurds. I am sure he would also like to take Turkish land too but they haven't been destabilized enough by the Americans for that goal to be workable.

    When it comes to intervention for the benefit of the Kurds, he is just as bad as the rest of them. I will not back down until he stops advocating for those policies.
    You sir, are no lover of liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    I demand you stop posting in this forum, sir.
    On what grounds? Because I call out people who lie and slander Sen. Paul?

    Are you an anti-Paul person?

    Do you support these lies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulGeorge&Ringo View Post
    On what grounds? Because I call out people who lie and slander Sen. Paul?

    Are you an anti-Paul person?

    Do you support these lies?
    You sir, are no lover of liberty.
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    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

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